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______ _______ ____ ------ / / // ____// |---------------------------------------------- U K / / // ___/ / / ' August 19th, 1997 / / // / / / / N E T W O R K part 1 Issue 79 --- (_____//__/ -- (_____/------------------------------------------------ The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with subscribers in over 40 countries. This issue comes in 2 parts. In this issue: Index
Editorial
A question
United Kingdom News
[UK 1] John Velez - Questions & Answers interview
World News
[W 1] Study: UFO sightings were U.S. spy planes
A FEARFUL SYMMETRY by D. Lynne Bishop
Part 2
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[UK 1]****** On Saturday 2nd August 1997, the United Kingdom UFO Network were very
Below is a cleaned up log of the questions that John was asked along
CREDITS: We would like to thank Nesssus for arranging this meeting with John
*Nesssus* Firstly could we welcome you John and say how much we all
<Velez> Hello all. Very briefly then, my background is in human
<Velez> You've got me for two hours, lets start taking questions.?? *SeekeR* did ya see any aliens close up in the ufo, Velez? <Velez> Yes, I have several conscious memories (not derived thru
*Jorgen_* question: have the abductions been going on since you were
a
<Velez> Jorgen, yes, a lifetime of unexplained experiences and
*skygypsy* QUESTION: Do the aliens exhibit any emotion at all? <Velez> Yes! Affection of all things, but only on one occasion that
I
*pathFINDR* to velez--> at what age did you realise that something was
<Velez> My earliest recollection is at about age 4 or 5. I didn't
*pathFINDR* Do you have any children, do they have any strange
<Velez> two. My daughter is 25 and my son is 22. I'm also a grandad!
*Hideout* can you ask, how many types of aliens he has witnessed <Velez> Three different types, none of them 'human looking' such
as
*TopGun* please ask him: I read your NOVA interview. You said that you
<Velez> The "implant" is buried deep in the center of my head and
is
*Crew^* Do you recall seeing any furniture in the craft? <Velez> A chair that appears to be a part of the walls and floor,
(no
*Law* velez: and what your gov says about it? <Velez> the "government denies all knowledge as you well know.?? *Hideout* Does he feel there is any type of comunication or
<Velez> yes, always telepathic and occasionally 'empathic'?? *Ralf* John, tell us about the Phoenix Sightings (in short plz) <Velez> Yes, glad to. On March 13th of this year a single large (or
<Velez> the US air national guard claims that the sighting was
<Velez> We know that it's blatant BS because we have video taken
*Avenger* how did you find out that you had been abductd? <Velez> I read Budds, "Missing time" it changed my life
*grump* For John: "Hi from a friend of Errol and Sue and Tom and Lise
<Velez> Keerist, gotta be over a dozen times by now. <Velez> I've been having more sightings in the last two years than
*Jez_UFO* Scars, scoops and now an 'inoperable' implant. Why hav'nt
<Velez> Jez_UFO, CAT scans cost over $1200 american for a 'head
*ctropics* Question: Could you elaborate on the alien agenda/purpose
<Velez> 1. Purpose. As I said in an earlier response, no one knows
<Velez> 2.Due to the increase in reported sightings worldwide and
the
*UfatO* Could you please ask John. If the same craft was always used
<Velez> There have been different vehicles involved. <Velez> A small acorn shaped craft that only holds three, and larger
*forgiette* velez..hello..(1). do you think the beings (aliens), are
<Velez> 1. Don't know. I suppose it's possible given the 'human'
<Velez> 2. Again, who knows? Questions that invite speculation are
<Velez> 3. I can only remember bits and pieces of these experiences
on
*Nesssus* This question is from monkman who couldnt make it tonite:
<Velez> No, I haven't. Although if someone is leaking fluid from
the
*forgiette* velez ..do you think abductees are being cloned? <Velez> Possible but no one knows any of that for sure.?? *Gandalf1* question by me... have you or still being visitited by Men
