In this paper we shall look closely at a number of objections raised against Srila Prabhupada remaining the diksa guru for ISKCON in relation to the eternal principles of guru, sadhu and sastra. We shall show that the continuance of Srila Prabhupada as the diksa guru for ISKCON is in total harmony with these principles, and that specifically with regards Srila Prabhupada's books, it is an unavoidable natural consequence of our theology. We shall demonstrate that Srila Prabhupada's position as the diksa guru for ISKCON cannot but prevail if our preaching is properly in line with Srila Prabhupada's teachings.

One common objection to keeping Srila Prabhupada as ISKCON's diksa guru, through the use of representatives as outlined in the July 9^th letter, is that it is not supported by 'guru, sadhu and sastra'. There are two forms to this objection:

One point which is often missed by those who quote this 'guru, sadhu, sastra' principle, is that if the guru is bona fide, then his teachings and instructions will automatically be in line with sadhu and sastra:

Since Prabhupada, of course, is such a bona fide guru, a fact that is not disputed by anyone in ISKCON. Thus we know that when we follow the orders of Srila Prabhupada, the bona fide guru, sastra and sadhu will automatically be satisfied.

If we accept any generally applicable teaching or instruction issued by Srila Prabhupada we are automatically, by definition, situated in line with sadhu and sastra. Such teachings and instructions, when issued by a bona fide guru, are all 'vedic version', sastric or as good as scriptural evidence (as long as we only accept a 'mukhya vritti', or face-meaning interpretation of them) and are thus accepted by all genuine sadhus as proper and sublime. It is thus not necessary to try and satisfy each of these three elements separately. To argue, as some have done, that we must check Srila Prabhupada's teachings against the opinions of other sadhus, or with some lesser mortal's limited understanding of sastra, is tantamount to arguing that Srila Prabhupada is not actually a bona fide guru. After all, only a bogus guru would propose something which was not in line with sadhu and sastra.

Having established this point, let us now return to (A) and (B) above.

Furthermore, we can know if a teaching is against sadhu and sastra simply by testing if it violates the teachings of the guru. Since, thus far, no one has been able to locate a single teaching or general instruction from Srila Prabhupada that the continued application of the ritvik system would contravene, the ritvik system cannot be against 'guru, sadhu and sastra'. Thus objection (B) is also shown to be false.

The above is a common objection to the arguments that have been put forward in favour of re-instituting the ritvik system. These arguments are sometimes presented by the GBC and their apologists as some sort of alien 'philosophy', or 'vada', which is nowhere to be found in Srila Prabhupada's books, and is therefore bogus. Although this is just a variation on objection (a) above, since an institutional directive is still the word of the guru, let us nevertheless explore what IS stated in Srila Prabhupada's books. (Please note that in doing this one could also argue that we are satisfying the 'sastra' part of the 'guru-sadhu-sastra' equation, since Srila Prabhupada's books are of course sastra.)

Before we can discuss the lack of reference to the so-called 'ritvik philosophy', we must first define exactly what the 'ritvik system' involves. There are two principal aspects:

We know for a fact that aspect a) was implemented and directly approved by Srila Prabhupada before he left the planet, and that this system is not specifically mentioned anywhere in his books. So immediately the argument that the ritvik system must be rejected, simply because it is not specifically described in the books, is proven to be false, since its bona fide operation 'pre-samadhi' is not mentioned either.

To get around this, the GBC would need to locate the following sastric rule:

Leaving aside the fact that this rule is clearly a concoction, with no authority from Srila Prabhupada, we can immediately point to bona fide 'post-samadhi' activities that are also not mentioned in his books, such as managerial details surrounding the functioning of the BBT and the GBC.

To overcome this anomaly the GBC would need to locate the following sastric rule:

The following rule would then logically follow:

Again leaving aside the fact that the above rules are concocted out of thin air, we also now have the added complication that the GBC's classification of what constitutes management may also be inaccurate.

