Posted 8-16-01
Not just a personal demotion but the Arab world's retraction of the mandate awarded him at the 1974 Arab summit in Rabat as the sole representative and spokesman for the Palestinian people. It means that Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are reclaiming the Arab world’s pre-1974 role as arbiter of the Palestinian issue....
The morning, after Israel’s tank thrust into Jenin, Mubarak’s most senior adviser, Osama el Baz, went rushing off to Washington to hear the next part of the finish Arafat master plan.
For the first time since the onset of the Intifada eleven months ago, Arafat has no political say in the conduct of the conflict, deprived of his central position on the Arab stage. (emphasis mine)
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Effects Of Oslo War On Economy: http://israelnationalnews.com/
While Yasser Arafat has caused untold human suffering to Jews and Arabs alike, he has also destroyed the economy of the areas under his jurisdiction. Arafat has allowed and encouraged monopolies run by political cronies to take over some markets thereby driving away even Arab investors....
There were a couple comments that the "Day of the Lord" would be EXACTLY 1000 years yesterday... Revelation tells us it will be longer. Let's take a look....Revelation 20:2...3 says, "He seized the dragon...Satan, and bound him for a thousand years..., to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE ENDED. AFTER THAT, he must be set free for A SHORT TIME."
So this says satan will be bound for 1,000 years and then released for "a short time". If the "Millenium" is EXACTLY 1,000 years, the we have to subtract off a "short time" from that to determine how long satan will be bound - which would be 999 years plus some days at most. Yet the scriptures say satan will be bound for "1,000 years". So if satan is bound for EXACTLY 1,000 years, then the "Millenium" is 1,000 years PLUS a "short time".
Either way, either the time period Satan is bound, or the time period of the entire era, is not EXACTLY 1000 years.
Very few "days" are exactly 24 hours. During spring, most days are 24 hours and a few minutes because a sunset to sunset measurement would get further apart each day in that sunset takes place a little later the nenxt day. So it might be 24 hours , 6 minutes. In the fall, sunset happens a little sooner than it did the day before.
If the scriptures told us it would last 1,003 years, I'd say it would be 1,003 years give or take 5-6 months, and certainly not 1002 or 1004 years. If it says 1,000 years, the degree of exactness is not really given and the idea of it being 1001 years is not something I would rule out.
But it seems that this "SHORT TIME" mentioned is not large enough to significantly alter how the scriptures choose to measure it.
Rev 20:4 says "They came to life and reigned with Messiah a thousand years." Revelation 20:5 "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended."
Sounds to me like it will be a SHORT TIME longer than 1,000 years. Note that Rev 20:5 does not say the dead were resurrected 1,000 years later, but that they were not resurrected "until the thousand years were ended." This would be literally true if it happened 1,004, because after 1,004 years, the prescribed 1,000 years would have been ended. But it does not tell us how much AFTER that 1,000 years it happens.
Rev 20:4 tells us how long we are ORDAINED to reign, but our reign after that will be incomplete since some people will follow satan and won't submit to the reign of the saints.
So overall, sounds like it will be 1,000 years plus a "short time".Now in light of the fact that the "Millenium" will apparently be only "ABOUT" 1,000 years, and probably a little longer, then perhaps it should not suprise us if the first 6,000 years will only be "ABOUT" that, and perhaps a little longer as well, to a degree we can't predict or calculate. Especially since it would seem we've already passed the 6,000 year mark since Creation (which probably happened circa 1990's). Shalom, Joe
Jovial, I don't think you really mean this. You are too good at details. Please read it again. I know you don't want to argue with the Lord. This is his word that says that Satan will be bound for a 1000 years. Then "AFTER THAT" 1000 years, he would be set free for ANOTHER block of time called "A SHORT TIME." Even Webster's dictionary says that a millennium is a period of 1000 years. The Latin mille means a thousand.