<Velez> I have never seen MIB's and I already dicribed several craft
*raine* Have you got any idea why they have chosen to abduct you or
do
<Velez> I think it has to do with my blood line. they appear to be
*UfatO* some people claim that they have been taken to a much larger
<Velez> Yes, on two occasions.?? *pathFINDR* Do you ever remember seeing any egyptian glyphs during
<Velez> Yes to both. It wasn't egyptian looking. When I first saw
it
*forgiette* velez..what is your imput on alien/gov't abductions? <Velez> Dr Greer from CSETI claims that the govenment is reponsible
<Velez> Although it is possible that certain intelligence agencies
are
*ctropics* are out-of-body experiences, assuming they are real,
<Velez> No, not at all. In an OOBE you look back and see your body
in
*forgiette* velez do u have any info about the 13 or more logzeners
<Velez> Sorry no.?? *magus* one of the things that has been the topic in the Undernet ufo
<Velez> I think that an academic/scientific inquiry will shed much
<Velez> The problem is that few have been made and few are in the
*pathFINDR* .A series of straight and sometimes curved lines,
<Velez> you got me, what the hell are "Mayan Indices?" <G>?? *pathFINDR* used to record their history *pathFINDR* info only Mayan indices destroyed in major part by
*UfatO* John, did you at any time see other abductees while aboard the
<Velez> No. But many others do report that.?? *Gandalf1* q? from me... I have seen you on a documantary being
<Velez> Yes, he underwent regression at his own request. Yes,
*magus* and on a related note ... should we ever even consider
<Velez> No. Itell the truth in as unembellished a way as I can. It
is
*forgiette* velez..after your abduction, for several days, do u feel
<Velez> Yes. It sticks in your head and replays itself over and over
*Raine* John, is there any one particular place you seem to be or a
<Velez> No. Abductions can happen at just about anytime. The
<Velez> They have happened at home and outside as well.?? *rob* for john: How do you know you have an implant in your head if
<Velez> No. I remembered getting it. It was the only thing that I
*forgiette* velez...this could sound far fetch, but, is it possible
<Velez> I have no way to answer that question I'm sorry. *Avenger* "who did the Aliens treated you? do you see your abduction
<Velez> No not at all. I see it as something that they feel they
<Velez> It is our own xenophobia that causes us to be traumatized.?? *UfatO* Have you ever been given a look into the future by the
<Velez> I have been shown appocalyptic visions. Whether they are
*forgiette* velez..nobody has ever seen God, what is your opinion on
<Velez> God (in my belief system) is embodied in ALL THAT IS. And
not
*ctropics* thank you for your candid responses ..... Question: Have
<Velez> Again, I want to preface my response by saying that no one
<Velez> What I was party to was rescue missions involveing teams
of
*Raine* I have read that you were shown 7 hybrids and told that they
<Velez> No, although I feel a deep internal connection to them. They
*magus* considering ONLY abduction/contact experiences YOU have been
<Velez> *Magus* No, none that I can recall. The 'terror' was coming
*ChromeB* velez: do you think we were genetically engineered by
<Velez> In answer to the LAST question. yes and no. Again you ask
me
*Lloydy* Why do you think your abductees were male in gender? <Velez> I have never said anything of the kind. *Nesssus* Thank you very much for taking the time out to visit us John
*Gandalf1* I would like to thank Mr John Velez for taking the time to
*Raine* John please feel free to come again, maybe under less
<Velez> As for 'abductees' they are of all races, sexes,
Web sites:
[UK 2]****** Source: The Advertiser, Adelaide, South Australia
I met an alien says top RAF officer By Fiona Barton in London Military giants don't come much bigger than Air Marshall Sir Peter
A war hero who flew Mosquitoes against the Germans, he has held one
He has also, he claims, met a visitor from another galaxy. Sir Peter
With a steely gaze, he says; "We talked for hours about travelling
His extraordinary testimony in his autobiography, Sounds From
