Posted 11-4-01
Sheikh Youssef Al-Badri called on "Muslims to declare a Jihad against the Americans. We all must prepare for Jihad, because the strikes will reach even us, in many Islamic countries. What America and the West have done is an international crime,...a great crime against humanity. This is a war against Islam, as the leaders of the West and the leaders of the U.S. have said. We have no choice but to declare our own position: Are we with Islam or are we with Bush? The answer is what will determine the fate of the Islamic nation in the new millennium."
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Former PM Netanyahu Calls on UK Not to Support Palestinian State
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=12192
11-1-01 - (IsraelNationalNews.com) In an address before the British Parliament, former Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu called upon elected officials not to support a Palestinian state. Mr. Netanyahu called upon UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W. Bush to reconsider their positions, explaining supporting such an entity was tantamount to giving a prize for terrorism.
The former prime minister added the war against terrorism must be tenacious and without compromise.
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Bush to call for viable Palestinian state
By Roula Khalaf in Washington
http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT32O6LFKTC&live=true&tagid=FTDO9DHMZJC
11-2-01 (updated 11-3)...The planned US move would make it easier for Arab allies, all of whom are contending with public disenchantment with US policy, to continue to support the war against terror.
Shimon Peres, Israeli foreign minister, and Yassir Arafat, Palestinian leader, met on Friday for the first time in more than a month on the Spanish island resort of Mallorca....
According to Arab officials and pro-Israeli sources in Washington, the first articulation of a policy by the administration could come next week, at the opening of the United Nations General Assembly....
Arab officials said this week they were expecting the US statement to go beyond last month's US backing for a Palestinian state.
They are urging Washington to indicate it does not support the vision of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, who wants to limit the size of an eventual state. Israel wants the statement to avoid addressing final status issues such as Jerusalem.
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My note: Does the following "act of God" say something about the previous post? Joe 3:2 says, "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."
11-3-01 - Florida Keys under evacuation order: Possible Hurricane Michelle collision course? (CNN)
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WEATHER/11/03/hurricane.michelle/index.html
The word for "ceases" is Strong's 1584: "a primary root; to end (in the sense of completion or failure) - cease, come to an end, fail, perfect, perform."
The word for "fail" is Strong's 6461: "a primary root; prob. to disperse, i.e. (instrans.) disappear; - cease.
This could be discerned as another reference to the disappearance of the faithful in Christ. Also, the verse saying that God's words are like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times, remind me of the "furnace" of the seven-year tribulation upon the earth.
In one of your posts, you stated that, when we are with the Lord in heaven, you didn't know if our minds would immediately comprehend what we understood in part on earth, or if we would go to classes. I like that.....sitting in hallowed classrooms, learning absolute truth, no more partial understanding, receiving with hearts full of love and adoration for our wonderful Savior and King. To be free from the weak and beggerly elements of this sin-wrecked world. Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ forever!
Looking forward to seeing you soon, in the assembly of the saints. Love
I grabbed my Green's Interlinear and opened it to Psa. 12. I have most of v. 1 underlined in red. That part says, "the godly man ceases; for the faithful fail from among the sons of men." In the margin, I wrote "Rapture." Thanks for looking up the key words. I made a note of those. What caught my eye was that it was the "godly" and "faithful" that fails from among men.
I also marked v. 6. The word "silver" has a bright rectangle around it. I would have thought it tied in to Prov. 2:2-5. It says, "incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as SILVER, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God." Agape
The RSV also uses "vanished." It says, "Help, LORD; for there is no longer any that is godly; for the faithful have VANISHED from among the sons of men."
The Complete Jewish Bible also uses "vanished." It says, "no one godly is left; the faithful have VANISHED from humankind." Verses 6 - 8 (CJB) are interesting: "The words of ADONAI are pure words, silver in a melting-pot set in the earth, refined and purified SEVEN TIMES over. You, ADONAI, protect us; guard us forever from THIS GENERATION--the wicked strut about everywhere when vileness is held in general esteem."
Seven times could refer to 7 years, the Tribulation. The Satan-possessed False Prophet will think to change times and laws, but God's word will be proved true when tried during these 7 times.