Rev. 20:2,3 in the KJV says, "he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till THE THOUSAND YEARS should be FULFILLED: and AFTER THAT he must be loosed A LITTLE SEASON."
There are two blocks of time in this. The first is 1000 years during which Satan is chained. The second comes AFTER the first. It is "A LITTLE SEASON." Even if we don't understand it, if the Scripture says Satan is chained 1000 years, it's true. Let's just rough it out. If Satan is chained in 2008, wouldn't he be set free in 3008?
Here is some food for thought. There is no direct proof that I know of. However, the 2000-year Age of the Jews is extended by 7 years, the Tribulation/70th week of Daniel. It is the trial that is to come upon ALL THE EARTH (Rev. 3:10). The same 7 years is the "ends" (plural) of the Ages (I Cor. 10:11), so it probably is the extension of all three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church. Wouldn't it make sense for the Millennium to also be extended by 7 years? Mankind has this 7-year trial at the end of this age. Why wouldn't the people that live during the Millennium also have a 7-year trial? Near the end of the Tribulation, fire will come down from Heaven (Rev. 8:8,10). Doesn't the Bible tell us that fire will also come down from Heaven after the little season? Rev. 20:9 says, "fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
At the beginning of the Millennium, the Judgment Seat of Christ will take place. At the beginning of Eternity, the Great White Throne Judgment will take place. Will there be a 7-year period of trial before each judgment? Maybe. Thinking of types, it seems possible. Agape and Shalom
As to the Nazarenes, they are not recognized by the MJAA: MJAA | Messianic Jewish Alliance of America | Shalom! From what I've learned about the Nazarenes:
1. They vehemently oppose the idea of the Holy Trinity or as we say Tri-Unity.
2. They forcibly assert that the Ruach HaKodesh The Holy Spirit is female despite the many numerous references by Yeshua to the Holy Spirit as a "He" or "Him". Their claim is based on the fact that "Ruach" in Hebrew means spirit, but its gender is feminine. snd Solomon writes of "wisdom" as a "she/her"
3. They believe in the kaballah, or zohar, whose contents were generated via automatic handwriting; which today we would call "channeling". In addition the zohar was written by a "non-believer" in Yeshua, so it cannot be "inspired scripture". In fact the leading clergy of the Chasidim plan to use the zohar in the last days. They have finally realized, that in their centuries long "struggle" with "Christianity", they have countered all of Christianity messianic prophesies,, by assigning them to King David or Solomon or to Israel itself. Now they have no scriptural criteria with which to verify the true messiah or expose the false one. To extricate themselves from this predicament, they plan to use the zohar. You see no one alive today knows the full 72 Hebrew lettered name of God; YHVH (Yod Hey Vav Hey) is merely the anglicized tetragrammation. 12th century kabbalists (synagogue of Prague Czechoslovakia) using the Jewish "Book of Creation" and the zohar literally and actually "built " a "Golem" (see Ps 139:16). It was a 9 or ten foot high clay, mud dirt assemblage with "EMETH" (truth) on its forehead; the pronounced incantations from these books and the lump became animated {now you know why hasatan wanted with Moses body-- if he could "reanimate it, he could mislead the people}. At any rate in order to stop the Golem the "E" from EMETH had to be erased from the forehead thus leaving METH - DEATH. The Chasidim are ready to follow anybody who can whisper the full name of God
into such a creatures ear; they will follow such a man as mashiach. Anyone interested can get a peek at the diversity of MJAA beliefs and Torah Observant and Nazarene Jews at: ASK THE MESSIANIC RABBI
I just want to say not all Messianic Jews are alike; there are already many impostors and imitators. Y'varechecha Adonai v'yishim'rechecha, Ya'ayr Adonai panav alecha v'chunecha, Yisa Adonai panav alecha, v'yasaym l'cha shalom. The Lord bless you and keep you, The Lord make His Face to shine upon you, and be gracious unto you. The Lord lift up His countenance upon you, and give you peace.