At his cottage in Hampshire he discusses the presence of alien
"I would say they come from another planet somewhere in the universe
His interest in UFOs began, he says, in 1952 while he was an equerry
"He was quite interested. His mind always open." Sir Peter started by interviewing people who had claimed to have seen
He says he was introduced to a General Martin who arranged for him to
And then he gave an account of space travel at the speed of light,
Sir Peter's interest in the paranormal stayed with him during his
But at the Ministry of Defence in Whitehall, jaws are dropping. As
[UK 3]****** From: duncan@life.com
Scottish Air Traffic Control track UFO Scotland in the United Kingdom is still experiencing UFO activity
Yet another UFO incident took place on Wednesday 16th April 1997,
Something had apparently attracted the attention of the pilot
EDN ATC: "...or somebody is flying out there at the moment...I'm
ZAP6A: "That's exactly it... It was at eight thousand feet... It'
EDN ATC: "Okay... That's understood... ZAP6A... A couple of
ZAP6A: "Ahhh... sounds funny I know... but it was just... white
EDN ATC: "Roger 6A... and you replies check with what I put in a
ZAP6A: "Yes, sounds like the same as we had... it was definitely
EDN ATC: "Roger." One thing is absolutely certain about this sighting. The UFO was
"...Scottish told us it was behind us... six o'clock at about four
uk.ufo.nw asks: Do any of our Scottish readers have further
[UK 4]****** Source: The People newspaper
Crop circle messages, A UFO kidnap and a Mum made pregnant! by grey
ET gives us a ring! By Robert Kellaway Crop circles could be messages left by aliens in a bid to contact
Experts believe the massive patterns are so complex they could not
Some flatterned crop stalks are completely undamaged with no sign of
Visitors have reported being overcome by energy surges and
Researcher Lucy Pringle has spent 10 years investigating reports
She says: "A few crop circles are definitely man made - hoaxes or
"I cannot explain where this energy comes from but I do believe we
Lucy, 52, of Petersfield, Hants, first experienced the healing
A shoulder injury meant every arm movement left her racked with
She said: "There is no way I could even lift my arm to brush my
"I came across a rather plain circle near Morestead in Hampshire. I
"When I left my injury was completely healed. "A freind with me at the time was suffering a cronic illness. I left
"She said she'd not been able to do that without discomfort for 15
One of the most striking images is the Torus Knot, the most complex
Lucy said: "To anyone interested in geometry this figure is one of
"You can see it would be impossible to execute without the aid of an
"This is a truly mysterious site." Another beautiful image is the Flower of Life - a central ring
But the most striking site for Lucy is a five-pointed star cut into
Lucy says: "When I visited this formation I immediately felt
"I had to leave as quick as possible." Her book The Sky Is Not The Limit is to be published next year. Riddle of book and The Men In Black A leading alien abduction expert claims time travel has been
Author Whitley Strieber says that he was such a pupil for three
And when the Texan, now 52, started writing a book about it, he
The teachers - known as The Sisters of Mercy because they looked
Whitley adds: "These seminars seemed to be about mankinds future,
Whitley's book is already out in America and he has received letters
He says: "The most intriguing letter cam from a 12 year old boy who
The schools are held in secret because of the problems related to
Whitley also wrote the alien abduction book Communion, which was
Adapted from The Secret School by Whitley Strieber (Simon &
Butchers from another world Aliens are being blamed for the slaughter of hundreds of animals in
Farmers in North Yorkshire are gripped with fear after a series of
In the latest, nine sheep were found with their stomachs ripped out
And deer were found with holes in their head and drained of blood in
Over a three year period, similar strange deaths have been reported
