Posted 6-26-01
Note: In the gospel in the stars, Cetus (Satan) is the sea monster that has his horn ready to jab Taurus (Christ) and his front feet in Eridanus, the River of Fire that goes down, down, down. His tail is twisted in the symbol of resurrection. Satan has two comings in man, in Judas Iscariot and in the False Prophet. Satan "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition" (Rev. 17:8). The False Prophet is that wicked one, the man of sin, "the son of perdition" (II Thess. 2:4).
The Band attached to the 2 fish in Pisces is attached to Cetus, but Aries, the Lamb of God, has his foot on the band. He has control. The 2 fish represent the wise and foolish virgins. The wise ones are the smaller fish swimming upward fast. The foolish are a larger fish swimming back toward Aquarius (Christ) for more water (Holy Spirit). The largest Southern Fish represents the Tribulation saints. They are drinking up all the water the water giver is pouring out.
Gen. 1:14 (KJV) says, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs (owth, a signal, as a flag), and for SEASONS, and for days, and years."
The word SEASONS is interesting. It is the Hebrew mowed, an appointment, a fixed time or season, a festival, an assembly, technically the congregation, a signal as appointed beforehand, appointed sign or time, due season, set or fixed time.
The NAB translators chose "fixed times." It says, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky, to separate day from night. Let them mark the fixed times, the days and the years."
The Sun and Moon are both for signs, and the total eclipse of June 21 was when both Sun and Moon were in Gemini. That might be a sign that the Rapture would take place while the Sun is in Gemini, where the Bride and Bridegroom are seated together in heavenly places, on the ecliptic. Eph. 2:6 says that God "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."
The spies went "UP into the mountain (symbol of Heaven)" at the "time of the firstripe grapes" (Nu. 13:17,20). Joshua represents Jesus, from the Greek, Joshua, from the Hebrew. "So they went UP, and searched the land" (v. 21), bringing back a cluster of grapes at THE END OF 40 DAYS (v. 25). I have been thinking of the time of the firstripe grapes, but maybe I should think about the end of the 40 days. The number 40 means testing and probation. That is fitting. I think we are being tested.
The Jewish midrash states that God marked the 9th of Av (Tisha Be-Av) as a day of catastrophe because of the incident of the spies and people (except Joshua and Caleb) turning down their chance to go into the promised land on that date ("The Jewish Holidays," by Michael Strassfeld, p. 87). The fire was lit in the temple area twice on this day, when Solomon's temple was burned and when Herod's temple was burned in 70 AD. That date has sure been emphasized. The temple went up in smoke. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and we will go up and meet the Lord in the clouds.
Counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, 40 days before Av 9 (Sunday, July 29, 2001) was Sivan 29 (June 20), the day before the total solar eclipse, which could be a sign. I wonder if we might be chosen on the anniversary of the day that Caleb was chosen to go into the promised land, Sunday, July 29, 2001? It looks like the spies took Moses a large bunch of ripe grapes on that date.
Another thing comes to mind. I think it was last year that the grapes were 3 weeks late coming on in Temecula, CA, because of the cooler than usual spring weather. It was August before the grapes could be harvested. Los Angeles is 34 degrees N latitude. Jerusalem is 31 degrees. Temecula is quite a bit south of LA, but north of San Diego, at 32 degrees. Therefore, by comparing somewhat similar latitudes, it seems that the grape harvest time in Israel would vary a bit too, according to the weather.
Song of Sol. 7:6-9 is very symbolic. It says, "How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes (i.e., twin Raptures). I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, CAUSING THE LIPS OF THOSE THAT ARE ASLEEP TO SPEAK." Since there is resurrection at the time of the Raptures, these could be those that "sleep in Jesus," (I Thess. 4:14).
Isa. 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (sign, signal, flag, UN or OWG) on the mountains (nations); and when HE BLOWETH A TRUMPET (first 'trump of God,' I Thess. 4:16), hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (5761, 2000/2001, is a Sabbatic Year, until Tishri 1, Sept. 18, 2001), and I will consider (nabat, see, look at) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of HARVEST (qatsiyr, severed, harvest as reaped). For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down (maybe at the eclipse of June 21) the branches. They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains (nations), and to the beasts of the earth (beasts of Rev. 13): and the fowls shall summer upon them (the rest of the summer), and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them (all of the winter). IN THAT TIME (maybe June 21 plus the 10 days of Rev. 2:10, i.e., Tamuz 1-10, July 1) SHALL THE PRESENT (shay, gift) BE BROUGHT UNTO THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6) OF A PEOPLE scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled (Ethiopia, v. 1), to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion" (the Heavenly one).
