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Posted 5-13-01

Very interesting article

http://watch.org/showart.php3?idx=11744&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1
Some Important Facts About Islam to Help Understand the Struggles in the Middle East, by Barbara Richmond

The Pope, Peace and the UN

Pope Makes Parting Plea From Syria for Just Peace, By Samia Nakhoul
5-8-01 DAMASCUS (Reuters) - Pope John Paul ended a historic visit to Muslim Syria Tuesday with a parting plea for Jews and Arabs to work for a just peace....

Addressing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who saw him off at Damascus airport before he flew on to Valletta, the Pontiff said the world was looking for signs of constructive dialogue.

"Many serious obstacles remain, yet the first step toward peace must be a steadfast conviction that a solution is possible within the parameters of international law and the resolutions of the United Nations," he said....

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Re: Saturn/Sun eclipse
I am an old man who got a late start on the computer technology, so most of the time I really don't know what I have and how to use it. However, as I mused with my StarNavigator--a software I got with a Meade Telescope a few years ago--I discovered I could print these views of the planets for any given day. If you will email me mailing address, I will send you these print-outs. Let me know any dates you are interested in and whether you want the stars or not. The planets are easier to see without the stars. In Him

My reply

That not knowing what you have and how to use it sure rings a bell. I'm 72, but have been using a computer ever since the Mac 512K came out. Nevertheless, at every stage, I just learn enough to do what I want to do. I usually don't know much about whatever else my programs will do. I used Word Handler to write my first book, MSWORD 3.0 to write the 2nd book, and Claris Works 4.0 to write the 3rd one. Word Handler failed to handle the words at 41 pages of Genealogy. I couldn't open the disk any more. I had no idea it had a 40-page limit. It's a good thing none of my chapters in my book overloaded it like that. That was the end of my geneaology project. Both of the last 2 programs would do MUCH more than what I used them for. WORD could make 2 pages with a center margin printed sideways on one sheet of paper so it could be folded in the middle, but I didn't learn how to do it. I would have if I needed to make one though. Any time, I'll sure tackle what I need, but never find time to learn much more. Never having enough time to do all I really want to do keeps me from trying to learn more. I love to learn new things, but my curiosity outstrips my available time.

Thanks a bunch for offering to make printouts for me. My address is below. These would sure be interesting to see, all at midnight and with stars, Sept. 18/19, BC 4043, Sept. 8/9, BC 5, Apr. 6/7, 30 AD, May 27/28, 2001, Sept. 12/13, 2007, and Apr.5/6 2008 AD. If the planets are represented by symbols, that's ok. I have a list of their symbols. Agape

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From: James Breznik
Re: Your Site
Lots of great info etc...but...you don't listen to the Lord Much do you?

***As much as I can. He spoke to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God." He put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said, publish and conceal not. I have been doing my best to do what he wants me to do, and have studied the Bible as deep as possible for 40 years. I could be wrong, but you sound like instead of listening to the Lord a lot, you are listening to Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel a lot. Watch out that you don't get tricked. He mixes up truth with untruth. Stick to the Bible so you will know what is right and what is wrong.

"Immediately AFTER The tribulation of those days...and He shall send his Angels to Gather His Election From the Four Corners of the Earth "Matthew 24:29

***That verse takes place on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14). You misquoted it. Mt. 24:29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken." Verse 31 says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." We are already in Heaven and are being gathered to the assembly, because that is the day that Christ is crowned, the Marriage of the Lamb takes place, and we all get our rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ. I think that day is Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

***The shortened Tribulation lasts 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14). Counting backward by Jewish inclusive reckoning, we find that the Tribulation should begin Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001). I am hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture in the night before the covenant is confirmed in the daylight portion of Sivan 6 (May 28), Jerusalem time. Are you ready? After talking about the Rapture being as the days of Noah, Christ said, "BE YE ALSO READY" (Mt. 24:44). To go in the 1st of the 2 Raptures, Pre-Trib (first trump) and Pre-Wrath (last trump), we have to be accounted worthy to escape the Tribulation. Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The wise virgins are accounted worthy to escape before the Tribulation. The foolish virgins are left behind and will be caught up just before the wrath of God falls on Earth.

***Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation) with the UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." In Mt. 22, Jesus told of a man without a wedding garment. Remember that the Bride wears white. The man without a wedding garment was cast outside the door. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. That man was speechless. He thought he had it made when he didn't. He needed to confess his sins committed after he accepted Christ to bring them all under the blood of Christ. Christ told Peter that if he didn't wash Peter's feet, he would have no part with Him. We have to wash our feet and then we are clean every whit.