Even accepting this two-level arbitrary system of rules, we know for a fact that the 'method of initiation' employed within ISKCON has in the past fallen under the umbrella of management since the GBC, the ultimate managing authority for ISKCON, passed related resolutions when Srila Prabhupada was still on the planet:

The use of representatives for the 'purpose of performing initiations' within the ritvik system is clearly another 'method' which was to be employed within the institution. As shown above, such methodologies were all part and parcel of ISKCON management. This is not in dispute since even to this day ISKCON accept that the issue of when and how initiations can take place is a management issue, to be controlled and voted on by the GBC.

Being that all the above rules are concocted, the GBC's position suffers from self-referential incoherence; since, in claiming to enforce Srila Prabhupada's real instructions on initiation the GBC would need to invent all kinds of intellectual structures which were never once 'instructed' by Srila Prabhupada! So from every angle of vision, there is no legitimate objection to aspect a) of the ritvik system.

Let us look once more at aspect b) of the ritvik system.

Aspect b) The guru gives initiation even though he is not on the same planet as the disciple.

To object to the ritvik system in relation to Aspect b) is to assume that the distance between the guru and disciple, at the time of diksa initiation, is somehow profoundly significant. Now, in proposing that aspect b) must be explicitly mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's books in order for such initiations to be bona-fide, the GBC are proposing yet another concocted sastric rule which would go something like:

By studying Srila Prabhupada's books we find there is no mention of all these possible distances between gurus and disciples at which initiation can legitimately take place. Distance is never an issue as far as diksa transmission is concerned. As far as we know no previous acarya ever used sophisticated measuring equipment to ensure he was within the correct radius of his prospective disciple's ceremonial fire pit. Again to get around this problem, the GBC would need to come up with the following sastric rule:

As before, the above inclusive sastric allowance for all possible earth bound distances has no mention in Srila Prabhupada's books. Such a rule does not exist in bhagavat philosophy.

In fact in the most famous example of diksa transmission in Srila Prabhupada's books we have evidence of inter-planetary diksa taking place:

The GBC would then be forced to concoct the following sastric rule:

The above rule is also absent from Srila Prabhupada's books, and hence does not exist in our philosophy. As mentioned previously, the GBC's proclivity to invoke non-existent sastric rules is itself an example of self-referential incoherence, and thus renders their position philosophically untenable.

Perhaps the biggest flaw in such an approach, at least as far as clear thinking is concerned, is that the GBC has decided in advance what the truth must be, regardless of what Srila Prabhupada's books actually state. They determine what the books should or should not contain based on what they have already decided is the truth. A vigorous knowledge filter is thus in place, whereby devotees are only seeing in Srila Prabhupada's books the things they are told they should see. For example, many times we have heard the most senior 'gurus' in the movement stating categorically that one must have a 'living guru'; and yet this is never once stated anywhere by Srila Prabhupada. Not only does no-one challenge such statements, but more frighteningly, devotees have actually come to believe that these statements are truth, and that the truth is a lie!

Ultimately we are dealing with institutionalised circular thinking:

Then regardless of what is in the books a conclusion is reached:

For our own sanity let us see what is actually stated in Srila Prabhupada's books with regards aspect b). When we do we see that the only consideration for taking initiation is that the spiritual master must be agreeable to the arrangement, and be the current bona fide link in the chain of disciplic succession:

There is certainly no mention that the above stated principles must be modified by a consideration of the distance between the guru and disciple at the time of initiation. On the contrary the desire of the guru is the paramount factor:

Thus the real sastric rule is to get initiated by the bona-fide spiritual master who is the current link. This is the actual principle. This is what Srila Prabhupada taught.

The ritvik system was set up personally by Srila Prabhupada in order for future devotees to take initiation from him as their bona-fide spiritual master. It is the GBC who have proposed a MODIFYING RESTRICTION to this general principle of taking initiation from the bona-fide spiritual master. Their sastric rule in this regards appears to be along the lines of:

Thus it is this MODIFYING RESTRICTION that needs to have specific mention in Srila Prabhupada's books, not the so-called ritvik system, which is simply following the general process of initiation mentioned throughout the books and perpetuated by an explicit final order.