Eph. 5:27 says, "That he might PRESENT IT UNTO HIMSELF a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Col. 1:28 says, "Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may PRESENT EVERY MAN PERFECT IN CHRIST JESUS." It seems that when the present will be brought to the Lord, it will be before summer is over.
Hab. 2:3 says, "the vision is yet for an appointed time (mowed, as 'seasons' in Gen. 1:14) an appointment, a fixed time or season, a festival, an assembly, technically the congregation, a signal as appointed beforehand, appointed sign or time, due season, set or fixed time), but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it TARRY (mahahh, hesitate), wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not TARRY" (achar, be late, or tarry longer).
Heb. 10:35-38 says, "Cast not away therefore your confidence (parrhesia, all outspokenness, frankness, boldness, bluntness, publicity, by implication, assurance), which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience (hupomone, cheerful, patient continuance [waiting]), that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not TARRY (chronizo, take time, linger, delay). Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back (hupostello, withdraw, shun, conceal), my soul shall have no pleasure in him."
It seems that our waiting could be a test to see if we will withdraw and conceal what we hope for and why. I'm not about to withdraw or conceal, because I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces." I am doing my best to do that. Agape
Somehow it seems to indicate that the actual time will, indeed, remain a secret unless God decides to give a 7 day warning.
The answer can, however come from God alone - human ideas, dreams or visions can be accurate only if they are God breathed - but who can tell? This seems to be especially true about dreams and visions with certain dates.
There is little doubt that the tribulation events are getting near all time - one can see that from news too.
If we assume that the order of thing you say is correct ( 1. Rapture, Tribulaltion, 2.rapture...) is right, and the understanding about fig tree parallel (-67 +40 ) is also right, when would the last possible date be for these events if we ignore Biblical feast days?
Maybe we should be also very cautious in accepting things as signs; many a time has gematria, planetary movements and stellar phenomenons, eclipses and rainbows failed to be the signs for the things expected (btw. it is soon 7 years from the 21 comets hitting Mars).
It is questionable, whether something in the stars which is not seen by naked eye, can be accepted as a sign. There has been such "visible" signs also, like Haley-Bopp comet. It is quite possible the big time signs are not yet seen!
I think your site has the most advanced Bible understanding in the Internet (at least what I have seen) but the danger is that some new readers don't study that understanding and be scared by too many "recommended dates" that are backed by dreams, eclipses or stellar phenomenons. I think Bullinger and similar authors have a point but it is most difficult - if not impossible - to draw definite conclusions based on these things.
What I think is needed is insight from God - let us pray for clear understanding - and maybe more cautious acceptance of human Ideas - no matter how good they sometime sound.
One thing is usually very telling that the picture is getting clear is that more and more criticism and opposition is building up - and even persecution. I still wonder what the "you shall have tribulation 10 days" means? Agape
I'm awake, watching, alert for anything that could be a sign. If I don't watch, I might miss one I shouldn't have missed. Cares of everyday life can so easily blot out awareness. I share the possibility that something MIGHT be a sign. My thinking it is doesn't make it so. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. At least we know what is going on so we have a chance to sort it out.
If I hadn't been watching, I might have missed the significance of the Six-Day War. At the time I finally figured it out, June 6, 1968, I was the only one I knew of that recognized that it fulfilled the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34. After the Late Great Planet Earth came out, I told Hal Lindsey in a letter. He didn't believe it until after 1988. The Lord is showing us what doesn't apply by process of elimination. We have to sort it all out, compare it with Scripture, hang on to the good and throw the bad out. 1998, 1999 and 2000 were not the Rapture or the beginning of the Tribulation, but I hope 2001 will be our time. We have to wait patiently and see.
> > it is soon 7 years from the 21 comets hitting Mars
I know you mean Jupiter. Thanks a million. I needed reminding. That was July 16-22, 1994, 7 days of bombardment the likes of which man had never seen before. The 7 days and the 21 (3 x 7) reinforce it as part of God's plan. It started on Av 8, the day before Tisha B'Av, the 9th of Av, when the two temples were set fire in the past. That should have gotten the attention of the Jews.
