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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 40 countries.
 

In this issue:

Stop Press
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Matthew Williams and Stanton T. Friedman

Editorial
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Dan Sherman - Real Audio interview

United Kingdom News
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[UK 1] Michael Lindemann on the UK-UFO-NW IRC #UFO Channel
[UK 2] Sights set on UFO awareness agenda (Solihull)
[UK 3] UFO swoops on lorry driver (Burton on Trent, Staffs)

World News
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[W 1] Seven new asteroids could threaten Earth
[W 2] Stealth jet crashes during air show near Baltimore
[W 3] Pat Robertson says kill all UFO believers
[W 4] A remarkable gaffe

A FEARFUL SYMMETRY by D. Lynne Bishop
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Part 4

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Stop Press
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Following on from our  interview of  Michael Lindemann of CNI News
(see below) on the UK.UFO.NW irc channel we would like to announce
the following.

Saturday 27th September - Matthew Williams (UK ufologist)
Saturday 4th October - Stanton T. Friedman (Canadian ufologist)

Full details of  guests, dates and irc joining instructions have
been sent to subscribers in a recent separate mail. However if you
would like a copy of the mail please send to:ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk
With: REQUEST GUEST INFO - in the subject line.
 

Editorial
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Dan Sherman - Real Audio interview

Readers will remember the very interesting article in the last issue
{80} of the e-zine regarding Dan Sherman. This week we received the
below mail from Dan:

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To:               <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Subject:          Project Preserve Destiny
Date sent:        Wed, 17 Sep 1997

Thanks so much for your positive words.  I just came across your
document.  I'm not even sure what it is, but I'd like to be on your
mailing list if I could.  You may want to let your readers know
where they can get my book.  It's at the below listed webpage.

Again, thanks for the positive words and staying on top of "the
latest" in good info.

I may be doing Art Bell soon.  Stay tuned!

Regards...
Dan Sherman

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We have asked Dan if he would be willing to do an IRC interview with
us. We'll hopefully have his answer next issue. We would like to
remind you of where you can get hold of the Real Audio interview
when Dan was recently interviewed on Jeff Rense's 'Sightings On The
Radio' show in the USA. We highly recommend that you listen to this.

To do this you will need the ever-popular Real Audio player. This is
a free download from:
http://www.realaudio.com/
http://www.real.co.uk/

To listen to the interview in real time while on-line point your web
browser at:
http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9708/end0806.ram

If you wish to download the files for later playback, they can be
obtained from:
http://www.ukonline.co.uk/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt1.ra
http://www.ukonline.co.uk/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt2.ra
http://www.ukonline.co.uk/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt3.ra
http://www.ukonline.co.uk/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt4.ra

dan_pt1.ra - 2.155kb
dan_pt2.ra - 1.948kb
dan_pt3.ra - 1.856kb
dan_pt4.ra - 1.165kb

Details of Dan's book "ABOVE BLACK - Project Preserve Destiny,
Insider Account of Alien Contact and Government Cover-Up" can be
obtained from his web site at: http://www.earthworld.com/ppd

Back issues of the e-zine can be downloaded from:
http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk
 

[UK 1]******

Michael Lindemann on the UK-UFO-NW IRC #UFO Channel

This is a cleaned up log, of the United Kingdom UFO Network Saturday
20th September 1997 IRC meeting on #UFO with guest Michael
Lindemann. Michael kindly gave up a couple of hours of his spare time
to answer some questions for the visitors to the channel. Below you
will find a list of questions that were asked along with Michaels
replies. The name in between the < >'s e.g. is the nick name of the
IRC user asking the question and where you see <CNIMikeL> is of
course the start of Michael's reply.

CREDITS:

We would like to thank Dave_UFO for arranging this meeting with
Michael Lindemann. We would like to thank Michael for attending this
meeting and answering the questions put to him. We would like to
thank all the people involved in asking questions. We would like to
thank everyone who attended this meeting.

This meeting was moderated by Crow and Raine

<CNIMikeL> um, it appears that I've just gone thru a dimensional
shift

*** Crow changes topic to "Michael Lindemann please direct your
questions to Crow or Raine and not the guest speaker. Channel #ufo2
open for debate"

<Dave_UFO> Just a reminder....Will all operators who wish to ask
Mike a question, please message Crow & Raine first....

<Dave_UFO> Hello everyone. Thank you for visiting us here on the
uk.ufo.nw UFO irc channel. We are honoured to introduce our very
special guest tonight: Michael Lindemann. Michael is a
world-respected ufologist and editor of the excellent and very
popular CNI News internet magazine. He is also resident UFO/ET
commentator on the nationally syndicated American radio program
"Sightings On The Radio".

CNI News is a twice-monthly electronic subscription newsletter
addressing UFO phenomena, claims of human-alien contact, space
exploration and related issues, including the cultural and political
impacts of contact with other intelligent life. CNI News is edited
by Michael Lindemann and distributed by the 2020 Group.

Michael on behalf of us all here may I say "welcome". To start with
can you tell us a little about yourself.

<CNIMikeL> Thank you Dave, and on behalf of myselves may I say Glad
to be here :-)

<CNIMikeL> Well. you covered some basic points.

<CNIMikeL> Let me say I'm not a UFO experiencer, as far as I know.

<CNIMikeL> that is, the appearance of government interest and
coverup, which first came to my attention.

<CNIMikeL> I started a serious study of this topic from the
political angle... in 1989. Since then, I've been pretty much full
time on this, but of course some of you in the room have been at it a
lot longer. go ahead

<Crow> ok first question

<Moonwatch> I would like to ask Michael Lindermann if he feels that
ufo abductions follow families that is when it happens to a parent
when they are young then does it seem to follow the family and also
happen to that parents children and so on and so on!

<CNIMikeL> Moorwatch, the simple answer is yes...

<CNIMikeL>But it is not clear why this would be so.

<CNIMikeL>It seems to indicate or strengthen the assumption that
there must be a long-running genetic program of some kind. But, to be
cynical, we could also say that this particular delusion might run
in families as well. I don't mean that to be snide. I do mean to
suggest that I myself am not entirely sure what "abduction" really
is. And I've queried a great many researchers on this, as well as
abductees, and I find that, when pressed for a clear answer... most
of them are very reticent to say precisely what abduction really is.
I do know that it is something very important, and that it is "real"
in the sense of "really happening, in an objective way"... to
apparently sane and competent people. It also, as you say, seems to
run in families. It is a very large mystery. go ahead

<Benat2> Question for Michael: Before 1989 did you ever give any of
this much thought?

<CNIMikeL> Benat, I did not. It was no more than a subject of
entertainment for me... I was as enthralled by films like "Close
Encounters" as anyone, I suppose... but prior to 1989 it did not
occur to me that this subject was real. go ahead

<Avenger> I would like to know if he researched cattle mutilations
and if he has any speculated reason for why the Aliens do them.

<CNIMikeL> Avenger, I have not personally examined mutilated
animals... but I have spent a great deal of time talking with Linda
Howe... and others about this phenomenon. There is, again, no doubt
that it occurs,... and no doubt that it is highly anomalous, and no
doubt that it SOMETIMES... seems associated with UFO and alien
activity. That said, I can only speculate... as to why this would be
done, and frankly, I don't find ANY of the speculations very
convincing. BUT... the one I like best is: cattle make a very good
guage of environmental pollution. The lips/tongue measure what
pollutants go in, the organs measure what pollutants are absorbed,
the anus measures what pollutants are excreted. It's an interesting
way to conduct these measurements. go ahead

<Hideout> Does Mike mind telling us if he has ever seen the alleged
Alien Artefact Deryl Sims has, that has featured recently on CNI's
WWW site, and would he like to tell us what it was like.