1 Corinthians 15:51...we shall all be changed...For At the LAST Trump...

***You must not have realized that if there is a last trump, there must also be a first trump. The last cannot precede the first, either. The last trump is the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints. It will be your Rapture if you are not accounted worthy to escape. The wise virgins have extra oil (Holy Spirit) in their vessels (bodies) with their lamps (the sealing of the Holy Spirit). Do you know how to get more oil? Read I John 1:9 and II Peter 1:4-11. Peter says that "by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature."

***You think that "last trump" is at the 7th trumpet of judgment, don't you? It can't be. The 7 trumpets are all trumpets of judgment that will hit the Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. God has not appointed his saints to receive His wrath. If you are going in the 2nd Rapture, I think you will be caught up in the night or early morning before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

Ezekiel 13:17-23...I AM Against your Teaching Souls to FLY to save themselves...

***I don't know that that means, but am very sure that it does not contradict the rest of God's word.

let's see...Last Trump...and After tribulation we Gather back ...and God is against teaching souls to fly to save themselves????

quit listenin' to liars/men and listen to the Lord and His Living Word. You and the rest of the rapture cowards will soon feel like fools when the fake shows up claimin' to be God/Jesus. No pretrib fly away for cowards. Good luck.

***And you will certainly feel foolish if I am right about the Pre-Trib Rapture. The indwelling Holy Spirit causes believers to be the salt of the Earth that hinders the appearance of the man of sin. We have to be caught up to Heaven BEFORE the man of sin can be revealed. As long as we are here, our salt retards the growth of leaven, as it does in bread making.

***We are to deal with other Christians in God's agape love. I Peter 1:22 says, "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently." Believers are all members of the Body of Christ. One is part of a hand. Another is part of a foot. There must be no warfare between members of the same body. Agape

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Re: Prophecy In Job?
I was reading in the book of Job, Chapter 5:19-23, which reads: 19 He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. 20 In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword. 21 Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh. 22 At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh: neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth. 23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee. 24 And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin.

Could these verses be prophetic?

I've got my spiritual bags packed and am awaiting our flight on May 27/28

My reply

I think they are prophetic. Verse 17 ties in with the Laodiceans. It says, "happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the CHASTENING of the Almighty (Christ, Rev. 1:8)." In Rev. 3:19, Christ says to the Laodiceans, "As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent." After the Pre-Wrath Rapture, we see in Rev. 7:14 that they have washed their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white, i.e., confessed their sins since they accepted Christ to bring them all under the blood of Christ, as in I John 1:9.

Verse 19's "He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee" sounds like it could be applied to the Tribulation saints. 2001 + 6 years of the trouble/Tribulation = 2007. Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001) + 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, puts the birth of the last foot of the Body of Christ on Tishri 1, 2007 (Sept. 13, 2007). I think that is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. No evil should touch the Body of Christ after that. At the "last trump" (2nd Rapture), we shall be changed, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (I Cor. 15:52,53)

"Thou shalt be hid" sounds like the Pre-Wrath Rapture. So does "neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh." I think the Tribulation saints will be caught up in the night or early morning before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact the Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). "And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation (Heaven), and shalt not sin" (having put on incorruption).

It looks like those caught up at the first trump (I Thess. 4:16,17) will "visit thy habitation" on the first day of the 2300. One foot of the Body of Christ is born into a new world a bit before the other foot. One foot on the first day of the 2300, and the other foot on the last day of the 2300 makes sense. Hope this is the time. Agape

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First time writer. The beast has seven heads in verse one of Chap. 13. If the anti-christ is the head that was mortally wounded in verse three then who are the other six heads? Wouldn't it be more correct to think of these heads as kingdoms rather then persons. Thank you for reading this and I hope you have time to answer.

My reply

> > who are the other six heads? Wouldn't it be more correct to think of these heads as kingdoms rather then persons.

The heads represent both kingdoms and their kings, as the head of gold in Nebuchadnezzar's dream represented both Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar (Dan. 2:37,38). Rev. 17:9,10 says, "here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are SEVEN MOUNTAINS (KINGDOMS), on which the woman (religious group) sitteth. AND there are SEVEN KINGS."

In Rev. 12:3, we see "a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." This dragon is Satan. He sets up 7 kingdoms and energizes the man in command of each. This picture is Mid-Trib, when the 7th head (the False Prophet, 13:11-18) comes to full power over the One World Government (OWG or UN) and the United Religions (UR).

In Rev. 13:1 this dragon rises up out of the "sea" (nations, Rev. 17:15) at the beginning of the Tribulation, when the 6th head (The Beast, 13:3-10) comes to power and the 10 kings are crowned.

