Posted 11-3-00
"Detection of gamma-ray burst GRB 000131 at an extremely high red shift of 4.5 corresponds to a distance of about 11 billion light years away," said Hurley, whose results will be reported today at the Science of Gamma-Ray Bursts conference in Rome, an international colloquium on gamma ray bursts....
"It seems likely that the gamma rays were emitted in a narrow beam, like a searchlight, and we just happened to be in that line of sight," Hurley said.
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"Worldwide Legislators To Meet Pope" in Rome on 11-04-00
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~spirit5/letters/oct2000/chrissa1030-1.htm
"5 thousand legislators from all the continents will take part."
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FOX News: Thursday, November 2, 2000
Despite the explosion of a car bomb Thursday that killed two Israelis in Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was struggling early Friday to hold onto a peace agreement he had reached with the Palestinians late Wednesday....
Israel Stands by Truce
The Palestinian leadership issued a statement Thursday urging Palestinians to "stick to peaceful means" in protests, but it fell well short of the public plea to end the violence that Israel expected.
I am hoping to get some information that would refute the young pre trib theory. I know you have given this information out before to others...but once more for the sake of the hope that lies within us. Thanks so much for your labor of love. Love
However, what men say makes no difference one way or another. What the Lord says is what we have to go by. To me, the Bible is clear, and there are 2 Raptures, one for the Bride of Christ, the other for the rest of the Body of Christ, the Tribulation saints.
FIRST GROUP - SEEN IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE FIRST SEAL IS BROKEN
Rev. 5:8-10 says, "when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of SAINTS. And THEY (THE SAINTS) SUNG A NEW SONG (evidently accompanied by the harps), saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings (lit., a kingdom) and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth. In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1, verse 6 agrees. It says, "And hath made us kings (lit., a kingdom) and priests."
In 1:12,13, Christ is seen with the 7 candlesticks, which are the 7 churches (v. 20), around him. He still has the 7 star performers from among the churches in his hand, having just snatched them up.
John is one of the elders (II Jn. 1:1), as is Peter (I Peter 5:1). In Rev. 1:17, he said, "when I saw him, I fell at his feet as (symbolic language) dead." When the Rapture takes place, John will be among the dead in Christ. The 24 elders wear crowns (Rev. 4:4). In Mt. 19:28, Jesus told the apostles, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE THRONES."
The other 12 elders are probably the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel. Nu. 10:2-4 explains that Moses was to make 2 trumpets of silver. They represent the 2 trumps of God at the 2 Raptures. When 1 trumpet was blown, "then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee." That will be when the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD sounds in I Thess. 4:16,17, and we are "caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."
At the 2nd Rapture, both trumps of God will sound. Mk. 13:27 explains."then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the 2nd Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (to gather those already taken up in the 1st Rapture). Nu. 10:3 says, "when they shall blow with THEM (i.e., both of them), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation." This is when "ALL" the saints are gathered "To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb. 12:23).
SECOND GROUP - SEEN IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE 7TH SEAL BREAKS
Rev. 7:9,14 says, "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne...These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God."
The GREAT TRIBULATION is the last half of the Tribulation, the part that is to be shortened for the elect's sake. When the abomination of desolation is placed at the temple Mid-Trib, and the Jews have to flee, Mt. 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS (the 2nd 1260 days of the Tribulation) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS shall be shortened."
The day of the 2nd Rapture is also the day of Jacob's trouble. Dan. 12:1,2 says, "there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME thy people shall be delivered (Rapture 2), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."
This is when the "last trump" sounds in I Cor. 15:51,52. At that time, "ALL" the saints are in Heaven to receive their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
THE FIRST RESURRECTION IS IN RANKS
I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Christ, The Seed, was the 1st rank. He is the head of the Body of Christ. The rest of the sheaf of Firstfruits, those that came out of their graves after Christ was resurrected (Mt. 27:52), were the 2nd rank. The 1st Rapture will be the 3rd rank. The 2 witnesses will hear "Come up hither" (Rev. 11:12) Mid-Trib. They will be the 4th rank to ascend. The Tribulation saints will be the last rank in the first resurrection. By that time, ALL the Body of Christ will be in Heaven.
Some people say that the First Resurrection is not till the end of the Tribulation, but they forget that the two witness are called to Heaven Mid-Trib. They prophesy the first 1260 days.
The latter 1260 days get shortened to 1040. The time that the Jews can sacrifice is 1260 days. The total time that they can sacrifice, plus the time they can't, because the False Prophet desecrates the temple, is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) (1260 + 1040 = 2300).