<CNIMikeL> Hideout, I have not seen that particular artefact with my
own eyes.

<CNIMikeL> go ahead

<stu7> I wasn't clear on a point... you said you had not had
personal ufo experiences... so what got you involved in reporting on
them ?

<CNIMikeL> Stu, I started as a political analyst with a lot of
background in US govt secrecy, especially regarding nuclear weapons.
It became obvious to me, from the moment I took a serious look, that
there are "official secrets' about UFOs. I did not know what those
secrets were, or why the should be kept... but I was highly
intrigued that they had been kept so successfully for so long. That
said to me that there must be a VERY large agenda operating. So, I
was hooked by that, I guess. go ahead

<Vadir> Question: Whats your opinion on crop circles, do you think
there is any link at all?

<CNIMikeL> Vadir, the link between crop circles and UFOs is not
clear to me. I do think that SOME circles (formations) are highly
anomalous... but I  I'm also well aware that a distubing number are
hoaxed. I would be VERY interested in the perspective of those of
you in the UK on this. go ahead

<Dave_UFO> What are your feelings and thoughts about Dan Sherman who
was interviewed recently on 'Sightings On The Radio' and who is the
author of a new book 'Above Black'. Dan Sherman (who tells a
fascinating story) talks about his days in the US Air Force where he
was involved in Project Preserve Destiny ?

<CNIMikeL> Well, Dave, you asked my feelings... I try to keep my
feelings out of this, if possible.... And I don't know very much
about Dan Sherman except what he told Jeff... so I'm not prepared to
comment. His story falls into the "deep dark conspiracy" side of our
subject -- I'm not saying that might not be true, it very well MIGHT
be true, but I have nothing to go on except his word, for now. go
ahead

<color> What types of government interest have you found regarding
the abductees and people who have an interest in ufos or are people
who have a ufo sighting? what role is the government playing in these
areas?

<CNIMikeL> Well, color, there is VERY DEFINITELY a large and deeply
covert govt interest in this... It is frankly infuriating, at this
late stage, that we must still be treated like idiots for saying
this... SO MANY military figures and similar people now attest to
the reality of UFO encounters, there is just no doubt at all that
these events are.... occurring, and in great numbers, in many parts
of the world. I discuss the "need for secrecy" with many other
researchers... the consensus, for the most part, is tending toward
the idea that there must be something perceived to be "very bad" in
the UFO phenomenon itself -- not just in the possible public reaction
and so forth... it's as Philip Corso said in his recent book -- the
military has assumed from the beginning that UFOs represented a
possibly hostile power. Much as I would prefer to believe otherwise,
I'm convinced that those who've managed the secrecy side do think
there is legitimate danger represented by UFOs. go ahead

<ChromeB> what's your opinion on the fake Nasa moon landing
conspiracy theories?

<CNIMikeL> Chrome -- I am as sure as I can be that we did go to the
moon in 1969 and thereafter. Those landings were not faked. However,
it is just barely possible that some of the publicity shots were
faked. I'm not sure about that. go ahead

<UFatO> Have you any idea as to why the government is keeping the
alien issue such a secret, any idea at all?

<CNIMikeL> UFatO, as I said a moment ago... this is really a very
significant and mysterious thing... I'm persuaded that "they" really
do think there is genuine danger in the UFO phenomenon. Let me share
an idea given me by another researcher who, unlike myself, is very
much an experiencer as well... He said he feels that public interest
creates a certain kind of psychic opening which... enables alien
forces to access the earth in greater strength. He thinks that
dissuading humans from feeling open about ET contact.... is actually
a purposeful effort at defending the earth from incursion. I cannot
vouch for this idea, but it struck me as highly intriguing. go ahead

<Typhoon> what do you think about the footage from the NASA Space
Shuttle missions, especially STS-80; has there been an official
comment from NASA regarding this footage? I mailed the webmaster of
the NASA's official STS-80 site, and all I got was some standard
answer: "NASA has not seen anything in any of its on-orbit footage
or photographs that would indicate an extraterrestrial spacecraft.
I've seen the footage you refer to and believe the anomalous object
is just a piece of debris."

<CNIMikeL> Yes, well, NASA is obliged, I believe, to toe a certain
party line on this. STS-80 has been evaluated by a number of U.S.
experts, and I must say that they seem less impressed by that than
they were by STS-48... As for STS-48, I have to agree with many
others (more knowledgeable than I in this regard) that it shows every
sign of being something... highly anomalous. Does NASA know or
suspect that there are other intelligent forces at play in near
space? I would have to say yes to that. go ahead

<Dave_UFO> Michael I passed a recent letter onto you from a Chris
Arnold who said that he was at Bentwaters in 1980. Your were good
enough to pass it onto Salley Rayl for further investigation. Do you
have any further details you can relate to us ?

<CNIMikeL> Yes, Dave, while I'm not ready to make a definitive
statement on Chris Arnold, I would say that his testimony does
little to undermine the basic importance of the Bentwaters/Woodbridge
events of Dec 1980. It is not clear, first of all, that he is
commenting on the same set of days and events that others (Halt,
Penniston et al) have talked about... It is simply impossible for me
to believe that Halt was (a) so totally mistaken about what he
himself observed and/or (b) "in it for the money," as Arnold
implies... I would have to say, tentatively, that Arnold's testimony
is not valid. go ahead

<HarryD> Mister Lindemann ..I would like to ask you if you are
familiar with the Billy Meier case ...and if so ...what is your
opinion on it. (Btw I know Billy Meier personally and once when
visiting him saw a IFO ;) flying by at 200 or 300 meters distance!)

<CNIMikeL> Harry, this is the kind of question that can start a fist
fight... :-)  I find the Meier case to be highly mysterious and
intriguing. As one US researcher once said, if Billy really faked
all the pictures, that is almost more impressive than beamships from
the Pleaides...  I am absolutely sure that some of the photos are
fakes... But I am NOT sure that they are all fakes. I think Meier has
become something of a legend in his own mind... and that he has felt
obliged to maintain an air of mystery and importance all out of
proportion with what actually happened to him... but, I think maybe
he did see some extraordinary UFOs in 1975-76. There. I hope that
doesn't start any fist fights. go ahead

<HarryD> my sighting was in 1991 mr Lindeman !!!!

<CNIMikeL> Harry -- I do not mean to suggest that your sighting was
not valid! I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are many unusual
sightings in the Swiss Alps, as there have been in many other
mountainous regions of the world.

<Dave_UFO> Michael please take a rest whenever you feel like it.

<CNIMikeL> Dave, I would be please to hear some other people's
remarks on some of these topics as well!

<Crow> sure Michael we can give people a voice if you want to get
involved with that question a bit more.

<ChromeB> Do you know much about N.W.O? New World Order.... plus the
Committee of 300? Secret governments etc and their purposes?