Former police sergeant Tony Dodd, now a UFO expert, says all the
"There have even been reports of the dead animals falling from the
"Without doubt, there is something very sinister going on." In America, UFO experts believe aliens caused the death of up to
Similar strange cases are still unexplained in the Scottish
Spacship abducted one man and his dog By Joe Brady Broadcaster Lawrence John has told for the first time how he and his
They were beamed onto a spacship during an astonishing close
Lawrence, 46, who runs his own radio station and two record shops,
Lawrence and his three year old bichon frise Lobo, were exploring
"We were suddenly enveloped in a blinding white light," said
"They were greyish, dullish and human in form. They appeared to be
"I asked if I was safe and one simulated my voice to reply that I
"The craft we were in was enormous. While on board I saw probably
Suddenly they were back at St Patrick's Chair and Well. He checked his car clock and estimated he had been on board for
Lawrence, of Belfast, said: "Lobo now often just sits at the window
He has had two other meetings with aliens at the same spot since
UFO expert Myles Johnston believes the spot is part of an energy
I had an alien's baby Mum of two Debbie Jordan had an out of this world experience - she
Then the sinister grey figures invaded her body again - to whisk
Since those first bizarre experiences they have repeatedly taken
This week Debbie travels from her remote US farmhouse in Indiana to
She will tell her remarkable story - authenticated by doctors and
Debbie was 18 when she was abducted one night in November while in
"A few months later I found I was pregnant. The doctor timed the
"It was weird - then things gott stranger still. Later when I went
"At first shrinks thought I had some buried trauma and treated me
"Others thought I was nuts. I had lie detector tests, barin scans
World News
[W 1]****** Source: CNN
Study: UFO sightings were U.S. spy planes WASHINGTON (AP) -- With growing hysteria over alleged UFO sightings
Historian Gerald K. Haines writes that the Air Force, responding to
"Over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s
The article was found Saturday on the Internet. Concern about the public finding out about the secret spy planes
"While perhaps justified, this deception added fuel to the later
Haines, a historian at the National Reconnaissance Office, based his
He described how the Air Force sought to deflect attention from the
The early U-2s were silver and reflected the sun's rays, especially
Air Force investigators "aware of the secret U-2 flights tried to
By 1956, the Air Force internally had clear explanations for 96
He also said the CIA, during the height of the Cold War, hid its
The director of space policy at the Washington-based Federation of
"The flying-saucer community is definitely onto something" in
Haines' study, "CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90," is
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C.I.A. Admits Government Lied About U.F.O. Sightings By WILLIAM J. BROAD The article is about a document which is authored by Gerald K. Haines
In the darkest days of the Cold War, the military lied to the
The deceptions were made in the 1950s and '60s amid a wave of UFO
The CIA study says the Air Force knew that most reports by citizens
Those planes were developed in the 1950s and '60s to photograph enemy
While commercial airliners in the 1950s flew at altitudes of up to
The planes carried powerful cameras to spy on foreign military
Rather than acknowledging the existence of the top-secret flights or
"Over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s
The study, "CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90," was written
Mr. Haines is a historian at the National Reconnaissance Office, the
The admission of Federal deception on the issue appears to be a
"It's very significant," said Richard Hall, chairman of the Fund for
John E. Pike, head of space policy at the Federation of American
"The flying-saucer community is definitely onto something," in
There are two schools of thought on the nature of such a cover-up.