> > "Jewish New Testament" by David Stern, it is an excellent reference.
I agree. I have a copy of Stern's Complete Jewish Bible and have read most of it, if not all. He only did the translating of the NT though.
> > not all Messianic Jews are alike
I find that easy to believe. Look how many denominations there are among Christians. Agape
...You have already done a superb job of explaining this, otherwise I would not have been able to explain it myself. This is what I have learned, and lifted from your writtings, and now readily email to Christians who question my sanity.
(Hope you approve.)
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Typical response to my Rapture statements:
This is all very confusing when one takes into consideration all the changes in the calendar over the last 2,000 years! How can anyone figure the exact timeframe? Luke 21:8 seems to say there will be many imposters claiming to be the Messiah in the last days, but Jesus said "take heed that you not be deceived, for many will come in my name...and, the time has drawn near. Therefore, do not go after them." And then there's Matthew 24:36 that says "But of that day and hour, NO ONE KNOWS, no not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." And...Matthew 24:42 "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."
My return answer:
Thanks for conversing with me about the second advent. The Bible speaks of it 20 times more then it does of the first.
BUT DOES IT SAY WATCH?
Rev. 3:3 says, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
WHAT IF WE DO WATCH? Turn the above verse around.
If therefore thou shall watch, I will not come on thee as a thief, and thou shall know what hour I will come upon thee.
BUT IS IT A SECRET?
In Luke 8:17, the LORD said, "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. "In Luke 12:2, the LORD said, "there is NOTHING covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." In Mark 4:22, the LORD said, "there is NOTHING hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any
thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad." Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Mr 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things."
OK WATCH WHAT?
In Luke 21:25, the Lord said, "THERE SHALL BE SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity (over Jerusalem); the sea (United Nations, Rev. 17:15, 13:1,7) and the waves (individual nations or groups of people) roaring." In verse 28, Jesus continued, "WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK
UP, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH."
IS THIS THE TIME?
In Lu. 21:29-32, the Lord said, "Behold the fig tree (Israel - Joel 1:6,7), and all the trees (other nations); When they now shoot forth (i.e., fight the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel grew into the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, Sinai and West Bank), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand (the war started June 5, summer arrived June 21). So
likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, KNOW YE that the kingdom of god is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation (40 years - some say 52) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."
BUT WHAT ABOUT -
Matthew 24:36 that says "But of that day and hour, NO ONE KNOWS, no not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Correct when stated. "No one knows" is a present tense expression. At that time no one knew but the Father. If we hold that this verse is a continuant, then shouldn't we also hold that Jesus still does not know - only his Father? Not likely. Also, the day or hour stands out as not a big problem when we are looking for the year and season.
WHY SHOULD WE LOOK?
Titus 2:13 the blessed hope
1 Thess 4:18 the comforting hope
1 John 3:3 the purifying hope
2 Tim 4:8 the rewarding hope
.... and besides this world is not getting any better (2Tim 3)
...... but ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that DAY should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore LET US NOT SLEEP, AS DO OTHERS; BUT LET US WATCH and be sober." I'm watching.
We know that the Day of God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets. Mal. 2:2,3 says, "If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse (asteroid, Zech. 5:1-4) upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of YOUR SOLEMN FEASTS; AND ONE SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT." Joel shows that the millennial Day of the Lord begins with destruction on the Feast of Trumpets. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME." Joel 2:1,2 says, "BLOW YE THE TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, for it is nigh at hand; A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army is attacking); THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE, NEITHER SHALL BE ANY MORE AFTER IT, even to the years of many generations." Eze. 38:18-20 describes the first day of the Millennium, the Day of God's Wrath. There is a worldwide earthquake, and every wall will fall.
The words in caps tie in with Dan. 12:1,2 and show us that Rapture 2 is also on that day. It says, "at that time (first day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (including the 144,000), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."