WHEN GOD BLOWS THE FIRST TRUMP, HEAR YE
Isa. 18:3-6 says, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, see ye, when he (God) lifteth up an ensign (i.e., One World Government flag) on the mountains (kingdoms); and when HE (God) BLOWETH A TRUMPET, hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (SPRING), he shall both cut off the sprigs (that have fruit) with pruning hooks, and take away (cuwr, depart, pluck away, remove; i.e., catch up at the 1st Rapture) AND cut down (cut off) the branches (that don't have fruit). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the BEASTS (of Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."
The FIRST TRUMP (Rapture of the Bride of Christ) seems to be in the spring. Song of Sol. 2:10-14 agrees. It says, "My beloved (son of David, i.e., Christ) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. For, lo, the WINTER IS PAST, THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (turtledove) is heard in our land (i.e., Apr. - Oct); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and THE VINES WITH THE TENDER GRAPE GIVE A GOOD SMELL. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice" (singing the new song).
The words "of birds" and "places" are not in the original. The saints are to sing the new song after the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 5:9), and this is THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS. It is like Jacob's Ladder that reached from Earth to Heaven.
The LAST TRUMP (catching up the Tribulation saints) seems to be on the Feast of Trumpets. It is when "the great day of his wrath is come" (Rev. 6:17), but it is in Rev. 7:14, before the 7 trumpets sounded by 7 angels bring the wrath of God on Earth in Rev. 8. We can tell in many scriptures that the Day of God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.
Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." Joel 2:1-3 mentions the trumpet, the alarm, the day of the Lord coming, and the thick darkness of that day of God's Wrath. Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."
The 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth on the Feast of Trumpets after the saints are ALL safe in Heaven receiving their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel), and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY them (the unbelievers left on Earth) which destroy the earth."
There are 7 Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:11-13 says, "...they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."
It would be impossible for a Rapture to happen the day of Christ's return. If that was so, those saints would not be in Heaven to receive their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ. They would have God's Wrath poured out on them on Earth instead. That won't work. Rom. 5:9 says, "being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" (Rom. 1:18). I Thess. 5:9 says, "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
We are not to watch for the appearance of the False Prophet. We are "to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come" (I Thess. 1:10). Lu. 12:37 says, "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them." Titus 2:12,13 says, "denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious APPEARING of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." Agape
But we are still in a major window of possibility this year even though the major feasts on the modern Jewish calendar have passed..
Personally, I have always given in to those who look for the rapture on a major feast day and they may well be right; however, I have been most moved by the possibility of "as in the days of Noah," before the feast days were even established.
1. I have always been especially intrigued with Jesus' words about the rapture when He said it will be "as in the days of Noah." Except on Ascension Day when the angel said He would come back "in like manner," that may be the only place in the Bible that may give us a specific day of the year for the rapture. The flood came on the 17th day of the second month. When Moses wrote that, if he was using the only calendar given him by God in Exodus 12:1, that would be 17 Heshvan, or November 15, 2000 on the modern Jewish calendar.
On Rabbi Michael Rood's agriculturally corrected Hebrew calendar, 17 Heshvan would fall on about December 14, I believe. So we have a window this year extending to November 15 or December 14.
2. But, also on Rood's calendar, we still have: Tishri 1 = Feast of Trumpets: sundown Oct.28-sundownOct.29 Tishri 10 = Day of Atonement: sundown Nov.6-sundown Nov.7 Tishri 15-22 = Feast of Tabernacles: sundown Nov. 11-sundown Nov.12
Several possibilities there.
3. In past years we have seen some good reasons given for Hanakuh. That would be December 22-24 on the modern Jewish calendar.
Bottom line: We have a window of from October 28 through December 24 that could be possibilities.
4. Lot's deliverance is also a type of rapture. I was wondering if Scripture gives some kind of hint about the time of year Lot was delivered. I am not sure, but consider the following.
In reviewing Genesis 13 and 14, I noted that just before the two angels left Abraham and went on their way to Sodom, they said, "At the time appointed I will return unto thee, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE"(KJV).
For "time of life," the RSV says "in the spring." Some translations say "next year." But the Hebrew word for time of "life" here is "chay" (Strong's 2416). According to my lexicon, Chay means: 1a) green (of vegetation) 1b) flowing, fresh (of water) 1c) lively, active (of man) 1d) reviving (of the springtime)
The RSV is probably correct.
So, if when the angels left for Sodom they told Abraham they would be back in the spring, it seems to me this seems to imply that Lot's deliverance from Sodom may have been in the fall, the same time of year as Noah's deliverance from the flood, if Moses was using the Exodus 12:1 (sacred) calendar, which I suspect he was (but not sure).