In Rev. 17:3, we find that a woman (symbol of a religious group) sits on the great red dragon that has 7 heads and 10 horns. This view is at the beginning of the Tribulation. In v. 10, we find that 5 heads have fallen, the 6th "IS" and the 7th has not yet come. The 6th is The Beast of 13:3-10. The 7th is the False Prophet of 13:11-18. He will come to full power Mid-Trib. We already know from 13:1 that the 10 horns have crowns at the beginning of the 1st 1260 days of the Tribulation. Here, in 17:12, we find out that even though the 10 kings are crowned, they "have received no kingdom as yet." The Rapture has already taken place. Verse 14 says, "they that ARE with him (the Lord) ARE called, and chosen, and faithful."

The woman rides on all 7 kingdoms. The 7 heads all have the name of blasphemy, Pontifex Maximus, high priest of the Mystery Religion of Babylon. Rev. 17:5 tells us who this woman (religious group) is. It says, "upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." The MOTHER of the Mystery Religion of Babylon was the counterfeit religion set up by Nimrod and Semiramis under the direction of Satan at the Tower of Babel. Semiramis and their son Tammuz were worshipped as MADONNA AND CHILD. Images of this madonna and child were used. Nimrod was the Pontifex Maximus and Sun God. Tammuz was said to have been killed by a wild boar and come back to life. He was worshipped as the son of the Sun God.

At the time of the Rapture, the 6th head of the great red dragon comes to power over the OWG/UN and UR (United Religions). The Mystery Religion of Babylon rides on the 6th head, The Beast of Rev. 13:3-10, that comes to full power as the first 1260 days (Rev. 13:5) of the Tribulation begin. Since the name of blasphemy, Pontifex Maximus, is on this 6th head of the great red dragon, I think The Beast of Rev. 13:3-10 is the Tribulation Pope, who is made head over the OWG/UN and UR.

Rev. 13:4 says, "they WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" Who would make war with the Pope? Verse 8 says, "all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Knowing where the Mystery of Babylon originated helps us figure out which are the 7 kingdoms of Rev. 17:9-12. Egypt is not one of them. It says, "here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, (1. Babel, 2. Babylon, 3. Media-Persia, 4. Greece, 5. Rome) and one is (The Tribulation Pope, The Beast), and the other (False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (1040 days of the shortened Great Tribulation; Dan. 8:13,14, 2300 - 1260 = 1040). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth (Satan, i.e., the tail of the great red dragon, which inhabits the False Prophet), and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (the Tribulation Pope), he is the head (the 6th head of the great red dragon); and the PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES, he is the tail" (i.e.,inhabited by Satan himself).

Judas was one of the sons of perdition. In John 17:12, Jesus said, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the SON OF PERDITION (Judas Iscariot); that the scripture might be fulfilled. The other son of perdition is the False Prophet.

II Thess. 2:3,4 mentions the only other son of perdition (i.e., one who is Satan possessed). It says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (millennial Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (departure, the Pre-Trib Rapture) first, and that man of sin (False Prophet) be revealed, the SON OF PERDITION; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." Agape

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Re: The Open Scroll - Is This the Sign for the Church?
http://home.cwnet.com/crm/signchurch.htm
I would be interested in your response to this article. Are you familiar with this website. The times are truly exciting as the anticipation mounts as we approach Pentecost. "We shall see what we shall see." God bless

My reply

I have a bunch of the Open Scroll Newsletters Bob Schlenker sent me, but we do disagree in places. In this file, he said, "the sign for the church is the revealing of the lawless one." I don't agree with this. I think the Bride of Christ will be caught up to meet Christ in the clouds. Then, after the Pre-Trib Rapture, The Beast and the lawless False Prophet will confirm the covenant.

II Thess. 2:1-3 says, "we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming (parousia, a being near, presence) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering (episunagoge, complete collection, assembling, i.e., the Rapture) together unto him (in the clouds, I Thess. 4:17), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (NIV and major MSS have day of the Lord, i.e., the Millennium) is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departing, separation, i.e., the RAPTURE) FIRST, and that MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED (SECOND), the son of perdition."

Even though the False Prophet does not come to full power until the last half of the Tribulation, he will be revealed when he and The Beast confirm the covenant as the Tribulation begins.

II Thess. 2: 7 (Rotherham) is interesting. It says, "For, the secret, of lawlessness, already, is inwardly working itself,—only, until, he that restraineth at present, shall be gone, out of the midst." I take it that the man of sin can't be revealed until the restraining Holy Spirit in us "SHALL BE GONE, out of the midst" in the Rapture. Agape

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Re: WOW! just as you have been saying
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22539
A city for 'end times,' by Anthony C. LoBaido Is Petra hiding place for Israeli remnant during Armageddon?...A rose-red city, half as old as time."--From "Petra" by Dean Burgen

PETRA, Jordan -- Carved from the rock that served as a base for Esau -- the father of the Edomites -- Petra is a magical and mysterious ancient city that illuminated the imaginations of mankind through the millennia and now serves as a key location for many scholars tracking so-called "end-times" events....the hiding place for the Jewish/Israeli remnant during the biblical events widely known as Armageddon and the Great Tribulation....Petra is a heavily fortified rock/city situated south of Amman, Jordan. To the south are Aqaba and the Red Sea. It is surrounded by the mountainous deserts of Wadi Rum...