On our calendar, 1994 + 7 good years + 7 bad years (70th week of Dan, 9:27, 5th cycle of discipline, Lev. 26:28) = 2007. On the Jewish calendar, Tishri 1, 5754 (when Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel) + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 2007. Things do seem to point to 2001 and 2007.
God works in 7s. I can't help but think that bombardment was a sign, even if one did need a telescope to see it. Those with telescopes do sometimes get their pictures published so the rest of the people can see them. Jer. 23:18-20 says, "who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the Satan-possessed False Prophet). The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly." The whirlwind will drive the asteroid into its collision course with Earth. The string-of-pearls bombarding Jupiter should help us understand. It demonstrated what a terrible thing that impact will be. It should drive us all into the care of our wonderful Saviour.
> > If we assume that the order of thing you say is correct (1. Rapture, Tribulaltion, 2.rapture...) is right, and the understanding about fig tree parallel (-67 +40 ) is also right, when would the last possible date be for these events if we ignore Biblical feast days?
Ok, let's think this through again. 1967 + 40 = 2007. I think it has to END on a feast day, the feast of Trumpets, in a Jewish Leap Year. Mal. 2:3 says, "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn FEASTS; and ONE SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT."
The feast that is the Day of God's Wrath is Trumpets. Joel 1:15; 2:1-3 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty shall it come.... Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and SOUND AN ALARM in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army, Eze. 38); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them."
The asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth to stop Gog's army. The piece as big as a mountain hits the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). The one called an "aster," star, asteroid or meteorite), will destroy Babylon (Rev. 18:21) at the same time. Concerning the wicked one, Job 20:23 says, "When he is about to fill his belly, God shall cast THE FURY OF HIS WRATH upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating."
At "the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken" (Eze. 38:18,19). Eze. 38:20 tells what happens when the asteroid impacts The Great Sea. Fish will shake. Even all the men upon the whole Earth will shake. Every wall will fall. That is worldwide disaster. The cities of the nations, including Jerusalem, will fall (Rev. 16:19). All green grass will be burned, plus 1/3rd of the trees (Rev. 8:7). "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD" (Eze. 39:12,13).
The day that he will return in glory is the Second Advent, on the following Nisan 1. For there to be 7 Jewish months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, it has to be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month.
Tishri 1, 5768 is the Feast of Trumpets and the first day of 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). One day before that is 5767, which is NOT A LEAP YEAR. Therefore, anything before Tishri 1, 5768 does not seem to fit. 5766 is not a Leap Year, either. 5765 is the Leap Year that precedes 5768. The only other Leap Year before the 40-year generation ends is 5763. Since we are already in 5761, if we backed up from 5768 to 5765, or 5763, there would not be enough time for the Tribulation/the 70th week of Dan. 9:27.
I think the mistake I made was in counting back the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation from Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) instead of from the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1. It just seemed so right for the 70th week of Daniel to start on the Feast of Weeks. God is showing us by the process of elimination what doesn't apply, so that we will finally see what does apply.
Dan. 8:13,14 says, "HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (which requires an altar), and the transgression of desolation (False Prophet's desolation of the Temple, Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be TRODDEN UNDER FOOT? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the SANCTUARY BE CLEASED."
Treading under foot ties in with Rev. 11:1,2: "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the TEMPLE of God, AND THE ALTAR, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the TEMPLE leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they TREAD UNDER FOOT FORTY AND TWO MONTHS" (1260 days). Since Elijah ministers during this 1260 days (Mal. 4,5), It is the first half of the Tribulation. However, the treading under foot lasts longer than just the first 1260 days, it lasts 2300 days total.
Cleansing the sanctuary ties in with Eze. 45:18-21. It says, "In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye RECONCILE THE HOUSE. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month (Nisan 14), ye shall have the passover."
I think Jesus returns on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred and Regnal Year. Eze. 29:17,21 says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month...In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ, Isa. 44:6) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." Hos. 1:3 says, " the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain (First Advent) starts Tishri 1, the latter rain (Second Advent) on Nisan 1.
Then the 2300 days would terminate at the Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 5768, anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar) and begin on Thursday, Teveth 5, 5762 (Dec. 20, 2001), the last day of autumn. I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture before that.
