Posted 11-29-00
Could this be a type of Israel's giving power to the Beast to rule over them on the Feast of Weeks in 2001? I think that day will also be the 1st day of the 2 witnesses' 1260 days. I expect the Holy Spirit to fall on them like rain to enable them to prophesy during those days. Does He need to depart previously so he can come back to empower the 2 witnesses on the Feast of Weeks? I'll get back to this later.
The Feast of Firstfruits is the firstfruits of the barley harvest, and the Feast of Weeks is the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. Near the Exodus, Ex. 9:31,32 says, "the flax and the barley was smitten: for the barley was in the ear, and the flax was bolled. But the wheat and the rie (rye) were not smitten: for they were not grown up." Ex. 34:22 says, "thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest."
Christ's 2 comings are as the former and latter rain, Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, but Jer. 5:24 says that "he reserveth unto US the appointed WEEKS of the harvest." This would be the barley harvest that starts on the Feast of Firstfruits. Jer. 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in HIS season: he reserveth unto US the appointed WEEKS of the harvest." The appointed weeks are 7 sabbaths, or 7 weeks of 49 days. Lev. 23:15 says, "ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete." Pentecost is not part of this sabbath of weeks. It is the 50th day, not the 49th.
If the "weeks" are reserved unto US, does that exclude Pentecost, the 50th day for us? Pentecost is AFTER OUR WEEKS ARE OUT. Nu. 28:26 says, "Also in the day of the firstfruits (of wheat at Pentecost), when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, AFTER YOUR WEEKS BE OUT, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work."
Christ is the Seed, and the OT saints, that were raised on the Feast of Firstfruits (Resurrection Day) in 30 AD, are the rest of the sheaf of barley. Then is the whole Bride group barley and the Tribulation saints wheat? The parable of the wheat and tares in Mt. 13:24-30 refers to the end of the shortened Tribulation, when the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.
If we are barley, it makes sense that the 7 weeks are reserved for us. Boaz gave Ruth 6 measures of barley. In Ruth 3:15, Boaz "said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city." Is there a chance that Ascension Day, the 40th day of our 7 weeks, is the date of the Rapture?
In 5761 (2000/2001), the Feast of Firstfruits is Mon., Nisan 16 (Apr. 9, 2001). Counting the weeks by Jewish inclusive reckoning are as follows:
1st week = Mon, Nisan 16 through Sun, Nisan 22
2nd week = Mon, Nisan 23 through Sun, Nisan 29
3rd week = Mon, Nisan 30 through Sun, Iyar 6
4th week = Mon, Iyar 7 through Sun, Iyar 13
5th week = Mon, Iyar 14 through Sun, Iyar 20
6th week = Mon, Iyar 21 through Sun, Iyar 27
7th week = Mon, Iyar 28 through Sun, Sivan 5
Pentecost is the 50th day, Mon. Sivan 6
Ascension Day is the 40th day, Fri., Iyar 25, 5761 (May 18, 2001), IN THE 6TH WEEK. Friday is the 6th day of the week too. Do the 6 measures of barley given Ruth (the Gentile bride) point to the Pre-Trib Rapture on Ascension Day? That night, Boaz, the kinsman redeemer, winnowed barley on his threshingfloor. Was that because he was finished harvesting the barley? That is the night Ruth lay at his feet, and he saw her at midnight. Later, she became his wife.
The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Gen. 7:17 says, "the flood was FORTY DAYS upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare UP the ark, and it was LIFT UP ABOVE THE EARTH." These 40 days tie in with Ascension Day's 40 days.
Jesus said that it was necessary for him to go away so he could send the Comforter, the Holy Spirit. Jn. 16:7 says, "I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I DEPART, I will send him unto you." Is it also necessary for us to DEPART so the Holy Spirit can return on Pentecost to empower the 2 witnesses?
The more I think about it, the more Ascension Day makes sense for the Rapture. What do you think? Agape
I looked up verses mentioning wheat. Here is what I found.
In Ju. 6:11, Gideon threshed wheat. The "angel of God" (v.20), "the angel of the LORD" (Ju. 6:12,21), came to Gideon and told him, "Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites" (v. 14). In v. 34, "the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a TRUMPET," suggesting the Feast of Trumpets. After putting out the 2 fleeces to be sure that God would truly save Israel by his hand, Gideon did win over the Midianites in an unusual way.