The other school holds that the government has come into possession
The deceptions about the spy flights were issued in some of the
In 1960, a U-2 was shot down over the Soviet Union, leading to the
To make the spy planes harder to see and less likely to prompt UFO
The report added that "they often appeared as fiery objects to
But the SR-71, which first flew in 1964, was apparently painted black
[W 3]****** Tuesday, August 5, 1997 - 1:15 p.m. (EDT)
DoD [USA Department of Defence] News Briefing [edited section of meeting] Q: On the <UFO> study that the CIA did over the weekend, or it was
A: I've read the CIA study, and I have read what they said about the
Q: Were you at all aware of any misleading of the public that was
A: I was not aware of that. I will say that one interesting aspect of
Q: Do you think that applies to any programs that might be tested
A: First of all, we certainly have classified programs and we
[W 4]****** From: duncan@life.com
Chile announces UFOs are for real On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper 'La Cuarta' published the
Luis Sanchez, Chilean Director of Skywatch International said this
Sanchez said that the statement was due to the 'high quality' of an
On Monday, 31st March, 1997, at 12.55am, three UFOs were seen by
At about 3.00am, the objects "flew away at very high speed," heading
Airport director Julio Schettner said the UFOs hovered "at an
Schettner added, "In our tower, it was not possible to track them on
Schettner said "he had been doubtful about the existence of UFOs,
On Wednesday 2nd April 1997, the Direccion General de Aeronautica
In the capital, Santiago de Chile, a DGAC spokesman said, "Chile is
uk.ufo.nw asks: Do any of our Chilean readers have further
Visit UFO Magazines world wide web address address for full
http://www.ufomag.co.uk [W 5]****** Source: The Times newspaper
Fossil footprints open way to row on 'genetic Eve' >From Ian Brodie in Washington The oldest-known footprints of a modern human being, dating back
Very possibly female, the fossils could spark a scientific debate
"These footprints are from the earliest of anatomically modern
Unlike footprints unearthed in Tanzania, which were 3.6 million years
Mr Berger admitted it was highly unlikely that the actual "genetic
"Genetic Eve" is a hypothetical figure who lived in Africa between
The three footprints were discovered in rock along Langebaan lagoon,
The discovery team believe the woman was a lone figure, perhaps 5ft
The footprints are eight & a half inches long. The big toe, ball,
The discoveries provide evidence of anatomically modern human beings
Ochre pigment has been near the lagoon that are up to 125,000 years
Summing up his research, Mr Berger said: "An important message comes
[W 6]****** Source: Daily Mail newspaper
As men in black opens, a scientist tells us what aliens will really
from Daniel Jeffreys in New York Labrador-sized, four arms, a mouth in it's stomach, and one day
For the second year running, the big summer film blockbuster fuels
But is the reality rather more worrying? An increasing number of
They argue that we should prepare for a shock. When we run into life
Doctor Seth Shostak, one of the world's leading physicists and
He publishes this worrying analysis in his book Sharing The
Shustak, who is so confident that he has even described what the
He estimate that there are more than 1,000 planets in our galaxy
'There are 50 billion stars in the Milky Way similar to our sun,
More Americans believe alien landings have already taken place than
Books and films tend to depict aliens as either friendly, in which
In the first case they, come to educate us; in the second they come
'Our initial contact will most likely be with some sort of
The City institute is not a group of `UFO fanatics. It used to
be
This private sector fortune has allowed SETI to keep its massive
'We know the nearest extraterrestrial intelligent life is a long way
Experts say that it would take more than 100 years to reach the
No Star Trek fiction here. The Enterprise craft travels at the speed
'Thats why an intelligent machine representing the alien culture is
'It will be programmed to expect an encounter with another
Imagine how we would react if an alien box of tricks suddenly turned
'It will be a testing time,' says Shustak. 'Some people will want it
'There's also the chance that contacts with a civilisation much more
Collapse might be especially likely if the aliens were no bigger
Using a mix of laws from physics, astronomy and biochemistry he
has
'There's no reason to suppose insects or reptiles failed to develop
Shustak and his SETI colleagues also agree the aliens are likely to
'We have our hearing and sight near the brain for a reason, it
As would more than two arms. The aliens will definitely have some
'We think Earth's gravity is unusual, 'says Shustak. 'Most alien
Shustak thinks we will probably be surprised by the aliens
One alien life form we can probably rule out is giants. Even with
The most chilling aspect of Shustaks research is his claim that
Take a look at what mankind has done to less intelligent species and
Either way, it Shustak is right, our chances of staying free and
Sharing The Universe will be published by Victor Gollancz at 8
[A FEARFUL SYMMETRY - part 2] United Kingdom UFO Network would like to thank Lynne Bishop and
Readers may like to visit the web sites of both Lynne and Bookfinder
http://geocities.datacellar.net/Athens/3862/
All parts of this serialisation previous to the current segment can
--- A FEARFUL SYMMETRY A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES By D. Lynne Bishop A FEARFUL SYMMETRY Copyright 1995 by D. Lynne Bishop All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced,
First Printing September 1995 Printed in the United States of America BOOKFINDER PUBLISHING --- CHAPTER TWO The event which led to my discovery of something bizarre in my life
After two hours of driving time, we approached a small town located
I groggily "came to" just seconds later, or so I thought. Mother was
You can imagine our agitation as the situation slowly dawned on us.