Psa. 27:5 agrees. It says, "in THE TIME OF TROUBLE he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock" (the planet Heaven, represented by the Holy of Holies).
Eze. 39:12,13 shows us that there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. It says, "seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."
Eze. 29:17,21 sets the month and day of the Second Advent as Nisan 1, first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because Christ is the King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords. V. 17 says, "first month, in the first day of the month." Then v. 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word, the Logos) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."
There are usually 6 months between Tishri and Nisan. Here we have 7, showing us that this must be a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month. 5768 is a Leap Year. The civil year starts on Tishri 1. The Regnal and Sacred years start the following Nisan 1. 5768 (2007/2008) is 7 years after the present year, 5761 (2000/2001), so it seems that the Rapture and beginning of the Tribulation are near.
5763 (2002/2003), 5765 (2004/2005) and 5768 (2007/2008) are the only Leap Years left within the 40-year generation since 1967.
>> Matthew 24:36 that says "But of that day and hour, NO ONE KNOWS...
My return answer: Thanks for conversing with me about the second advent.
I like what you wrote, but here I am more apt to just say that "knoweth" (KJV) is present tense. It was true on the day it was stated. It doesn't say no one will ever know. On down, you said about the same thing.
While we are on this subject, there is something concerning the day and hour that many skim over fast and miss. Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth NO MAN, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Notice that it is talking about all men and mentions both the day and hour.
Verses 42 - 44 drops the day, because it is talking about believers, faithful and wise servants. It says, "Watch therefore: for YE know not what HOUR YOUR LORD doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman (minister) of the house (church) had known in what WATCH the thief (Christ) would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house (Church) to be broken up (At the first Rapture). 44 Therefore be YE also ready: for in such an HOUR as YE think not the Son of man cometh."
Then it switches to the evil servant who gets left behind the first time. He won't know the day or hour. Verses 50 and 51 say, "The lord of that servant shall come in a DAY when he looketh not for him, and in an HOUR that he is not aware of. And shall CUT HIM ASUNDER, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Luke 12:46 says he will be cut off and appointed his portion "WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."
Mt. 25:13 is also talking about foolish virgin believers that get left behind. It says, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the DAY nor the HOUR wherein the Son of man cometh."
Mark 13:32 mentions that NO MAN knows the DAY or HOUR. After that, it is talking to servants (believers). V. 35 says, "YE knoweth not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning." It too drops the day when speaking of believers. Only the hour is unknown.
Rev. 3:3 addresses believers. It says, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief (one who steals the best things and leaves the rest behind), and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee." It only mentions the hour, not the day. It does not say that we won't know the day. If we watch, we may know both the day and hour. Agape
I have been reading letters posted on this site for sometime. I am watching for the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ for His Bride. There has been a lot of good scriptures posted on the possibility of a spring/or early summer rapture. But there was one thing lacking in most of the verses I have read. More and More the Spirit keeps me coming back in the scriptures to Rosh ha Shanah. I have attended a Bible study of the Festivals of the Lord and a Jewish interpretation of the scriptures for about 5 years now. (Joseph Good with Hatikva Ministries materials)
On June 12, I was awakened with the sound of the shofar blowing. It was heard in my spirit, but the sound was so loud that I thought I heard it with my ears. Later on that day our community experienced 13 tornados sighted near or around it. The tornado warning sirens sounded all day in the subdivision in which we live. God is telling us to WAKE UP!! Be encouraged Doves and readers of these letters, Christ's return is imminent. Yet many in the church refuse to listen.
Upon studying the feast of Rosh ha Shanah, we learned it goes by many names. I will list some: The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of the Awakening Blast, The Day that No Man Knoweth. Sound familiar?? It is because the Feast is actually a 48 hour period, designated when the New Moon actually appears in the sky.