<CNIMikeL> You see, one can hardly bring up Billy Meier without
bringing up strong opinions and feelings.... anyway... About New
World Order... These three words have an enormous amount of different
meanings and implications, depending on the level of your analysis.
On one level, there is no doubt that a New World Order is being
created -- this has to do with the global consolidation of power.
Some of the people doing this are genuinely of the belief that it is
good for the bulk of humanity... However, I confess to suspecting
that some proportion of the most powerful people on earth see in the
New World Order a kind of "final solution" to certain intractable
problems -- the problem of ethnic variations, the problem of poverty,
the problem of population growth, etc... this "final solution" has to
do with a guided collapse of global infrastructure...  It will have
the appearance of a gradual and accidental disaster, but in my
opinion it will be the furthest thing from that. I always hasten to
add that this is not inevitable... and not everyone involved in
creating the NWO wants to see this occur. So... the outcome is not
certain. But the forces at in play, and the outcome becomes more
inevitable with every passing day, as long as most political forces
in the world are essentially deadlocked. Indeed, the creation of
political deadlock is not an accident either -- it was a very clever
construct for the purpose of making eventual collapse more likely.
For the moment, this is what I see happening. go ahead

<TopGun> Do you think that the MJ-12 group is/was real? and what do
you think of Mr. Friedman ?

<CNIMikeL> Topgun, something like MJ-12 must have been real...
though not necessarily by that name... Something like MJ-12 must
still be in operation, almost certainly not by that name... Stanton
Friedman is a very dedicated researcher. His work on legitimising the
basic reality of UFO phenomena, and his work on... demonstrating the
fact of government cover-up, will be seen in years to come as among
the most significant efforts of his generation of researchers. I hold
him in very high regard. go ahead.

<JeroenW> Mike, you said you have never seen a UFO? (Same with me by
the way). What is your overall opinion on the subject of UFOs (Are
they ET propelled vehicles or "just" naturally occurring phenomenon?

<CNIMikeL> Jeroen, I am strongly of the opinion that SOME ufos are
highly anomalous aircraft or spacecraft... Many sightings are simply
mistaken identity of some kind... but those that are witnessed by
several high quality witnesses, that are close up, that leave trace
evidence, etc... these cannot be dismissed at all.  There is no
doubt in my mind that these ufos are "somebody's aircraft" go ahead

<Raine> <martha-> What is most exciting thing happening in ufology
today?

<CNIMikeL> Martha, for me, the most exciting this is the confluence
of many kinds of evidence toward the building of a rock-certain case
for the... reality of visitation by other intelligent beings. This
confluence includes the testimony of people like Philip Corso, the
discovery of planets around other stars, the new theoretical work in
physics that shows... that "faster than light speed" is NOT
impossible, the likelihood of at least rudimentary life even on
other planets in our own solar system not to mention other stars...
When all this is added together with the continuing array of
impressive UFO cases, we see a pattern so robust that eventually...
there will be no possibility of official denial any longer. That day
has not yet arrived, but it is coming. go ahead

<color> Have you come across any cases where the normal citizen who
sighted a ufo is a source of government interest?

<CNIMikeL> It's hard to say, color... I am aware of several people
who have been harassed by black helicopters, for example, after
reporting UFO experiences (particularly if they talk about
abduction)... I know of several people who seem to have had their
mail tampered with, and quite a few who probably have had their
phones tapped.... SO I guess I'd have to say...  YES, I think there
is a pattern of "government interest" shown in some of these UFO
experiencers. go ahead

<MrProsser> It is sometimes said that when a civilization that is
highly advanced comes in contact with a civilization that is less
advanced, the less advanced civlization dies out, do you think this
could happen?

<CNIMikeL> It's a matter of genuine concern, MrProsser... Even if
our visitors are entirely benign (which I'm not sure of, myself).. .
there could be a huge impact upon human/earth society... as we become
aware of their presence... However, it is also possible that we can
absorb the impact and be hugely enriched by it, despite inevitable
disruptions... I do not see, on balance, any great reason to think
that human society will be crushed by contact... On the contrary, I
think open contact is inevitable during the coming century, AND I
think it will mark the beginning of a new period of great promise
for the humans of earth. go ahead

<yex> How about Corsos claims, being corroborated now by A.C.C. of
the 40s wreckage being "seeded" into companies like Bell labs
resulting in the enormous leap in technology over the past 50 yrs ?

<CNIMikeL> Yex, I'm watching this with great interest, to say the
least... I have interviewed Col. Corso face to face and find him
essentially believable... now the new info from ACC adds to the
remarkable possibility that the "alien pedigree" of some of our
basic technologies... will prove to be the thing that settles, once
and for all, the claim of alien contact starting in, say, the
mid-1940s... Of course, that leaves unanswered the further claim of
possible contact going back to deep antiquity... I think this is an
even harder pill to swallow... but I also think eventually we humans
will recognize that we've been visited for a very long time. go ahead

<I-Knight> can you ask Mike if he can tell us what the reaction is
to the Mexican UFO sightings in US Gov't circles.

<CNIMikeL> Knight, I have never seen the slightest hint of "official
govt interest" in the Mexican UFO events... In fact, the U.S. press
has been absurdly silent on the subject... Something HUGE has gone
down in Mexico over the last several years, and even in the States,
just north of the border, most people know very little about it. go
ahead

<Phantom13> Can you ask Mr. Lindemann about the Phoenix lights and
the recent Ed Dames explanation?

<CNIMikeL> I am persuaded that major anomalous events did occur over
Arizona on March 13 and several other nights during that month... I
have heard a LOT of different explanations...  Now, please forgive
me, I am aware that Mr. Dames has offered a new explanation just in
the last day or two, but I've been away from my computer and have not
read it yet.... However, I would have to say....  that I have come to
feel quite sceptical about Mr. Dames. His reputation among other
remote viewing specialists is very bad....  His record of predicting
certain major UFO events in the past is very bad... I have no reason
to think his explanation of Phoenix would be a great deal better. go
ahead

<outbased> Mike there have been many sceptics on TV lately that seem
to point the finger at TV shows (X files) and the last few years ufo
reports running side by side, in such a way as to suggest the
program is dictating the reports we will get. Do you find that in the
last few years the cases have been influenced by this, or have they
stayed of the same category?

<CNIMikeL> outbased, someday maybe someone will do a scientifically
valid study of the influence of TV shows on the prevalence and
content of UFO... sightings, but frankly, I think TV has exploited,
not created, the great majority of UFO events of recent years.... I
see no good reason at all to think that UFO percipients are overly
affected by TV programming.... and even if some are, the fact remains
that a large number of the best UFO cases on record clearly could not
have been affected by TV. go ahead

<PtsHawk> CNI...wouldn't this issue be better served if secrecy
between researchers was NOT maintained? Don't we need to disburse as
much info as possible to as many as possible as quickly as possible?

<CNIMikeL> PtsHawk, I completely agree on this. I think secrecy
among researchers is very unfortunate and counterproductive... A
major example of this problem is occurring right now in Brazil over
the Varginha case....  several of the key researchers are now
withholding info from each other, and even planting disinformation to
throw each other off the track.... this is disgraceful. go ahead

<Nesssus> First Hi, Welcome to #ufo, My question is, What do you
believe is the reason(s) for abductions?