Completely baffled and perplexed, as well as thoroughly shaken by the
Upon arriving home, we discovered that a trip normally requiring
As I sat across from John Carpenter on April 25, 1992, the enormity
Prior to the actual induction of hypnosis, we relaxed with a
John also questioned whether I had ever seen anything I couldn't
"What about dreams?", John then asked. For the first time that
"Well, I've had two dreams of different kinds of aliens. The first
"In the first 'dream,' I'm at the residence where all of us lived as
"When I see this, I go rushing out the door. The craft is not very
"Suddenly, it starts moving back toward me, and I panic, thinking
"All at once, these creatures are inside the house--and although this
John then asked about the second dream I'd recalled. While this
"In this dream, I'm at the same residence. I'm out in the front yard,
"Then there's a horrible 'roaring' sound from the direction of the
As the preliminary interview drew to a close, John asked the question
HYPNOSIS SESSIONS
Although the hypnosis sessions were conducted independently, they
Lynne: I've got on blue jeans. It's a white car with a red interior. Frances: It was not my favorite car. I thought it looked boxy. John: . . . and you're going down the hill, and you can see your
Lynne: Well, I can see a car . . . it only has a driver in it. There
Frances: I see a car . . . I don't know if I thought he'd hit me, or
John: And what do you do, as you notice the car? Feel the car, and
Lynne: (At this point, I broke out of hypnosis. I opened my eyes and
John: (Calming the subject) . . . Relax, just relax . . . (Re-induced
Lynne: (Nervous laughter) . . . The car . . . went forward . . . and
Frances: . . . The car . . . moving so fast . . . I moved so fast! John: . . . and if you were to look at your mother right now, what is
Lynne: She's . . . not doing anything . . . just sitting there. I can
Frances: . . . The car was moving so fast, I couldn't control it . .
Lynne: I don't really hear any talking. Frances: I don't . . . I don't hear anything. John: . . . Notice what happens next . . . if anything changes . . . Lynne: Um, it's kind of an odd thing. I can kinda . . . for some
Frances: I'm standing. John: Do you see your car at this point? Lynne: Uhhh . . . (Nervous laugh) . . . I don't really see the car. Frances: No. John: Notice, as you're standing there . . . look and see if you can
Lynne: It's a solid floor of some kind, just kinda gray. There's a
Frances: It's in a . . . like a circle. Silvery . . . I see a door . John: . . . Now that you're seeing more, you can really tune it in .
Lynne: I get a feeling of movement . . . the focal point seems to be
Frances: I don't see (my daughter) yet. (Pause) . . . Um, a figure .
John: Okay, and now you can . . . If it's hard to look at, you can
Lynne: . . . Clothed in silver, no defining line at the waist,
Frances: . . . Two arms, two legs . . . (Laugh) . . . Uh, they don't
John: Okay, watch and see how the scene changes. What is it that you
Lynne: I see Mom again. There's a scene shift . . . a different
Frances: (My daughter's) here, behind me. We're in this room
John: All right. Move forward in time to a point where you see
Lynne: Hmm . . . I see us standing on grass! That's the first color
Frances: We're out . . . back on the ground. John: I wonder how you got to the grass? Move back just one step in
Lynne: I had a feeling of movement at a diagonal . . . like an
Frances: It's like that thing was open . . . like a porthole . . . an
John: Moving ahead in time, how does that image change? Lynne: I see the car on the side of the road, not very far away . .
.
Frances: The bottom closes up, and then I'm in the car. The craft is
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