Ju. 7:16-18 says, "he divided the three hundred men (that had lapped water like a dog) into three companies, and he put a TRUMPET in every man's hand, with EMPTY PITCHERS, and LAMPS WITHIN THE PITCHERS. And he said unto them, Look on me, and do likewise: and, behold, when I come to the outside of the camp, it shall be that, as I do, so shall ye do. When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the TRUMPETS also on every side of all the camp, and say, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon." Verses 20,21 tell us that "the three companies blew the TRUMPETS, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the TRUMPETS in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon (meaning one who cuts down). And they stood every man in his place round about the camp; and all the host ran, and cried, and fled." The Lord fought for them that day.
This puts threshing wheat near the Feast of Trumpets, when the asteroid (Rev. 8:8,10), the Sword of the Lord, will impact Earth and be shattered like these pitchers. The Lord will again fight for Israel (Zech. 14:3).
The Pre-Wrath Rapture will also take place on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. Thus, the threshing of wheat seems to last until about the Feast of Trumpets.
In Ju. 15:1f, I found that Samson slew 1000 Philistines with the jawbone of an ass at "THE TIME OF THE WHEAT HARVEST." Since one piece of the asteroid will strike the Mediterranean and destroy the coast (Zeph. 2:4,5) that was inhabited by the Philistines on the Feast of Trumpets, the wheat harvest seems to last until the Feast of Trumpets.
In Ruth 2:23, she "kept fast by the maidens of Boaz to glean unto the end of BARLEY HARVEST and of WHEAT HARVEST." Is the end of barley harvest Ascension Day, the Pre-Trib Rapture, and the end of wheat harvest the Feast of Trumpets when the Marriage of the Lamb takes place and the Tribulation saints called at the Pre-Wrath Rapture to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb?
I Sam. 6:13 says, "they of Bethshemesh were reaping their WHEAT HARVEST in the valley: and they LIFTED UP THEIR EYES, AND SAW THE ARK." Rev. 11:19 says, "the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was SEEN in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and THUNDERINGS, and an earthquake, and great hail." This takes place on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. This ties the wheat harvest to the Feast of Trumpets. It seems that the wheat harvest starts on Pentecost and its threshing winds up at the Feast of Trumpets.
I Sam. 12:17 says, "Is it not WHEAT HARVEST to day? I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send THUNDER and rain; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king." Saul is a type of the False Prophet that will be superceded by the reign David and the greater Son of David, Jesus Christ. Jer. 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."
I Chron. 21:15-20 says, "God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. And David lifted up his eyes, and saw THE ANGEL OF THE LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having A DRAWN SWORD IN HIS HAND stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces....And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was THRESHING WHEAT." This was when the angel of the LORD told David to "set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite" (v. 18). David bought the threshingfloor that day. This ties the Sword of the LORD in with the time of threshing wheat, and the Sword of the LORD will strike on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. Thus, I can see that the time of threshing wheat is tied to the Feast of Trumpets.
Jer. 12:12-15: "THE SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace. They have SOWN WHEAT, but shall REAP THORNS: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce ANGER OF THE LORD. Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them. And it shall come to pass, after (7 months later, Eze. 39:12,13) that I have plucked them out (on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets) I will return (Second Advent, following Nisan 1), and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land."
Mt. 13:30: "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." This seems to be the Feast of Trumpets, when 1st the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place, then the Wrath of God falls on unbelievers that same day. This agrees with Lu. 3:16,17: "he Christ) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the WHEAT into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with FIRE unquenchable."
Lu. 22:31: "the Lord said, Simon (meaning hearkening), Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat." Will the final sifting of the wheat that is hearkening run from Pentecost to the Feast of Trumpets, just as the shortened Tribulation begins on Pentecost and ends on the Feast of Trumpets 6 years later?
Note: I now understand why Jer. 8:20 says, "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved." The barley harvest starts on the Feast of Firstfruits and ends when the wheat harvest starts on Pentecost. The wheat harvest is over by the Feast of Tabernacles in the fall. Ex. 23:14-16 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread...And the feast of harvest (Pentecost), the FIRSTFRUITS of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering (Tabernacles), which is in the end of the year, when thou HAST GATHERED in thy labours out of the field."