<CNIMikeL> Nesssus, before I can address the reason(s), I must
address what abduction actually is.... As I said earlier this
evening, I have queried a lot of other researchers as well as
abductees on this, and I find that almost no one is really sure what
abduction is.... First, "it" is obviously not one single thing... as
with other elements of the UFO mustery, abduction has several
overlapping likely explanations, at least... for example. some
abductees may well be confusing other forms of psychological trauma
with supposed alien encounter....  in some cases, there may actually
be a brain electro-chemical process involved.... in some cases, I am
pretty sure there is actual kidnapping and induced terror by human
agents of some kind.... and then we come, at least, to contacts with
other intelligent beings.... in this category, we must ask whether
human terror is actually an appropriate response to what really
happens... that is, was the human actually "abducted" in the
traumatic sense, or not? In many cases, the abductee is really not
sure... but let's accept that SOME abductions are precisly what they
appear to be (I think this is a valid assumption) -- OK, then, WHY?
Two primary ideas stand out, I think... 1) "They" need something
we've got, or 2) "They" think we need something they've got. In the
first category -- genetic material, revitalization, etc.... In the
second category, we're trashing earth and need remedial training in
bio-ethics, etc.... All of this, of course, is speculation. I'd love
to know what some of you think! go ahead

<PtsHawk> In 1982, Colonel Barrett (now General) led an army
requested security raid on Area 51. Upon getting to the fourth level
down the air shaft, he claims to have seen a ufo hovering in a lab
much like the movie ID4. Has your research shown that movies, TV, etc
are preparing us for an introduction?

<CNIMikeL> PtsHawk, I would say yes, the proliferation of film and
TV images of alien contact does have the net effect of "preparing us
for contact" -- however, I cannot say with any confidence that this
has been done deliberately or in an orchestrated way.... I wish I
could prove that, because it would be a genuinely great discovery.
Anyway... IF I were in charge of "desensitizing" the public to be
more ready for contact, I think I would do a lot of what we see
occurring all around us, in terms of the profusion of alien imagery.
go ahead

<Dave_UFO> Michael We'll take a short break here. Perhaps give your
fingers a rest. Tell us when you are ready to start again, if that's
ok with you of course.

<CNIMikeL> Dave, Raine, Crow, I must be going in about ten minutes.

<Dave_UFO> Michael: Ok we'll carry on till then if it's ok.

<Crow> ok CNIMikeL

<Raine> ok shall we ask a few more questions. We have an awful lot
here that haven't been asked :)

<CNIMikeL> I wasn't sure how long you wanted to go.... By my watch,
we've been at it over 90 minutes now...

<CNIMikeL> so I'm near my limit.

<Dave_UFO> Crow: Go for it then.

<CNIMikeL> Raine, I appreciate the great interest....

<CNIMikeL> It's been an honour to speak with you all... now that
I've got a working IRC link here, we can perhaps do it again. But I
would be interested, next time, in hearing the opinions of others as
well.

<CNIMikeL> go ahead

-[continued in part 2]-

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<Mulder> My question is do you think that it is possible that
extraterrestrials influenced the growth of ancient cultures such as
the Egyptians. Could it be possible that extraterrestrials have been
influencing us for thousands of years, helping us gain knowledge?

<CNIMikeL> Mulder, the short answer is yes, almost definitely....  I
think this could be the "really hard pill to swallow," eventually.
I think it's likely that many of our religious myths have alien
elements....  I do NOT think, by the way, that the aliens, whoever
they are, "invented God" in their own image, as some might say. I
personally do believe that the universe is informed by a supreme
intelligence, much more vast and powerful (and benevolent) than our
alien friends.  But I don't think most of us, in the face of alien
magic, could tell the difference -- and I think maybe Moses couldn't
either. :-) go ahead

<UFatO> Mike. you say guided collapse of the global infrastructure,
do you think the government and aliens are working together on this
subject?

<CNIMikeL> UFatO, all I can say is I'm aware of the theories to that
effect. I have looked for, but have not found (to my satisfaction)
any good evidence of direct, sustained collusion between major
political groups and aliens. I am aware, for example, of speculation
that the Nazis may have benefited from such a collusion.... this
seems at least somewhat possible, but I don't know of any compelling
evidence. go ahead

<Moonwatch> Could I also ask Mr. Lindemann, if he feels that the
aliens are showing up more than ever these past few years because
they are trying to save our planet from our own destruction, or are
they looking for a new place to co-habitate with us!

<CNIMikeL> Moonwatch, first we have to ask if they are actually
showing up more than ever -- I'm not sure on this, because our data
is so bad. What seems clear is that more UFO REPORTS are showing up
lately, and that is.... to a large extent because of the internet,
which allows us all to compare notes globally.  But IF they are
showing up more than ever, it would seem to coincide with other
accelerations that seem quite evidenct... I would say we are moving
into a time of turmoil, global crisis and eventual transformation --
I would like to emphasize here that I do NOT believe at all
"dimensional shift" or even "pole shift" for that matter.... but I do
know full well that we will experience major changes due to global
warming, global pollution, rain forest destruction, population
pressure, etc... all these things create conditions of great stress
upon the planet... and IF (a big IF) our visitors are benevolently
concerned about our current mess, then this MIGHT account for an
actual increase in alien activity. Perhaps this will become more
clear in the next few years. go ahead

<ChromeB> Any opinions on Mars? The face on mars, and the possible
future "colonization" of mars?

<CNIMikeL> Chrome -- the "Face" is, in my opinion, likely to prove
genuinely anomalous, with all the interesting ramifications that
implies...  I would not be surprised at all if we are told by NASA
that there is evidence of ancient life on Mars, one of these days...
as for colonization, it is a virtual certainty, IF we don't blow
ourselves up first. go ahead

<CNIMikeL> Last question, folks.

<Vadir> While on the topic of what ufo's could be, do you entertain
a theory of some ufo's being a swarm of some night time insects,
which could be a possible explanation for erratic air movement?

<CNIMikeL> Vadir, well, individual UFO cases could be many different
things. Nature produces remarkably weird stuff, like swarms of
insects for example -- so maybe there is a UFO case, somewhere, that
was actually caused by insects. But, I don't think this is likely to
be the explanation most of the time.

<CNIMikeL> Friends, it has been a great pleasure for me to be here
tonight. Thank you very much.

<bookfndr> Michael, this is Chuck Preston, I appreciate your coming
to our group and will tell Susand Bedell that I talked to you.

<Crow> Could I just say on behalf of all of #UFO thank you very much
for attending tonight and answering as many questions as possible,
we all really appreciate it. We wish you all the best with CNI News
in the future and keep up the good work.

<Dave_UFO> Michael I'm sure we all speak as one when I say "Thank
You" for giving up your valuable time to be here with us today. It
has been a most interesting meeting as is apparent by the sheer
number of people on the channel. May I take this opportunity to
invite you back again at a not to distant date?  Perhaps next time
we'll have an open meeting. It might be a little chaotic, but it's
certainly worth a try. We look forward to it.

<Raine> Michael could you please tell everyone how to get your CNI
news letter before go?

<CNIMikeL> Dave, and everyone, thanks again. And next time, yes,
let's try an open meeting. I think we're all civilized enough to make
it work, and I very much want to hear what others are thinking.

<Dave_UFO> Michael I will mail you and we'll make arrangements...

<CNIMikeL> Yes, anyone who would like to try two free issues of CNI
News (which comes out on the 1st and 16th of each month, by email)
can send me an email request (just 'Try news" is enough) to:
CNINews1@aol.com

<Dave_UFO> Ok Michael thanks again...