Again, this seems to indicate that the rapture may be in the fall, following the pattern of both Noah and Lot. (Yet, when nothing happens in the fall, I am always expectant in the spring!)
With all this and with the heating up, near-war conditions in the Middle East, keep looking up!
Since it is a type of the 2nd Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, we may be able to figure out the most likely time. Lu. 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." It would be very like the Lord to do that at the same time of year when the fire will fall and destroy Babylon and Gog's army that is attacking Israel on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord.
On that day, Zech. 9:15,16 says, "the LORD shall be seen over them (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and his arrow (asteroid) shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET (the 'last trump,' II Cor. 15:51,52), and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. The LORD of hosts shall defend them (Israel); and they shall devour, and subdue with SLING STONES."
> > In reviewing Genesis 13 and 14, I noted that just before the two angels left Abraham and went on their way to Sodom, they said, "At the time appointed I will return unto thee, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE" (KJV).
> > For "time of life," the RSV says "in the spring." Some translations say "next year." But the Hebrew word for time of "life" here is "chay" (Strong's 2416).
Strong's 2416 says, alive; hence raw (flesh): fresh (plant, water, year), life. There may be a clue there--a fresh year. Tishri 1 is the beginning of the Jewish Civil Year. I think the time of life when Adam was created was the day before God rested on Tishri 1. Probably near 6:00 PM, Eve was taken out of Adam's side. The male and female of mankind were finished. God rested as Tishri 1 began at 6:00 PM, and this "kosmos" began to operate on its own.
"THE TIME OF LIFE" is used 4 times. I think it indicated that Isaac, and later Jesus, would be born on Tishri 1.
Gen. 18:10: " I WILL CERTAINLY RETURN unto thee according to THE TIME OF LIFE; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son."
Gen. 18:14: "Is any thing too hard for the LORD? AT THE TIME APPOINTED I WILL RETURN unto thee, according to THE TIME OF LIFE, and Sarah shall have a son."
II Ki. 4:16: " About this season, according to THE TIME OF LIFE, thou shalt embrace a son."
II Ki. 4:17: "And the woman conceived, and BARE A SON AT THAT SEASON that Elisha had said unto her, according to THE TIME OF LIFE."
Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN unto the earth." He came as the former rain, which starts on Tishri 1, at the First Advent. He will come as the latter rain, which starts on Nisan 1, at the Second Advent.
Eze. 29:17 gives the latter date as "the first month, in the first day of the month" (Nisan 1, Eze. 45:18,21). Then Eze. 29:21 says, " In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word, the Logos) in the midst of them; and they shall KNOW that I am the LORD."
To me, this leaves Tishri 1 as the First Advent, and "THE TIME OF LIFE."
This isn't to say that I think the 1st Rapture will be in the fall, just the 2nd one. Spring makes the most sense to me for the Pre-Trib Rapture. If we go by Cheshvan 17 (in the Civil Year, since the Flood was before Sinai), I will think I probably have to wait until next Ascension Day, the 40th day after the Feast of Firstfruits. Agape
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I would like to know if and when you have "prophesied" anything on your site.
This is preposterous to me! Could you help me speak the truth to them in love?
I've noticed since Penticost 2000 has past that fewer of the more rapture related readers,other than refering to the two part rapture subject, have not been presenting questions or info as frequently as prior to Penticost 2000.
Any way my question is, with the events occuring against the Jewish people in Isreal and other areas of the globe, should the war against the Palestinians and surrounding Arab neighbor's be so near that the tribulation starting next Penticost be considered to be withdoubt? Also, I have read that Turkey (considered to be part of the U.N.???) is seperating from the U.N. and joining league with the Arab nations, and opening trade and aid with Iraq. Is that prophetically connected?
Thank you Marilyn, I'd be lost (not spiritually) without you. I don't know anyone who believes in any of this to relate with on the prophetic subject. I still tell people about these things though, and changed a few habits , as you advised so I would be a part of the Philidalphia group,and not a chance of the Laodicean group. Thank you Marilyn!!! God Bless you and yours!!! AGAPE!!!
> > should the war against the Palestinians and surrounding Arab neighbor's be so near that the tribulation starting next Penticost be considered to be withdoubt?
I am not a prophet. I can't say that anything is without doubt unless I find scripture that says that plainly. However, I expect the 70th week of Daniel to start on the next Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001) and end 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) later (figured by Jewish inclusive reckoning), on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). I think that is the shortened Tribulation (Mt. 24:22). The whole 2520 days also have their application.