> > I think your site has the most advanced Bible understanding in the Internet
Thanks for your kind words. Agape
What's your take on when our Lord will come now? I woke up yesterday morning and said, Lord, you tarried again. I'm looking forward to being in heaven with you!!. So I need more inspiration from you......haha.......When do you think Our Glorious Lord will be back now. I love speculation anyway. I like always looking for Him and the sooner the better.AMEN.
Again Marilyn, I'm grateful you two guys are ok. What a God!! the devil means it for evil but God can turn it around for our good. Many many blessings.
> > What's your take on when our Lord will come now?
I am hoping it will be between now and Dec. 20. I'll enclose a copy of the previous email I answered, so you will know why that date. It is midnight already. Agape
I can't see it being delayed another 7 years, either. Agape
This is very interesting! What happens when a president gets elected in a year with a "0" at the end? Also notice it goes in increments of 20 years.
1840: William Henry Harrison (Died in Office)
1860: Abraham Lincoln (Assassinated)
1880: James A. Garfield (Assassinated)
1900: William McKinley (Assassinated)
1920: Warren G. Harding (Died in Office)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Died in Office)
1960: John F. Kennedy (Assassinated)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Survived Assassination Attempt)
2000: ???
And to think that we had 2 guys duking it out in the courts to be the one elected in 2000!
Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday & were shot in the head.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are composed of fifteen letters.
Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.' Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln.'
Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
When Bobby Kennedy died June 5, 1968, on the anniversary of the beginning of the Six-Day War, I thought this saga was over. All these presidents up to JFK were Christians of various denominations, but JFK was the first one that was Roman Catholic. Was that significant?
Since he was 7th in this lineup, I thought of the 7 kings of Rev. 17:10. It says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." JFK, 7th in the your list, continued a short space, from his election on Nov. 4, 1960 to Nov. 11, 1963--about 3 years, "a short space."
Our daughter was born on his birthday, so I cut out the notice in the paper to put in her Baby Book. He was born May 29, 1917. That was the year that Gen. Allenby took Jerusalem in the 400th year since the Ottoman Turks took it over in 1517. It also was the 400th year since Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the Catholic church door in Wittenberg, Germany. 1917 was the 400th year in the Modern Parallels. I have a file posted on the Modern Parallels at: http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/parallels.html
In Rev. 17, the 8th is "of the seven." Then the 8th is of the 7th also. I thought of Bobby Kennedy, of the Kennedys and Catholic too. Was this whole thing a type of things to come? History does repeat itself, by God's design. Will the 7th king of Rev. 17:10 be Roman Catholic? I think the actual 6th king will be the Tribulation Pope, head of the Roman Catholics, and that the 7th will take over all the "power" of the 6th (Rev. 13:12). So I expect him to be Roman Catholic too.
The 8th in your list was wounded but recovered. Why? Was it because the 8th of Rev. 17:11 will not die? If these things are types, I would not expect the pattern to continue. I just keep watching and wondering. We should know soon.
Judges 5:11,12 set me wondering too. It says, "They that are delivered from the noise (whoops?) of archers (American Indians?) in the places of drawing water (symbol of the Holy Spirit), there shall they REHEARSE THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the GATES" The "doors" in Mt. 24:33 is a symbol of the 2 Raptures, the 1st is the "open door" of Rev. 3:8). The word "acts" is "tsdaqah," Strong's 6666: figuratively, justice). That number reminds me of the 666 Mark of the Beast in Rev. 13:18.
Continuing, Judges 5:12 says, "AWAKE, AWAKE, Deborah: AWAKE, AWAKE, utter a SONG (we sing the 'new song' after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9): ARISE, BARAK, AND LEAD THY CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE." This sounds like the Rapture/resurrection to me.
Captivity captive appears 2 other places. Psa. 68:18 says, "Thou hast ASCENDED ON HIGH, thou hast LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE: thou hast received GIFTS FOR MEN; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them."
Eph. 4:8 says, "Wherefore he saith, When he ASCENDED UP ON HIGH, he LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, and gave GIFTS UNTO MEN." This is when Jesus took the saints in the earthly Paradise to the heavenly Paradise on Resurrection Day in 30 AD.
II Samuel 7:23 seems to tie in to the United States today. It says, "And what one (echad, UNITED) NATION in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people."
Food for thought. Agape
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