To the Jew, certain phrases in the Word meant what Festival was being celebrated. Three trumpets were sounded at various feasts. The "first trump" was sounded at Pentecost. The "last trump" was sounded at Rosh Ha Shanah, and the "great trump" was sounded at Yom Kippur. 1 Cor.15:51,52 says, "Behold, I tell you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (i.e. the rapture)-- in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMPET. For the TRUMPET will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
"Blow the TRUMPET at the TIME OF THE NEW MOON, At the full moon, on our solemn FEAST DAY." Ps. 81:3 The NEW MOON was the Beginning of the festival and the FULL MOON was its ending.
Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) is taught through this study as the appointed time of the Second Coming of Christ and the Feast of Tabernacles as the Millineal reign of Christ.
Some food for thought. Christ fulfilled the first four feasts to the letter. Indications of this assures us that in like manner, will the last three feasts be fulfilled. I believe that in any case it warrants watching.
"For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men-" 1 Peter 2:15 Blessings to you John and all the Doves. Mary Hansen
Since the dispersion, it has been kept on 2 days to make sure ones far away hit the right day. News traveled slowly in earlier days. However, God told them to keep The Feast of Trumpets one day. Lev. 23:24 says, "In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation."
> > To the Jew, certain phrases in the Word meant what Festival was being celebrated. Three trumpets were sounded at various feasts. The "first trump" was sounded at Pentecost. The "last trump" was sounded at Rosh Ha Shanah, and the "great trump" was sounded at Yom Kippur.
I think this is from Jewish writings, not Scripture. The words "first trump" and "great trump" are not found in the KJV. The "last trump" is in I Cor. 15:52, where it refers to the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. I do think it will be on the Feast of Trumpets.
> > "Blow the TRUMPET at the TIME OF THE NEW MOON, At the full moon, on our solemn FEAST DAY." Ps. 81:3 The NEW MOON was the Beginning of the festival and the FULL MOON was its ending.
Psa. 81:3 (KJV) says, "Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast DAY." This seems to be talking about ONE DAY, the Feast of Trumpets on the new moon, the first day of Tishri. The new moon is the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1. The full moon does not come until mid-month. The Feast of Tabernacles starts on Tishri 15 and lasts 8 days.
However, Psa. 81:3 (LITV) says, "Blow the ram's horn in the new moon, at the full moon, on our feast day." In case this is the correct literal translation, I would understand it as meaning that they were to blow the ram's horn in the first of every month (the new moon, that includes Nisan 1, the Second Advent), and at the full moon (Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15), and on each feast day.
> > Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) is taught through this study as the appointed time of the Second Coming of Christ and the Feast of Tabernacles as the Millineal reign of Christ
I think this study she is referring to is wrong on both things. I think Christ's Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain comes Tishri 1 (First Advent). The latter rain comes Nisan 1 (Second Advent). Tishri 1 is the first day of the Jewish Civil Year. Nisan 1 is the first day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year. I think Jesus will come in glory on the same day all the Israelite kings officially took office, Nisan 1.
Eze. 29:17 gives us the month and day, "first month, in the first day of the month." Then v. 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word, the Logos) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."
I think the Millennium will begin on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, 7 months before the Second Advent on Nisan 1. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." Following the Day of God's Wrath/destruction the Israelis bury the dead for 7 months. Then the Lord can return in glory. Eze. 39:11-13 says, "there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."
A normal Jewish year has 6 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1. Because there are 7 in this case, this is in a Jewish Leap Year. I think it will be 5768; 2007/2008.
I'm watching to see if the Rapture will be on Tishri 1, 5762 (Sept. 18, 2001). If so, I think it would be on Jesus' birthday. That would be a nice touch. The birth of the Body of Christ into a new world would be on the anniversary of his being born into this world. Since I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, it could be that the Pre-Trib Rapture would also be on the Feast of Trumpets. We will know soon. If not, maybe it would be on Cheshvan 17, the day Noah entered the Ark and the Lord closed the DOOR (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8). Cheshvan 17, 5762 will be Nov. 3, 2001. Agape
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