The shortened part is for the sake of the saints and so that all flesh is not wiped off the Earth. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take the Tribulation saints to Heaven just before the Wrath of God hits Earth. The extra 7.5 months give the Remnant that is going to live on into the Millennium time to repent and accept Christ. Then the Judgment of the Nations will take place. The sheep will live on into the Millennium. The goats will be removed (Mt. 25:31f).
What we are seeing now are probably the preliminaries leading up to the 7-year peace covenant. There are to be wars and rumors of war, but Mt. 24:6 says, "see that ye be not troubled." I intend to pray for Israel and Jerusalem on Nov. 1st, as Barbara Richmond has requested, but I will also ask that everything be according to the Lord's will. He knows best how things should go to bring about the fulfillment of his prophecies. He is in complete control.
> > I have read that Turkey (considered to be part of the U.N.???) is seperating from the U.N. and joining league with the Arab nations, and opening trade and aid with Iraq. Is that prophetically connected?
This is the first I have heard this. I can't think of any prophetic tie-in.
I'm glad you are ready. We just have to stay ready and bring as many to Christ as we can in these days of waiting to be caught up in the air to be with Christ in Heaven. Agape
Possibility both calling during the rapture
http://www.biblestudytools.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/gil.cgi?book=mt&chapter=21&verse=2
Donkey(ass) represent the Jews, colt represent the Gentiles
Possibility of a Pre-Trib Rapture.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/Commentaries/TheFourFoldGospel/tfg.cgi?book=mt&chapter=21&verse=2
Donkey represent peace, Jesus riding on donkey
THERE IS TWO RAPTURE!!!!! Man are you a inspirational lady or what
...Can you please explain the significance of the donkey
and colt. I got a strong feeling regarding this and
the coming of our Lord. Thanks
I can't see the ass and the colt representing Jews and Gentiles. On Palm Sunday, Jesus was fulfilling Zech. 9:9. It says, "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon AN ASS, AND UPON A COLT the foal of an ass."
We have to compare all the accounts to get all the details. There were 2 villages nearby, Bethphage (house of dates) and Bethany (house of unripe figs). There were 2 disciples sent to get 2 animals, emphasizing the number 2, because Christ comes 2 times.
Mt. 21:2-7 says, "Go into the village over against you (Bethphage, v.1), and straightway ye shall find AN ASS tied, AND A COLT with her: loose THEM, and bring THEM unto me.... Behold, THY KING COMETH unto thee, meek, and sitting upon AN ASS, AND A COLT the foal of an ass....the disciples...brought THE ASS, AND THE COLT, and put on THEM their clothes, and they set him thereon."
Jesus, THY KING," has 2 comings. I think the 2 animals represent these 2 advents. He probably did ride on each in turn to show that he will also be the Messiah riding the white horse at the Second Advent (Rev. 19:11). At the Second Advent, I think he will cleanse the sanctuary (Dan. 8:14). Sure enough, after he rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, Mt. 21:12,13 says, "Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of THIEVES."
As the 2300-day shortened Tribulation ends, the Beast and the False Prophet are the thieves. The Satan-possessed False Prophet, like Judas Iscariot, is "THE THIEF" in Zech. 5:4, upon whose house "the curse" (asteroid) will fall. The Beast is "him (the Tribulation Pope that claims infallibility) that sweareth falsely by my (the Lord's) name: and it (the asteroid, Rev. 18:21, 8:10) shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."
I think there are 7 months between the catastrophe of the 2300th day and the Second Advent. During this time, the Jews bury the dead bodies to cleanse the land ready for the Lord's glorious return (Eze. 39:12,13).
> > THERE IS TWO RAPTURE
Yes. The first "trump of God" is in I Thess. 4:16, the "last trump" is in I Cor. 15:51,52. The 1st group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, before the 1st seal is broken to start the Tribulation. The 2nd group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14, before the 7th seal is broken to unleash the 7 trumpet judgments on the unbelievers left on Earth.
The 7 trumpets are sounded by angels (Rev. 8:2), but these 2 trumpets are sounded by the Lord, one at the Pre-Trib Rapture, the other at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Zech 9:14-16 says of the last trump, "the LORD shall be SEEN over them (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and his arrow (the asteroid) shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD GOD SHALL BLOW THE TRUMPET (to catch up the Tribulation saints), and shall go with whirlwinds of the south. The LORD of hosts shall defend them (Israel, who is being attacked by Gog's army, Eze. 38); and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar. And the LORD their God shall save them (Israel) in THAT DAY (the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord) as the flock of his people: for they shall be as (figurative language) the stones of a crown (Rev. 12:1), lifted up as an ensign upon his land (Israel)." Agape
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