According to official accounts, Petra was established by Nabataean Arabs in the sixth century before Christ....They worked diligently to carve out temples, burial chambers and other facilities from the yellow, white, red and brown sandstone rocks....

Pastor Noah Hutchings of the Southwest Radio Church, an expert on Petra, offers this account:...Esau chased the Horites (cave dwellers) out of Mount Hor and established Petra and the capital city of his kingdom, Edom."...

Avi Rubin...explained that Petra might be the ultimate defensive position in a regional war....

"The most important defensive feature is called 'the Shiq,' which is about 2,000 meters long....It is a narrow passageway which leads into the city. It has very high, sheer walls which will protect the Israeli population as they enter the city from the west. The rocks of Petra can help protect from gunfire, bombing, artillery and perhaps even absorb some radiation."

Bible fundamentalists point to Old Testament passages they claim to be speaking about a war between Israel and the Palestinians. These include Ezekiel 35:2-5 and Ezekiel 36:5. Also, Amos 9:11-12 says, "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen. … That they may possess the remnant of Edom....

My reply

Thanks. I hope everyone will read the whole article. A picture of the treasury building is there. It is right in front of the exit from the siq/shiq, waiting to dazzle the eye of the visitor. This picture makes the sandstone from which the treasury was carved look yellow, when in other light, it is a beautiful rose color. Rev. 12:6 speaks of Israel, who "fled into the wilderness, where she hath A PLACE PREPARED OF GOD, that they should feed here there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." I think this PLACE is Petra. Mt. 24:15,16 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." This is Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet becomes Satan- possessed and comes to full power. Petra would be the logical choice. It will hold over a million people. Many buildings have a fancy carved facade, but inside, they are like roomy caves. Many people lived here before, and they can again. There is even an amphitheater prepared for them, a place where those that learn what is coming from Moses and Elijah can instruct many.

Rev. 12:14-17 says that to Israel was "given two wings of a great eagle (emblem of USA), that she might fly into the wilderness, into HER PLACE, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 days, 3.5 years), from the face of the serpent (Satan). And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

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I just finished reading PC 744 and the person who wrote in concerning the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month floored me! I have been having the numbers 11:11 show up to me consistently for the past year. I have even prayed to God to please reveal the meaning to me. My wife has experienced the exact same thing. Have any of your readers expressed similiar experiences? Please don't think I'm crazy. I love to follow your PCs.

My reply

I don't know about others, but the numbers 11-11 remind me of Armistice Day, now called Veteran's Day.

Discovery Channel News

Scientists Claim to Revive Alien Bacteria, By Rossella Lorenzi. http://dsc.discovery.com
May 10 — Italian researchers claim to have found conclusive evidence that life on Earth arrived from outer space.

Bruno D'Argenio, a geologist working for the Italian National Research Council, and Giuseppe Geraci, professor of molecular biology at Naples University, identified and brought back to life extraterrestrial microorganisms lodged inside 4.5 billion-year-old meteorites kept at Naples' mineralogical museum.

"When in contact with a physiological solution, they became visible and began to move," D'Argenio said while presenting the finding at the Italian Space Agency yesterday.

The bacteria, called "cryms" (for crystal microbes) by the researchers, remained dormant for billions of years and survived extreme ambient conditions — a clear indication, according to the researchers, that "life can exist everywhere in the solar system, though in a quiescent state."

Once brought back to life, the cryms were cloned by the researchers and their DNA analyzed.

"Their genetic code is unlike any known on Earth," said Giovanni F. Bignami, scientific director of the Italian Space Agency.

In studying the bacteria, the team found that they tend to gather in clusters. The bugs are also killed easily with antibiotics.

Disputing critics who suggested that the meteorites were contaminated with terrestrial microorganisms, Bignami added that the bacteria came back to life after the samples were sterilized at 950 degrees Celsius and doused in alcohol....

The Italian researchers have also identified microorganisms identical to the "cryms" found in the Naples meteorites in 50 samples of billion-year-old terrestrial rocks from five continents....

My note

How can that last paragraph's identical microorganisms be true if "Their genetic code is unlike any known on Earth,"?

It is interesting to think that God created life elsewhere, and I think he did, but if an asteroid blasted the material off of Earth to form the Moon, we could find some of that material coming back to Earth later as meteorites.

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