Subject: Fingerprints of the God. A Review Date: 2 Mar 1996 07:11:01 GMT From: heinrichOrganization: Myself Only Newsgroups: talk.origins,sci.skeptic In message <0000204f+00003742@msn.com> on March 1, 1996 Paparazzi@msn.com (Leslie Smith) wrote; >An interesting book called Fingerprints of the Gods by >Graham Hancock covers some new area on this subject, and >does it with convincing argument. Basically it claims a great The arguments are convincing only as long as a person does cross-check any the facts and science behind many of the claims the _The Fingerprints of Gods_ (FOG) makes. In terms of the areas with which I am familiar, geology and Mesoamerican archaeology, this book show an appauling lack of knowledge and a definite lack of any serious review of the applicable literature. Judging just from the subjects with which I am familiar, geology and mesoamerican archaeology, the _Fingerprint of the Gods_ (FOG) = is very poorly researched. In terms of the geology, I found that FOG ignores any recent research (hundreds of papers) that contradict the thesis of FOG, naively accepts any creationist and catastrophist folklore as fact that supports the thesis of FOG , and misrepresents geological facts for its own means. Similar problems exist with the parts of the book concerning mesoamerican archaeology and, presumably, with the material with which I am not familiar. An example of the sloppy scholarship in _The Fingerprints of the Gods_ (FOG), which allows it to ignore contrary data, is on pages 148-149 of that book. On page 148 of FOG which was copyrighted in 1995, it is stated, "...we were just beginning to make headway with the deciphering of their intricate hieroglyphics." Also on page 149, FOG states that "What was being said here? No one knew for sure because the inscriptions, a mixture of word pictures and phonetic symbols, had not yet been fulley decoded." A quick look at either _Breaking the Maya Code_ by Micheal D. Coe (1992) and _A Forest of Kings_ by Linda Schele and David Freidel (1990) show that both statements are clearly incorrect as much as three years before FOG was written. As of 1992 and long before FOG was written, over 90 percent of the Mayan glyphs have been successfully translated. The inscriptions on stela and pyramids can be read to point that not only do we know when the Mayan pyramids were built, but even in many cases who had them built them. These incorrect statements by FOG claims about Mayan glyphs being mostly undeciphered provide a convenient wall of false ignorance behind which FOG can ignore what is currently known about their age and who built them. >civilisation existed some 15,000 years ago when a planetary >catastrophe (in this case, a dramatic shift in the earth's crust) As I cover in another post that was posted today, I note in some detail the overwhelming geological evidence and research that completely contradicts any possibility that a crustal shift took place 15,000 B.P. Two of the many problems with the crustal shift theory are; 1. Paleomagnetic and an other geologic data shows that Antartica has been at or the near the South Pole for the last 100 million years or so. This is a fact that can be determined by looking at a modern up to date undergraduate geology textbook. (A good example is _Historical Geology_ by Reed Wicander and James S. Monroe which was published in 1989, a full five years before FOG.) 2. There an abundance of evidence that demonstrates that directly show that the Antartica ice cap has been around for the last 2 million years or more, Ice core and other data from the Antarctica clearly show that it has been covered by an ice cap for the last 300,000 to 3 million or more years. For example ice cores recovered from the Antarctica clearly show that it has ice-covered for at least the last 160,000 years (Paterson and Hammer (1987); Lorius et al. (1985). Ongoing drilling operations by Russian geologists at their Vostok Station has recovered over 300,000 years worth of continuos ice core (anonymous 1995). References; Anonymous, 1995, In Brief. Geotimes. vol. 40, no. 12, p. 7. Lorius, C., and 6 others, 1985, A 150,000-year climatic record from Antarctic ice. Nature v. 316, p. 591-596. Paterson, W. S. B., and Hammer, C. U., 1987, Chapter 5; Ice core and other glaciologic data. in Ruddiman, W. F., and others (eds.) North America an Adjacent Oceans During the Last Deglaciation. The Geology of North America, Vol. K-3, Geological Society of America, Boulder, CO. Also, a talk.origins FAQ titled _ Ice-core Dating FAQ_ by Matt Brinkman can be obtained at: http://rumba.ics.uci.edu:8080/faqs/icecores.html In addition, abundant data demonstrate that permanent ice caps have existed within Antarctica for at least the past 14 million years. Cores and multichannel seismic data from the Ross Shelf and other Antarctic continental shelves show that Antarctica for this period of time had a permanent ice cap existed. Thus, unless this lost civilization consisted of a bunch of cities built under the Antarctic ice cap, it certainly was not on Antarctica. The only time during the last 14 million years when the ice cap may have been smaller than present was between circa 3 to 5 million years ago (Kennet and Hodell 1995, Mathews and Poore 1981). References; Kennet, J. P., and Hodell, D. A., 1995, Stability or Instability of Antarctic Ice Sheets During Warm Climates of the Pliocene? GSA Today. vol. 5, no. 1, p. 1, 10-13, and 22. Matthews, R. K., and Poore, R. Z., 1981 Tertiary delta018 record and glacio-eustatic sea level fluctuations. Geology. v. 8, p. 501-504. There is an absolute lack of evidence showing that Antarctica was experiencing either tropical or temperate climate either 12,000 years ago or even as far back as 2 million years ago. The plant fossils that show Antarctica had a temperate climate date as far back as 250 million years ago and, thus, are irrelevant to whether Antartica was ice-free 12,000 to 10,000 B.P. That is simple fact that FOG fails to understand. >forced survivors to flee and re-establish remnants of their >civilisation. They made contact with paleolithic tribes of >central america and the upper nile, to name but two. A tangible >link is then established as to why these two cultures, so far apart, Idle speculation unbacked by any real data. .......more archaeological fantasy omitted.... >The major world literary review papers have given this book >a good rap, the literary review says, 'Surely the most impressive >and scholarly piece of work on the subject ever produced... I >suspect this book will come to be regarded as one of the >intellectual landmarks of this decade...' Why is no citation given for this quote? It would be interesting to know the qualifications of the persons who said the above statement. I would suspect that the person who said this was neither a trained in geology nor archaeology, and thus was likely knew very little about what he/she was talking about. >It's a 530 page read, with an extensive bibliography, and some >pictures, even! But it will definitely challenge any contemporary >views you hold on the subjects of Atlantis, the pyramids, the >history of mankind and the subject of lost civilisations. To challenge contemporary views of geology and archaeology, FOG would have to present ideas that have crediable evdience behind them. The level of scholarship present by FOG would earn a student a quick "F", in any undergraduate geology course. If Mr. Hancock wants to be taken seriously he needs to spend the time in a library that it takes to learn something about the material about which he is writing. Finally, for another review of _The Fingerprints of the Gods_, see: Sprague de Camp, L., 1995 (July 6). Fantastic Archaeology. Nature, v.376, p.29-30. It is fun and fascinating reading and clearly explains why the _The Fingerprints of the Gods_ is not even good science fiction. Sincerely, Paul V. Heinrich (as a private citizen) heinrich@intersurf.com Baton Rouge, LA Earthquakes don't kill people. Overpasses and buildings kill people. -anonymous civil engineer All comments are the personal opinion of the writer and do not constitute policy and/or opinion of government or corporate entities. This includes my employer.