<Raine> Thank you very much Michael :)

<Crow> We will now remove the +m b4 you go so they can all say there
goodbyes.

*** Raine sets mode: -m

1 million goodbyes followed...........

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While there, check out the unique "Search CNI News" feature, the only
keyword searchable UFO news archive in cyberspace.

[UK 2]******

Source: Solihull News newspaper
Date: 12 September 1997

Sights set on UFO awareness agenda (Solihull)

Special report by Shahid Naqvi

Alien beings are making themselves increasingly known to mankind and
will soon be part of every day society.

This is the view of Gary Lanham who has been researching and
investigating UFO phenomena for more than 30 years, and is now
focusing his efforts on Solihull.

"Sightings seem to be more bold, as if the UFOs are hanging around
longer and want people to see them," he said.

"I believe whatever is behind them, part of the agenda is simply to
be seen.

"It is as if we are going through an awareness programme."

Having read this far, most may be thinking these are the words of
someone who has watched one too many episodes of the X-Files.

But for Gary, who is aged 51, and lives in Birmingham, it's a belief
gained from a life long interest in UFOs which has included several
sightings of his own.

He says he is now concentrating on Solihull because it is a part of
the country which has experienced a notable increase in UFO
activity.

"There have been lots of sightings in the Solihull area.

"I have only just started looking into it but have already found
about a dozen sightings of good quality since 1965," he says.

The most spectacular in recent years was by a teacher in
mid-December 1993.

Whilst driving on the M42 between Portway and Knowle, she claims to
have seen two blue concentric circles of light made up of eight
pulsating blobs expanding at regular intervals.

The sighting was backed up the next day by motorists on the M69 who
reported a similar phenomenon.

Gary, who 20 years ago co-founded the Birmingham based group, UFOSIS
(Unidentified Flying Objects Studies Information Service), said:
"undoubtedly there have been more sightings in the area than are
reported and I would like to know about them."

His most dramatic UFO sighting occurred in Wiltshire - an area he
visited in 1975 with three other group members amid reports of
increased activity.

"We were up on top of a high mound at about 11.30pm when a massive
light suddenly appeared.

"We just stared in awe as it accelerated in a straight line to a
point somewhere to our left and disappeared behind a hill.

"Another light appeared in the same position and repeated the
manoeuvre. This happened three times.

"Each time I tried to fit it into something rational, the objects
did something to confound my thinking. It would shoot up in a
different direction or it would hover and shake or reverse.

"It just left me gobsmacked."

Gary has now developed his own view about what is going on out
there.

"I believe there is something definitely visiting mankind and has
been doing so for hundreds if not thousands of years," he says.

"Most people who study UFOs will agree the major Government's in the
world definitely know more than they are saying.

"If you go by sheer weight of evidence there seems to be a moving
forward of the whole thing.

"My own view is ultimately there is going to be contact, but I don't
think it will be how people imagine. It won't be a landing on the
White House lawn - it will be far more subtle.

"We are going through a period of change. Sightings will become so
familiar, stage one will be complete and we will move on to the next
stage.

"Eventually these beings will become part of society."

[UK 3]******

From: Andrew Espeland <andrew@espeland.demon.co.uk>
Source: Burton Daily Mail newspaper (Burton on Trent, Staffs)
Date: Thursday 12th June 1997

UFO swoops on lorry driver

Tales of the unexpected have been brewing across Burton and South
Derbyshire, as residents bombarded police with stories involving -
flying bricks.

>From the outer limits of Newhall to Stapenhill, people are
experiencing close encounters of the third kind - with a series of
unidentified flying oblong objects.

Reports, which started with the sighting of a crescent-shaped UFO
hovering over Swadlincote, switched yesterday as residents spotted a
pinky brown brick shaped object in the sky above Newhall.

The X File-style sightings sparked a UFO investigation after a
Burton lorry driver claimed that he was confronted by a giant
airborne black mass he could only describe as resembling a giant
brick or skip near a UFO spotters' paradise.

The driver, who works for the Burton firm of Thacker's Pet Products
says he had left the Victoria Crescent firm to deliver goods to
Middleton in Derbyshire, a stone's throw away from Ashbourne, once a
peak UFO activity centre, when he stopped at a junction.

there, across his vision, was a jet black shape without any detail.
It hovered immediately in front of him before zooming from one side
to the other faster than his eyes could follow and then stopping.

Mr Stephen Dyche, of Baker Street, Stapenhill, is to return to the
scene of the sighting in 10 days with UFO investigators keen to
discover an explanation.

He said: "It certainly wasn't aerodynamic. It was getting on for a
shape like a brick with nothing to keep it up there. It was just
stuck there and there wasn't any movement like you'd expect from a
helicopter if it was hovering.

"I didn't believe in UFOs or that sort of thing before now but this
has definitely changed my mind."

Mr Dyche said later sightings of an object similar to the one he saw
on Monday had been reported in East Anglia.

And he said after reporting the incident to police and the Civil
Aviation Authority an organisation called Sub-paranormal
Investigations is also set to probe the case.
 

[W 1]******

Source: CNN
Date: 31st July 1977

Seven new asteroids could threaten Earth

BOSTON (CNN) -- Seven previously unknown asteroids that are close
enough and large enough to threaten the Earth have been found by
astronomers scanning the heavens for potentially dangerous space
rocks.

None of the new discoveries pose an immediate threat, said Eleanor F.
Helin of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

In a report this week to the American Astronomical Society meeting in
Boston, Helin said the program, called Near-Earth Asteroid Tracking,
has identified more than 5,000 asteroids in its first year of
operation, but only seven of the space rocks are potentially
dangerous to Earth.

 
But she emphasized only 10 percent of the sky has been searched by
NEAT astronomers so far.

The new discoveries raise to 99 the known asteroids or comets that
are considered potential threats to the Earth. Each rock is at least
3,000 feet (1,000 meters) across and located in orbits that will pass
within 5 million miles of the Earth.

Helin said there may be another 800 smaller asteroids that could
threaten the Earth.

If an asteroid were to strike land, the effect would be global, Helin
said. A large object would fill the atmosphere with dust, blotting
sunlight, causing extreme cold and killing plants. Smaller objects
could cause continent-wide destruction.

"In terms of global destruction, it would take a kilometer-size
object," she said. "But any of these smaller guys, say, 30 to 50
meters, can do a lot of local destruction."

A kilometer is about three-fifths of a mile, and 30 meters is about
100 feet.

Defending Earth with rockets

The biggest danger to Earth, Helin said, is from objects called Aten
asteroids that orbit inside the Earth's orbit with the sun. The space
rocks are bounced around by the gravitational influence of the Earth,
Mercury and Venus, and could be set on an Earthward path at any time.

"You really can't predict what will happen with these beyond a
hundred years," she said.

There are now 26 known Aten asteroids larger than 3,000 feet in size,
including one discovered by the NEAT project.

While none of the Aten asteroids is projected to hit Earth,
astronomers say that over time -- hundreds, thousands, or even
millions of years -- the space rocks' orbits will change, which could
put any of the asteroids on a collision course with Earth.

Helin, who has been searching for asteroids for 25 years, said the
Earth's only protection from such asteroids is to find them well
before they hit and then send up rocket-bombs to shatter them or
divert the orbit.