Dan 7:25 (KJV) says, "he ('another,' i.e., the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and shall wear out the saints (Tribulation saints) of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they (the Tribulation saints) shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time" (the Great Tribulation). Agape
Note: Psa. 12:1 (NAB) says, "Help, LORD, for no one loyal remains; the faithful have VANISHED from the human race."
The Concordant Version says, "Do save, O Yahweh, for the benign one has reached an end, For the faithful ones have DISAPPEARED from the sons of humanity."
The Berkeley Version says, "Do help, O LORD, for godly men have come to an end; for the faithful have VANISHED from among the descendants of man."
The Jerusalem Bible says, "Help, Yahweh! No one loyal is left, the faithful have VANISHED from among the children of Adam."
The Amplified Old Testament says, "HELP, Lord! For principled and GODLY PEOPLE ARE HERE NO MORE; faithfulness and THE FAITHFUL VANISH from among the sons of men."
I have not heard of the Emphatic Diaglott you mention in the web-page, and whether the Greek is the other way round in that one, but it definitely says "kai theos en ho logos" in the oldest available manuscript (The Codex Siniaticus).
Interestingly, the gematria total for "logos" is 373, which is exactly the same total as for "kai theos en", i.e. the two phrases, which equate God and the word have exactly the same numerical value. I have discovered an elegant geometrical representation of the number 373, which links the two phrases in an entirely different and surprising way. I nearly fell off my seat when I discovered it. However, to illustrate, I would have to send you an attachment of an image file, which I understand you are unwilling to do. Best wishes
Wilson translated this phrase as "and the Logos was God." In Green's Interlinear, he translated it as "and the Word was God." I don't know much about Greek, but made this note when looking through a Greek grammar. Colwell's Rule of Greek Grammar, A definite predicate nominative takes the article when it follows the verb. It does not do so when it precedes the verb as in John 1:1. My guess is that the rules of Greek grammar dictate how the sentence is put together in English. The order of parts of speech in a sentence vary in different languages. For instance, an adjective may follow the noun it modifies in some languages. It precedes the noun in English.
When Dr. Charles Feinberg was Dean of Talbot Theological Seminary, I wrote him about this. Here is his answer: "I can assure you that the rendering which the Jehovah's Witnesses give John 1:1 is not held by any reputable Greek scholar."
I use MSOutlook Express 5. On the right of the tool bar below the address area is an icon that looks like a stamped envelope with a couple of triangles on it that look like mountains sitting on the bottom edge of the envelope. When clicked, it will enable me to insert a picture directly into an e-mail message. Do you have anything like that? Agape
This is a corosponding e-mail response to some issues about a so called 7 year tribulation, a man made 7 year trib more like it... but here is my reponses to those whom still believe that there is time for the man made 7 year tribulation....
Im curious as to where in the bible is shows the strengthening of the 7 year covenant to be in relation to jacobs trouble, or to a 7 year tribulation.
Can you show me anywhere in the bible where it says that the church has to be removed before the start of Daniels 70th week (Jacobs Trouble), or even find the phrase 7 year tribulation in the bible.. The problem that alot of people have, is that they mix up the strengthening of the 7 year covenant, with daniels 70th week (jacobs trouble) And I got news, Daniels 70th week began when the end of the 6000th year since creation happened at Rosh Hashanah 2000... This was the exact end of 6000 completed years since creation, and it started daniels 70th week. The covenant with the ac does NOT start daniels 70th week, and there is no scriptural proof that does show this in any way.
I figured that most of you would have got it by now, as there is no time left at all for any kind of 7 year man made tribulation.... its just too late according to the bible, and the 40 year generation......and do not mistake the bible teachings, as when it says that a generation realted to Israel is 40 years, you had better beleive it..