Destruction; although inevitable seems to be no concern to those deluded to believe they will achieve immortal eternity in heaven for such dastardly acts against randomly targeted civilians. With supplies already infiltrating to the Palestinians from various surrounding Arab neighbors; it certainly doesn't stretch the imagination too much to see an individual (likely Jumblatt as Frank Caw hypostulates) will arise as the savior of the Palestinians; invade Jerusalem and take over as a more popular and youthful military leader of the Arab nations and soon to be the world as the next phase of confirmation of the 7 year peace treaty is signed next year. It could be though that God will take us to the brink and once again relent of the events about to transpire; once again delaying the Rapture and the end time events as according to His will. It certainly appears that whoever is President over this country will have a real nightmare and time of testing as to the events in international affairs--and perhaps internally as well with likely increases in terrorism and a long term economic downturn which the fall of stocks in recent months seem to indicate. With months on your schedule hypostulated for the Tribulation to begin remaining from this date until May 2001-I don't need once again to remind you of all the failures; all the predictions and visions which have been wrong in the past as to when this event would occur. I still kind of feel that Israel with the current strife is by no means any time in the short term suddenly going to revert to a land of peaceful villages; without walls and be the recipient of some surprise attack from Gog of the north-as will happen in the Tribulation. I still feel it is becoming obvious that the beginning; not the end of the final generation could be very close-which would occur after Israel is able to defeat all the neighboring enemies; and finally acquire ALL the territory-truly being branched forth and prosperous as the Prophecies seem to indicate--as well as economically succeeding with the vast deposits of natural resources as yet largely unused in the area (natural gas and oil as examples). And Jerusalem at that point could be the Capitol of the world. Surely not before there is destruction of the whole host of enemies will Israel be able to BEGIN its final generation in my opinion. Then they would feel secure and safe and be ready to dismantle their military. For their to be a spoil for the Russians to ultimately go after-it will have to be when the land is as "Eden" and utilized more to its potential. This surely could happen within days or weeks or months after Israel has conquered it's enemies...and the Lord could still come any day now thus making the seal judgment number two the coming Arab invasion with succeeding ones coming right after the other in the first part of the Tribulation which would have already begun. Even if certain events occur first; it may be only a few years-or maybe 10-40 depending what God's timing is...between the obtaining of it's inheritance (Israel's promised territories assigned by God) and the Rapture/beginning of the Tribulation if we are about to BEGIN the final generation rather than ending it.
Oh well just some food for thought. Another way of looking at things of course is that if there was a kingdom of the angelic/demonic beings for like millions of years before Adam; we are in the last days anyway-even if it takes another few hundred years or more for Christ to come for His church. Agape
I think God made his plans before this world began, and they will take place right on time. He is omniscient and knows all things before they take place. He knows that Israel will not turn to him until the Day of God's Wrath. Isa. 66:8 says, "Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." As I see it, Israel has until that covenant is confirmed to stop the Tribulation by turning to God as a nation. If that fig tree does not show fruit, the Tribulation will take place. As soon as the covenant is confirmed, I think the die is cast and there will be no stopping it.
> > I still feel it is becoming obvious that the beginning; not the end of the final generation could be very close-which would occur after Israel is able to defeat all the neighboring enemies; and finally acquire ALL the territory-truly being branched forth and prosperous as the Prophecies seem to indicate
To me, there is no way that the last generation could start any time after Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967 and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. That was the first time. How could it be fulfilled after that? If it is fulfilled, it is a done deed. Why were we to watch? What is the major thing that we were watching for? I think the Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age. If you miss that, you have no way of tying end-time events to our calendar. You are adrift on the seas, and have no anchor.
A generation was demonstrated to be 40 years. In Mt. 23:36, Jesus told the Pharisees in 30 AD, "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." They did, in 70 AD, and in our days, 1967 + 40 = 2007. I see no way of changing that. From Joel 2:1-3 and many other scriptures, we can tell that the Day of God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets, which is Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).
From Dan. 8:13,14, we can tell that the time that the Jews are allowed to sacrifice, plus the time that they can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple, are 2300 days. When we count back from the Feast of Trumpets in 2007, using Jewish inclusive reckoning, we find that the 70th week of Daniel starts on the very appropriate Feast of Weeks in 2001.
The date of Tishri 1, 2007 is also locked in place by the 7 months that Israel will bury the dead (Eze. 39:12,13) after the Day of God's Wrath to cleanse the land for the glorious return of Christ on the following Nisan 1. For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, that year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, and 5768 is a leap year. About every 3rd year is a leap year, so this Feast of Trumpets cannot be slid back a year or forward a year. Besides that, the 2300 days does not come out right in just any such set of years. You may not, but I expect the Tribulation to start on Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001) and the shortened Tribulation to end on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).
> > for the Russians to ultimately go after-it will have to be when the land is as "Eden" and utilized more to its potential.
Israel won't be as well off as you think until after Christ returns.
This surely could happen within days or weeks or months after Israel has conquered it's enemies
Israel will not conquer her enemies on her own. The Lord will step in and do that when Israel is totally helpless. Read Zech. 13 and 14.