When we look at the curious features of this RESTRICTION, we wonder how anyone could possibly take it seriously:

• Notice how the RESTRICTION is so specific - not only in terms of distance - but also in terms of time - only at the exact moment of initiation does IT apply. After the initiation yajna takes place, this over-riding need to be within this arbitrary distance, is for some reason no longer relevant.
• Notice also how the restriction serves no discernible purpose. The Guru does not need to: perform pariksa, accept the disciple, chant on the beads, give the spiritual name, give the gayatri mantra or perform the fire yajna. He must simply be existing on the same planet!! And even then ONLY for the exact moment the initiation takes place. Thus the RESTRICTION appears to exist just for the sake of existing - it serves no practical purpose whatsoever.
• Further the whole non-material spiritual nature of the Guru-disciple relationship, as described in Srila Prabhupada's books, in any case renders this RESTRICTION absurdly obsolete, as the following quotes will demonstrate:

Since the elements of initiation, or diksa, are not in any way related to physical considerations, we thus have clear evidence from Srila Prabhupada's books that physical distance is not a consideration to the successful transmission of diksa. Also, by his own practical example, Srila Prabhupada demonstrated that diksa could occur without any physical contact either before or after the initiation. So from every angle of vision there is no legitimate objection to aspect b).

To summarise this section, we have shown that any instruction from Srila Prabhupada must automatically be in line with guru sadhu and sastra since he is a bona fide spiritual master. We have also shown that the two principal aspects of the ritvik system do not in any case violate anything in Srila Prabhupada's books, indeed the system is fully supported by the basic principles of guru tattva elucidated therein.

In their attempt to denigrate the ritvik system devotees often claim that only the M.A.S.S., is fully sanctioned in Srila Prabhupada's books. In this section we shall look closely at precisely what system, if any, is alluded to in Srila Prabhupada's teachings, and see if it is compatible or not with the continued application of the ritvik system. When one studies Srila Prabhupada's books the following points become apparent:

1. The candidate must follow 4 regulative principles and chant 16 rounds for 6 months.
2. If these requirements are met, he is automatically recommended for initiation by the Temple President.
3. Then the candidate will automatically become initiated by Srila Prabhupada.

1. Step c) above follows from the fact that the books are describing the exact system that was in place when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet - the system in which he was the sole initiator. Thus if we are to properly follow the books we would have to reconstruct the same system that was in place when they were written. That system had Srila Prabhupada as the ONLY INITIATOR. This is identical to the ritvik system.
2. It maybe argued that Srila Prabhupada was only describing the system as it was then, not necessarily the system that was to continue long into the future.

1. There is no mention of this relevancy restriction in the books themselves.
2. The instructions are given in a generic sense, and not restricted in applicability to any limiting time frame, i.e. - "In our Krsna Consciousness movement". There is no reason why someone receiving and reading this book now would not conclude that this system was still operative within the "Krsna Consciousness movement" TODAY. The only time limit implied in Srila Prabhupada's books is the duration of the "Krsna Consciousness Movement" itself.
3. Why would Srila Prabhupada describe a system that would only have relevance for 2 years, in books which were to remain the standard law for up to ten thousand years? (The Caitanya Caritamrta was only fully published in 1975).

It is quite clear Srila Prabhupada never said that the system of initiation, as described in his books, should be restricted to only when he was on the planet. Nor would we expect him to since, as mentioned above, his books were meant to guide the movement and humanity at large for up to the next ten thousand years. Significantly the GBC have never argued- either -that these initiation instructions were only applicable for whilst Srila Prabhupada was on the planet (unlike the July 9^th order); indeed they themselves have borrowed some of the details of it for their own concocted M.A.S.S. system.

One thing however, is for certain. The above quotes from the C.C., outlining the system of initiation within ISKCON, are definitely not applicable to the current guru system. In dissecting the M.A.S.S. we expose below a two stage multi-step process that differs radically from the system Srila Prabhupada sanctioned for ISKCON in his books:

1. New bhaktas first accept Srila Prabhupada as their principal SIKSA Guru for the first 6 months.
2. Srila Prabhupada's pranam mantra will be by chanted during this initial induction period.
3. During this trial period the bhakta must demonstrate his ability to follow the 4 regs, chant 16 rounds and attend the morning program.
4. By the end of these 6 months he must pass an examination.
5. Having passed these hurdles satisfactorily, the local temple authority will a recommendation to that effect.
6. The candidate is now qualified to enter stage 2.