[W 2]******

Source: CNN
Date: 14th September 1997

Stealth jet crashes during air show near Baltimore

Witness: 'It was absolutely horrible'

MIDDLE RIVER, Maryland (CNN) -- An Air Force stealth jet broke apart
during an air show and crashed into a suburban Baltimore neighborhood
Sunday, setting a house on fire and injuring four people on the
ground.

The pilot ejected seconds before the jet hit the ground and exploded
in a cloud of black smoke.

 
The F-117A stealth fighter-bomber crashed about 3 p.m. into Bowley's
Condo Marina on Chesapeake Bay, near the Glenn Martin State Airport.
It was making its final passes at the Chesapeake Air Show and was
preparing to return to its base when the crash occurred.

Baltimore County Fire Capt. Steve Gisriel said a man and three women
at the condominium complex sustained only minor injuries and were not
taken to the hospital.

Among them was an elderly woman who managed to escape her home seconds
after the plane slammed into her garage.

The pilot, identified as Capt. Bryan Knight, also was treated at the
scene for minor injuries to his back and neck.

Gisriel said the fire was contained within an hour. The plane carried
approximately 11,000 pounds of fuel, he said.

A house, a garage and two motor vehicles were destroyed and another
house was damaged, Gisriel said. A three-block area in this suburb
east of Baltimore was evacuated to allow military officials to
investigate.

The F-117A -- known for its radar-evading abilities -- is made of a
top-secret material that the Pentagon would like to keep classified.

Witness: 'It was absolutely horrible'

Eyewitnesses described -- and amateur videotape showed -- pieced
falling off the plane as it passed over a runway at the airport.

Sharon Schuchardt, who was watching the air show from a boat,
witnessed the crash.

"The plane was flying over and the tail end just blew off," she told
CNN. "At first we thought it was part of the act. All of a sudden,
the plane just started going down."

"It's something nobody in their lifetime would ever want to
experience," she said. "It was horrible, absolutely horrible. ... It
was huge, a total explosion, and then we just kept hearing popping
sounds ... the tires or the gas tank."

Another witness, Kimberly Chaapel, noticed "part of the wing fell off"
before the plane went down and the pilot ejected.

"He started rolling head over tail and (the pilot) ejected probably
500 feet before the ground," she said. "He was very, very lucky."

She said she drove to the crash scene and found the pilot walking
around in her uncle's yard and got him into a lawn chair. "He said he
was fine," she said, but was rubbing his neck.

Andy Kunkowski said he was watching the show from a small boat near
the shoreline and immediately went to the scene of the crash and spoke
to the pilot.

"He said he was truly sorry about what had happened and said he tried
to pull it out," Kunkowski said. "He wanted to land this thing in the
water, but couldn't."

"He said everything was fine until he started to make an incline, and
at that point he realized the rear wasn't doing what it was supposed
to," Kunkowski said.

No F-117s lost in the Persian Gulf War

The Air Force said the F-117A had taken off from Langley Air Force
Base, Virginia, and was to return after flying by the air show.

The aircraft, assigned to the 7th Fighter Squadron, 49th Fighter Wing
at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico, was one of two F-117As loaned
temporarily at Langley to support air shows along the East Coast, the
Air Force said.

The boomerang-shaped F-117 Nighthawk, armed with laser-guided bombs,
was used in the Gulf War against the most heavily defended Iraqi
targets because of its ability to evade radar and radar-guided
missiles.

Air Force sources told CNN that this is the third major accident this
year involving the single-seat F-117A, but the first this year in
which a plane was destroyed.

The Air Force did lose an F-117A during a night training exercise in
New Mexico in spring 1995. The pilot was killed in that accident.

Air Force sources said an experimental prototype of the F-117A was
lost during testing when the plane was a "classified project."

There have been a total of six serious accidents involving F-117As in
the 1990s, a serious accident being defined as one that resulted in a
loss of life or at least $1 million damage.

The F-117A costs about $45 million. The Air Force had 54 in its
inventory before Sunday's crash.

The Air Force said the plane generally has a good safety record, and
in the Persian Gulf War none were lost.

[W 3]******

From: "A.J. Craddock" <webmaster@cseti.org>
Date: Tuesday 19th August 1997

Pat Robertson says kill all UFO believers

From:   BOB SHELL, [76750,2717]
TO:     Steven M. Greer, MD, [103275,1472]
DATE:   8/19/97

RE: Pat Robertson says kill all UFO believers

The following was posted on UFO Updates and, frankly, scares the
hell out of me.

I once worked for this slime ball Robertson for a short time, and I
know how religious he really is.  All he cares about is money, and
he will say anything that keeps it rolling in.

I should point out that any television which broadcasts programs
like this advocating killing and/or violence is in violation of FCC
regulations and can have its charter revoked if people complain.

I think it's time to write some letters to Washington, folks.

Bob

PLEASE REPOST THIS BROADLY

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FREEDOM WRITER PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 28, 1997
CONTACT: Skipp Porteous (413) 528-3800

Robertson advocates stoning for UFO enthusiasts

Great Barrington, MA -- In a recent pronouncement, television
evangelist and head of the Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson,
advocated death by stoning for UFO enthusiasts.

Freedom Writer magazine, in its July/August issue, mailed today,
disclosed Robertson's statement. Freedom Writer is published by the
Institute for First Amendment Studies, a group that monitors the
right.

Robertson used the news of the July 4th Mars landing to promote his
extreme beliefs. A segment on the July 8, 1997 broadcast of The 700
Club featured news of the Mars Pathfinder mission. Employing the
historical event as a starting point, the program delved into the
possibility of the existence of UFOs and space aliens.

While Robertson viewed the space program with suspicion, on a more
serious note, he launched into a diatribe against those who
entertain the existence of space aliens and UFOs. He said, in a
rambling discourse, that if such things exist, they are simply demons
trying to lead people away from Christ. According to Robertson, the
threat is so serious that people who believe in space aliens should
be put to death by stoning -- according to "God's word."

"The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to
the Lord," Robertson said.

"He has given us the Earth. He also warned, way back when Moses was
writing down not only what is the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy,
which is almost the Second Law.

"Here is what he said to the children of Israel about this whole
matter:

"If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the
Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the
sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has
gone and served other gods and worshipped them, either the sun or
moon or any of the hosts of heaven which I have not commanded you,
and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is
indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed
in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman
who has committed that wicked thing, and stone to death that man or
woman with stones.'" (Deuteronomy 17:2-5, NKJV)

"Now, that's what Moses said to the children of Israel about those
who worship the sun and the moon and the hosts of heaven, because
these things, at best, are lifeless nothings, or, if they are
intelligent, they're demonic. And, yes, there is a host of heaven.
There are angels and there are fallen angels. There is no question
about it."

"Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of
course he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. And if
they can lead somebody away from the true God, or away from Jesus
Christ, anyway it happens, it doesn't matter, you will lose your
salvation. It doesn't matter how they get you. The question is, did
they get you, and under what guise?

"This is man in rebellion against God, who refuses to take God's
Law. And God says, 'My covenant says you won't do this. And if I find
anybody in Israel,'-- "which is his pure nation" -- 'If I find
anybody in Israel that's doing this sort of thing, then I want you to
take him out and dispose of him."

"It's a clear violation of God's word."