> > the Lord could still come any day now thus making the seal judgment number two the coming Arab invasion
The 1st seal is not broken until after Christ receives the Title Deed of the Earth after the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Rapture is in Rev. 4:1. The book is given Christ in Rev. 5. The Tribulation starts when he breaks the 1st seal in Rev. 6.
> > it may be only a few years-or maybe 10-40 depending what God's timing is...between the obtaining of it's inheritance (Israel's promised territories assigned by God) and the Rapture/beginning of the Tribulation if we are about to BEGIN the final generation rather than ending it...if it takes another few hundred years or more for Christ to come for His church.
I don't see how we could be about to BEGIN the last generation. I also don't see how the Rapture could be another 40 years from now, or a few hundred years from now. Do you read the end-time prophecies and listen to the news? Everything is falling right into place. If you can't understand the prophecies, please get ready, just in case it is soon. You can't go wrong that way. Also Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Agape
I did a calculation on an Excel Worksheet and took the Six-Day War of 1967 up 40 years (One Bible Generation), and then deducted the 2300 days and came up (with the first calculation done on actual time and the latter on 360-day year time), and discovered a date of January 5, 2001.
***From Nisan 8, when Jesus came to Bethany before Palm Sunday, to Av 10 (Josephus, Wars, VI. V. 5), when the temple proper was burned, was 40 years plus another 120 days. In our days, from Iyar 28, when the temple area was regained in 1967 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 is 40 years plus another 120 days.
***We know that the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath is on a feast. Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn FEASTS; and one shall take you away with it." Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for THE DAY! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY (Christ, Rev. 1:8) shall it come." Joel 2:1,2 shows that it is the Feast of Trumpets. It says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38); there hath not been ever the like (the OWG or UN army, 'all nations,' Zech. 14:2), neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations." It is the day of Jacob's trouble.
***If you count back the 2300 days, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), you find out that the 70th week of Daniel starts appropriately on the Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001). That is the day I expect the covenant of Dan. 9:27 to be confirmed by the Beast, False Prophet, and the UN.
In the Book of Revelation there's a 10-day period of time where Jesus counsels people to "be faithful unto death." That could be a remnant left behind that missed the Rapture because they weren't quite ready
***Why weren't they told to repent if they were not ready?
but with AWWI beginning 10 days later 1/4 of the earth will have a chance to be "faithful unto death."
***I don't think the Beast could ride in on a white horse as a prince of peace if there would be war over 1/4th of the Earth 10 days later. Each seal up until the shortening seems to be broken about one a year. At the shortening, the 6th seal is opened on the last day of this Age, and the 7th is opened the next day, on the 1st day of the Millennium. There will be some war in the 2nd year, when the 2nd seal is broken, and more Mid-Trib, but the big battle for Israel is on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord.
Subtracting that 10 days from January 5th takes us to December 25th. That's the date of Christ's conception per many calculations, with the date of birth being Feast of Trumpets.
***If the birth of the Christ child was as I think, on Tishri 1 (Sept. 8, BC 5), and we count back the 280 days of gestation, I think we come out on the 4th of December. The 25th was the birth of Tammuz, the pagan Sun god, and the Saturnalia festival was kept that day.
Hosea 6:2 says there's 2 days or two thousand years between Christ's first and second comings...
***Hos. 5:15 and 6:1-3 says, "I (Christ) will go and return to my place (Ascension Day, 30 AD), till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction (Day of Jacob's Trouble) they will seek me early. (Now Israel speaks) Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days (2000 years) will he revive us (Israel, fulfilled in 1948, 2470 years after they went into captivity): in the third day (millennium) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD (the Sign of the End of the Age appeared in 1967): his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (2nd Advent on Nisan 1, Eze. 29:17,21) and former rain (1st Advent on Tishri 1) unto the earth."
More interesting...on Jan. 5th is the holy day of Tenth of Tevet...when the Jewish Temple area was invaded & destroyed on "the first day."
***The Temple was burned on Av 10.
Quite a metaphor, as Job said "the secrets of wisdom are double to that which is."
Should the Jewish Temple Mount be destroyed in the One-Day War on January 5th, 2001, then it would take the Jews 10-40 days to rebuild the Third Temple.
***We will know Jan. 5, 2001. It is not far off.
The 2300 day timing is perfect, taking us to June of 2007.
A very famous writer said once you eliminate all other possibilities, whatever remains, however fantastic, must invariably be the truth. The tribulation must play out by June 2007.
A trick in the Intelligence Business is to make a matter so obvious it is very well hidden. Appears God did that.
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