1. Entry to Stage 2 signifies that one is ready and qualified to choose a guru.
2. However, the selection can only be made from a list generated through the GBC's elaborate majority vote 'no objection' procedures.
3. When ready, the candidate will make his choice and inform his local authority.
4. The candidate then requires the formal acceptance of his chosen guru.
5. Once this approval is obtained the candidate will change the pranam mantra being chanted to that of his newly chosen guru.
6. The purpose of stage 2 is for mutual testing between guru and disciple to determine each others qualifications.
7. One will then have to follow strictly for at least another 6 months.
8. At any time during stage 2, both the prospective disciple and guru can reject each other.
9. At the end of the second 6 month period the local authority must give his formal approval for the initiation to take place.
10. Even at this stage the guru, if he so wishes, can reject this recommendation and not proceed with the initiation.

Given a multiple acarya system, the elaborate procedural arrangements of stage 1 and stage 2 are absolutely essential. The far more streamlined system alluded to by Srila Prabhupada in the above C.c. quotes can only be applicable within a 'single-guru' system, where there is just one guru in the movement who is known to everyone, and who will automatically initiate anyone who is willing to follow strictly. This is why Srila Prabhupada makes no mention of the disciple needing to CHOOSE a guru and then obtain permission from the chosen guru before aspiring to him, or of the disciple needing a period to 'test' the guru; steps which would be essential in a new multi-guru system, and without which the system could not function. These stages could only be omitted if there was only ONE initiating Guru, who was always THE SAME PERSON, and who was ALREADY known to be bona-fide. It should be obvious that since such a singular system is described in Srila Prabhupada's books, descriptions which perfectly mirror the system in place when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet, that Guru being referred to must be Srila Prabhupada. Thus Srila Prabhupada's prescribed system differs completely from the current GBC guru system in both essence and detail.

It is also interesting to note that Srila Prabhupada's system was standardised, with initiations being granted automatically providing the basic rules had been followed. Srila Prabhupada is thus outlining a standard system for the duration of ISKCON that can ONLY have HIM as the initiator.

1. The system of initiation for ISKCON is only mentioned a handful of times in Srila Prabhupada's books.
2. When the system is mentioned it is not restricted to any time period.
3. Thus the system must be linked to when the books are in circulation, i.e. pre AND post 1977.
4. The system described must therefore be applicable both pre and post 1977, and the same system used pre- 1977 must continue.
5. The system described only matches a 'single guru system', not a 'multiple guru system'.
6. The system described assumes the Guru is a constant, since there is no requirement for selection, permission or initial acceptance.
7. Since this description matches perfectly the system in operation pre-77, it can only be referring to Srila Prabhupada as the guru, since he was the ONLY guru then - this is the ritvik system.
8. The descriptions in Srila Prabhupada's books are definitely not applicable to the current ISKCON system.
9. That future Gurus can change such a system is not mentioned, in fact it is impossible for them to legitimately do so for however long the 'lawbooks of ISKCON' remain valid.
10. One cannot argue that the exact details of the current ISKCON guru system do not need to be specifically mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's books without contradicting the original objection, i.e., that the ritvik system should be rejected since it is not mentioned in the books.

1. The Books definitely do not mention the current ISKCON guru system.
2. They definitely do mention a system that precisely mirrors the system in place when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet.

Thus the only system of initiation mentioned for ISKCON is the same system that was in place when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet. The same system we are proposing be re-instituted now. This is the ritvik system.

There is no mention that the system being described in the books will be invalidated as soon as Srila Prabhupada left his body. Nor is there any mention that the system was to be radically revised to accommodate new gurus as part of a new multi-guru system. On the contrary, the fact that the system is mentioned in ISKCON's 'lawbooks', is evidence that Srila Prabhupada wanted it implemented and continued within ISKCON.