Skipp Porteous, Freedom Writer publisher, commented: "As the founder
and chairman of the Christian Coalition -- a group dedicated to
becoming the most powerful political force in America -- Robertson's
extreme ideas need to be taken seriously, for they not only negate
pluralism, but condemn to death those who dare to believe
differently."

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[W 4]******

Source: The Sunday Times
Date: Sunday 14 September 1997

A remarkable gaffe

A remarkable gaffe by Sheila Jackson-Lee, a Republican legislator
from Texas and member of a congressional space and aeronautics
committee, has Capitol Hill abuzz.

On a visit to the Mars Pathfinder mission control centre in
California she is reported to have inquired whether the space probe
had succeeded in taking pictures of the American flag planted by the
astronaut Neil Armstrong in 1969.

"We just don't teach enough science," lamented Vernon Ehlers,
another member of the committee.

[W 5]******

Source: CNN
Date: 4th September 1997

Japanese town becomes destination for UFO watchers

HAKUI, Japan (Reuter) -- If the day comes that aliens decide to land
on Earth, they could do worse than visit this little fishing town.

Long known for seafood and beaches, Hakui now draws tourists from
around the world for its obsession with UFOs, as the town's
UFO-themed restaurants, "pachinko" pinball gaming centers, bars and
hot spring resorts attest.

At the center of this celestial activity is the town's most popular
attraction, Cosmo Isle Hakui, a UFO and space museum shaped, of
course, as a large flying saucer.

The driving force behind the museum, located in Ishikawa prefecture's
rugged Noto peninsula along the Sea of Japan coast, is its director,
Johsen Takano, a scientist and UFO buff who has turned a lifelong
hobby into a paying job.

Takano's electronics background and leadership of the town's "mystery
club" convinced town fathers to cough up public funds to build the
museum, which opened in July 1996.

"We have three themes: space and space development, SETI or the
search for extraterrestrial intelligence, and then UFOs," Takano,
SETI and UFO Science Museum Habitable Zone Director, told Reuters in
an interview.

The economics of folklore

The museum has space-related equipment from the United States and
Russia on display, UFO-related materials, a library and a research
center. Information on UFOs includes aerial phenomena, alien
abductions, crop circles, UFO contacts and radio transmissions
related to SETI.

Vice director Takashi Ishiyama said local officials turned to UFOs to
revitalize the town after its population was decimated by an exodus
of young people to the cities.

"Usually governments wouldn't participate in this kind of thing. But
with our government's lead and attention from the mass media,
everyone started talking about the myths associated with this town,"
Ishiyama said.

The town, which boasts the most reported UFO sightings in Japan, is
steeped in "Alien" folklore and legend.

"There is one legend called 'shohachibun' which says cymbal-like
flashing lights were seen flying from one end of the mountain to the
other," said Ishiyama.

"Another legend tells of children being taken away in a big 'nabe'
(stew) pan while playing."

Ancient shrine holds clue to fascination

But it is the town's ancient Ketataisha shrine, regarded as one of
the four main shrines in Japan, that may hold the key to the town's
preoccupation with strange phenomena.

"Ancient documents kept in the town's Ketataisha shrine talk about
flashing lights in the sky and the hand of god controlling them. The
story has been passed down from generation to generation," Ishiyama
said.

Although there was opposition from residents at first to using tax
money for the museum, they finally came around to the idea as much
out of curiosity as the commercial possibilities.

Around the corner from the museum is the UFO ramen (Chinese noodles)
restaurant, which serves up a heaping bowl of noodles garnished with
little octopus balls shaped like aliens.

After a long day of sightseeing, visitors can also relax at the
town's "Euphoria" hot springs.
 

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A FEARFUL SYMMETRY

A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES

By D. Lynne Bishop

A FEARFUL SYMMETRY Copyright 1995 by D. Lynne Bishop

All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced,
stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any
means, electronic or mechanical including photocopying, recording or
otherwise without prior permission of the publisher, except by a
reviewer who may quote brief passages.

First Printing September 1995

Printed in the United States of America

BOOKFINDER PUBLISHING

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CHAPTER FOUR

By the time May 22 arrived, so many memories had flooded my mind, I
could scarcely organize them into a cohesive whole. I had remembered
strange events in my past, many as early as when I was three and four
years of age. Dreams that had long ago been stored in my subconscious
mind had surfaced, and many of them had an unusual "feel" to them--as
though they contained a reality not usually associated with normal
dreams. I began a journal in order to collect and correlate the
massive input, and added to it almost daily. The thoughts and
memories were very intrusive, and concentrating on day-to-day living
was difficult. Many of my friends and co- workers were beginning to
bear the brunt of my active search for answers. Several old phobic
tendencies that I had thought I'd conquered began to resurface: fear
of the dark, not wanting to be alone. I was not proud of the return
of aspects of myself that I deemed weaknesses, and hoped that they
were just temporary manifestations of the turmoil in my mind.

On the evening of the 22nd, my husband and I again met John Carpenter
and his assistant. I had been in contact with John regarding the many
memories and dreams I had been recalling, and we agreed that one
dream in particular seemed to have a direct relationship to the alien
abduction phenomenon. He felt it would be a good starting point for
the session, and would help to ease into the area in which I had
encountered the memory block in my first session. After a short,
relaxing pre-hypnosis discussion, hypnotic regression was induced,
and the events of several days, years ago in the past, began a
replay, with me as both a player and a bystander.

HYPNOSIS SESSION May 22, 1992

What follows, again, are excerpts from actual transcripts. The
hypnotherapist has induced regression, and set the time frame to the
"dream" sequence.

John: It's kinda around age nineteen or twenty, a time that you know
about . . . a time that means something to you because you had what
you thought was a dream. The dream elements are very vivid in your
mind today . . . and you can recall the greatest detail . . . and
what is the very first thing that you're aware of?

Lynne: Hmm . . . (Subject smiled) . . . It's dinner time. I can smell
something cooking on the stove . . .

John: . . . and I'll bet you'll know just what that smell is.

Lynne: (Big laugh) . . . Hamburger-helper. We had a lot of that.
(Laugh).

John: And what else comes to you about that moment in time?

Lynne: Fleeting images of all of us walking through. The way the
house is situated--the kitchen is over here, and we had a sliding
glass door in the den area. It was actually a dining room. The living
room was around the corner.

John: . . . anything else you notice?

Lynne: It's nice weather, again. Another springlike, summery day.
Wednesday comes to mind. Mother and (my sister) are there, but (my
brother) had gone somewhere. He wasn't there at the time. The trees
are really in bloom, heavily--well, not bloom, but in leaf--really
heavy. It's not really hot . . . feels like June.

Mother is in the kitchen and I'm in the den, looking out the
backdoor. (My sister) is in the back of the house.

John: Why are you looking out the backdoor?

Lynne: Something flashed!

John: See it right now. See it as if it's happening right now . . .

Lynne: I'm opening the door. There are some cats on the back-porch,
and they scatter. There were a calico, an orange and a gray.

John: And what's the next thing you do?

Lynne: I'm moving pretty fast, and I scattered the cats. I run out
into about the middle of this little field area . . .

John: You do that every night?

Lynne: (Laugh) . . . No.

John: Why do you go out on this particular evening?