One characteristic that denotes that initiation has been taken from a specific Diksa Guru is the fact that the initiation vows taken relate specifically to that Diksa Guru. These vows may differ greatly from one acharya to the next- on down the disciplic succession. Thus the 16 rounds and 4 regulative principles package that allow one to be initiated by Srila Prabhupada was unique to him and him alone. Srila Bhaktisiddhanata, his spiritual master, had insisted on 64 rounds. If one went back a thousand years one would find gurus in our line preaching a different philosophy, what to speak of initiation vows. Thus successive diksa gurus are not restricted to prescribing the same diksa vows. If a devotee is required to follow the vows given by a particular diksa guru then it can only mean:

In ISKCON we have a situation where some people are presented as successor diksa gurus to Srila Prabhupada. These successor gurus all follow, and are required to have their disciples follow, Srila Prabhupada's initiation vows. This implies the following sastric rule:

The above principle is enshrined in ISKCON law. No future ISKCON guru can legitimately alter these basic initiation vows. This situation will remain for as long as the society exists, which could be up to ten thousand years.

In point of fact the above concocted rule violates Srila Prabhupada's teachings:

Earlier we saw how, in his books, Srila Prabhupada insisted that all future initiated disciples must be following his prescribed diksa rules and regulations.

This point is made again in his last will and testament:

1. That all future disciples were to be initiated by Srila Prabhupada:
2. That all future initiations were to be conducted by persons who could not function with the basic freedoms and rights Srila Prabhupada taught were available to all bona fide initiating acaryas. They would be restricted to initiating their own disciples employing identical terms and conditions to Srila Prabhupada, for the next ten thousand years.

Please note that though there is nothing to prevent one acarya having the same initiation standards as the previous acarya, it is not obligatory - there is a choice. However, Srila Prabhupada has specifically set up a situation in his society in which there is no choice whatsoever.

It seems that within ISKCON, the type of entities we have presently initiating bare little resemblance to the current-link diksa gurus Srila Prabhupada describes in his books. These ISKCON 'entities' are required only to enforce the diksa terms and conditions of their predecessor acarya, Srila Prabhupada. These are the types of restriction one might expect in a system employing officiating priests, or ritviks, but not fully-fledged current-link initiating acaryas. According to the GBC then, we have the self-referentially incoherent situation whereby future prospective disciples are supposed to follow Srila Prabhupada's books, but must select diksa gurus who are not allowed the basic freedom expressed in these very same books!

It may be argued that Srila Prabhupada has given a standard that does not need to change for the next ten thousand years, and that that is why he has insisted on this standard for all future initiations. However this is simply avoiding the most obvious conclusion:

Srila Prabhupada would be contradicting himself quite badly if- on the one hand he asked all his disciples to become the next current-links (current GBC siddhanta) and then- at the same time deny them the freedom to change standards. As and when they saw fit; the basic prerogative of any current-link diksa guru. One would at least have expected Srila Prabhupada to mention that the above sanction to make changes to standards would not apply to any future diksa gurus within ISKCON. The fact that he did not do this further supports our contention that there were not meant to be any future diksa gurus within ISKCON- other than Srila Prabhupada.

In the first quote above Srila Prabhupada states that as far as initiation goes, everything is dependent on the agreement of the diksa guru. We then see Srila Prabhupada give that agreement via the July 9^th letter. Below he sets the parameters for all future diksa guru activity:

Thus according to Srila Prabhupada's books, any future theoretical 'diksa' gurus:

1. Could not alter diksa vows.
2. Could not alter pre-requisite initiation standards, or any other aspects of the initiation process.
3. Could not refuse any disciples initiation - as long as they followed the standards given in Srila Prabhupada's books.
4. Would not need to interact with, or give his permission to accept, any future disciples.

The above system is standard law for the next ten thousand years. This being the case those performing initiation cannot, by definition, be diksa gurus since- according to Srila Prabhupada's books- such entities could not have such restrictions imposed upon them.

EITHER of these proofs alone can be used to resoundingly demonstrate that Srila Prabhupada is the Diksa Guru for ISKCON.

All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!