Lynne: Well . . . there's an object that's moving. I thought at first
it was an airplane. Sunlight glinted off of it, and I remember
thinking it was an airplane in trouble. I went out to see it . . .
but it's shaped wrong. It's definitely saucer-shaped, domed a little
with a flatter bottom. No markings . . . and it's silver. It keeps on
moving. I'm standing in awe. It's still moving, and I'm thinking,
"Why in the world haven't I run back inside?" There's no sound . . .
no lights. It's as large as the barn. It gets to the pond and makes a
sudden stop, then an abrupt move in the opposite direction. It's
coming back.

John: As you're standing there, what do you feel? What do you do?

Lynne: I'm scared. I begin hoofing it back to the house. Mom's
looking out the backdoor. She sees me coming, and I yell at her. She
opens the door, and I yell at her, "Mom, Mom, get inside! Shut the
doors! Lock up everything!" I didn't have to tell her the aliens were
coming; she just knew it.

John: What do you notice about it, now?

Lynne: It's landed just a hair . . . the barn is about seventy-five/a
hundred feet away. It's between the house and the barn. It didn't
exactly land--It's hovering off to the right. There are some fruit
trees there. It's only about fifteen or twenty feet up.

John: And what are you all doing now?

Lynne: We're all scrambling. Mom and I are talking a-mile-a-minute.
I've gotten in the door and turned around. I see . . . one of the
occupants floating down! He's floating down from the front left of
the craft. It's a very controlled movement, smooth, like a feather
falls.

John: What does the occupant look like?

Lynne: Big head, small body. Oversized head. Its eyes are liquid
pools, black and endless. Like a deer's eyes. It's only a few inches
in front of me now. It isn't wearing anything. Its skin is the color
of a gray crayon and white crayon, if you blended them. The texture
is smooth, dry, resilient like rubber. It's got a very pointed
chin--really sharp. No ears or hair.

John: Where are your mother and sister at this point?

Lynne: My sister is down the hall. I keep feeling like she was in one
of the bedrooms, toward the back. I almost got the feeling she was
asleep, and I don't know why . . .

Mom and I are both in the den. And it's like time has stopped. We're
just kind of frozen. Mom and I are both facing the backdoor, and (my
sister) is stuck in the hall.

John: Notice what happens next.

Lynne: There's a . . . one of them is real close to me. He was
outside one moment, and in the next. I never see them walking . . .
They just glide! There are others in the house, but the one near me
came through the door, but not like we would. I can see him behind
the glass, then his hands, arms and body just come through. I get a
sense of five, but the others came into the house from somewhere
else. I didn't see them come through. The one near me is too close to
me, and I don't want him there . . . !

John: What are you aware of now?

Lynne: I've been here before . . . the gray room. My mom and sister
aren't here. There are a couple of creatures with me, one to either
side. There is such a wall . . . no doors or windows.

John: Go on, share it with us . . .

Lynne: (Pause) . . . I see myself pregnant. There's a table . . . I'm
standing near it.

John: (At this point, my agitation was becoming apparent. The
hynotherapist took several seconds to restore calm and assure me that
no harm would or could occur.) Go ahead, you can be safe about all
this . . . you can know the feelings, but not relive the intensity .
 .

Lynne: I see them helping me onto the table, and I'm lying down.
There's a tall one over here, at least a foot taller. He looks
different from the smaller ones. I don't sense any communication
right now, but I know why I'm there, anyway. I have something they
want. When I left there, I wasn't pregnant.

John: So, as you lay on the table, what happened?

Lynne: A couple of the small ones are staying near my shoulders. One
of them keeps rubbing my head, on the left side. It relaxes me. I
feel pressure on my legs, like a molded form has come around the
inside of my legs. The tall one is down at my feet.

(Through continued questioning, it became apparent that an operation
was performed by the taller entity. From the description, it appeared
to bear a resemblance to a fetal extraction.)

John: After this is over, what are your thoughts? How do you feel?

Lynne: . . . (Crying) . . . a feeling of emptiness. I just want to
know, why? Why? I just want to go home.

John: (Again calming the subject and assurances of well-being) . . .
Did they communicate anything to you?

Lynne: I'm too woozy to communicate. The little ones are working on
bringing me back into some calm . . . and I feel a languor, a
lassitude. They take me past some consoles with glass tops. I get the
sensation that it was necessary, that they've been doing this so long
we should know by now--should understand why they're doing it . . .
like a teacher to a first grader. The sense that we're pretty
ignorant . . .

John: Let's back up for a minute--when you left the house, do you
recall how you left?

Lynne: Oh, that's freaky! I was floated out . . . I hope they opened
the glass door, 'cause I don't think I can go through that. But I
don't remember them opening it. I think I went through it.

John: And at the end, when you returned to the house, how did you
return?

Lynne: A couple of them escorted me back. We floated down from the
craft, and they let me walk to the house. When we reached the house,
they were a little behind me, and to either side. They didn't
walk--they were gliding. When we reached the door, I just knew I was
supposed to open it, and go inside. They stood behind me, on the
little porch area, but they didn't go in. Mom was still frozen.

John: Does it seem like the same moment in time when you returned?

Lynne: No . . . It's pretty dark now. It would have been about 6:00
P.M. before, and now it's close to 8:00 P.M.

John: Did you see them or the craft leave?

Lynne: No. I think they told me not to watch. They told me to forget,
and then shortly after that it was like Mom was finishing a
conversation with me, and (my sister) came into the den, like she was
completing her movement. None of us noticed anything; we just thought
we had been watching the cats.

John: For two hours!

Lynne: (Laugh). Yeah.

John: Okay, now at this moment, I want you to try to do something. A
while back you were on a table, when you and your mother were on a
craft, when you were together in a car . . . Flash to that room, to
that time . . . perhaps part of the answer lies in what happened
then. Can you remember that time and that table? (This referred to
the initial shared event with my mother, back in 1972.)

Lynne: Uh, huh.

John: What do you feel?

Lynne: Um . . . There's a little one . . . at my right shoulder . . .
touching my forehead above my right eye. It's cool . . . cool. There
are two tall ones. One of them got something from over by the wall .
 . it looks like a box. It's dark gray . . . chromium gray. One of
the tall ones is standing by my feet, and the other one is handing
the box to him. The one standing there is manipulating the box,
somehow. It's like . . . a compartment . . . He's moved a lid, or
lip, or something. I get the feeling they're conferring with each
other. There's no sound--just a mental exchange. It's a
mental-awareness type of thing--like one's sending and one's
receiving. It's like, one of them has done this before, and is kinda
 . . teaching the other one . The subordinate one has stepped back a
little . . . observing . . . taking notes. There's something . . .
that's in the container . . . the box. There's an instrument . . .
shaped like a tongue depressor, except that it's metal. There's
something else, like a test-tube . . . something that looks like
glass. It contains a liquid . . . cloudy, murky looking . . .

John: What do you notice?

Lynne: I don't think I'm going to like this!

John: (Induced deeper state of relaxation and assurances of
well-being). Tell us what you see and feel.

Lynne: (Description of an artificial insemination followed.)

John: When they're done, then what happens?

Lynne: The little one . . . is helping me get up. I feel woozy and
drugged.

John: Does anybody tell you anything?

Lynne: They "tell" me, "This is how we breed." And they say they'll
be back. They're happy . . . it's like this is what they live for.
And I keep asking them, "Why?", but they don't answer me. They just
tell me, "It's not the time to know."

---D.L.B.

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