This is not to start any arguments, but you people keep holding on to something that just is not there according to Gods word in the scriptures......there IS a 40 year generation, and it is true and correct in its exact words in the book of Numbers 14:34,35.... clear as day.......Israel reached adulthood going from 1948 to 1967.... in 1967 Israel became an adult when it reached adulthood..and when Jerusalem was recaptured.... The generation that saw this will NOT pass away until all things are fulfilled, exactly in the year 2007, as the bible clearly proves. There is no 7 year tribulation, as this comes from the man made doctrine of man. And once again, there is no bible scriptures which related the 7 year covenant, to any 7 year tribulation, jacobs trouble, or daniels 70th week.... no scripture whatsoever that ties together...
Therefore the 70th week and the "time of Jacob's trouble" and the "Covenant of the Antichrist are NOT the same!
Daniel's 70th week IS Prophetic (360 days) and MUST BE COMPLETED!
The "Time of Jacob's Trouble is Calendrical (based on the calendar) AND MUST BE COMPLETED!
The Covenant of the Antichrist MUST run for a minimum of 3 & 1/2 years and the the last half of it be shrotened BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST!
ALL OF THESE MUST BE DONE IN THE CONCLUDING YEAR THAT THE "GENERATION" COMES TO ITS COMPLETION!
My Response to rapture soon egroup....and by the way, for anyone who wishes to join this most awsome Christian group, send an e-mail to Rapture_Soon-subscribe@onelist.com as we would love to have all of you brothers and sisters whom follow this forum to join us....Its the one and only "egroup" that I belong to, and I think I have been there for 2 years almost....great people, great study, and great information ... anyways, here is my other response to the group.
By the way Lu, your post on this issue was very very good, and my other response was not to cut it down......as it was very good,,, but my issue is that you are not correct in that what has been DETERMINED and to whom. Remember, 70 weeks are DETERMINED to THY PEOPLE and thy HOLY CITY.... This is exactly why Jacobs Trouble, aka Daniels 70th week CANNOT be for EVERYONE IN THE WORLD...Jacobs Trouble is for ISRAEL ONLY.......So this cannot be the tribulation of the world....The world is UNDER JUDGEMENT/ Israel and the "Church" (now) is under "Chastisement" to repentance. This is exactly the prime biblical example as to why jacobs trouble and the man made 7 year tribulation cannot be one in the same....Jacobs Trouble is for Israel ONLY.......and it has started when the end of the 6000th year completed last Rosh Hashanah....
If a trib starts with the covenant that will be broken in the midst, and the last half of it (since it is broken there is NO LAST HALF)are the days FROM the Abomination that makes desolate that Jesus says WILL be shortened! God CANNOT shorten WHAT He has already DETERMINED
Therefore the 70th week and the "time of Jacob's trouble" and the "Covenant of the Antichrist are NOT the same!
Daniel's 70th week IS Prophetic (360 days) and MUST BE COMPLETED!
The "Time of Jacob's Trouble is Calendrical (based on the calendar) AND MUST BE COMPLETED!
The Covenant of the Antichrist MUST run for a minimum of 3 & 1/2 years and the the last half of it be shrotened BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST!
ALL OF THESE MUST BE DONE IN THE CONCLUDING YEAR THAT THE "GENERATION" COMES TO ITS COMPLETION!
Yours Truly In Jesus Christ, Mark Copfer
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The time of Jacob's Trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath. Dan. 12:1,2 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet shall come to his end, Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: AND AT THAT TIME (DAY OF GOD'S WRATH) THY PEOPLE (JEWS) SHALL BE DELIVERED (THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake." This time of trouble is the time of Jacob's trouble. It is when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. It cannot last for seven years any more than the 2nd Rapture can last seven years. Jer 30:6,7 says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for THAT DAY (ONE DAY) IS GREAT, SO THAT NONE (NO OTHER DAY) IS LIKE IT. IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it. "
If someone doesn't like using the word "Rapture," which doesn't appear in our English translations, they can use the Greek "harpazo" (I Thess. 4:17). If they don't like using the word "Trinity," which doesn't appear in our English translations, they can use "the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Mt. 28:19)..
Likewise, if you don't like using the word "tribulation," you can use the Greek "peirasmos," translated "temptation" in Rev. 3:10 in the KJV. It is the time of trial (peirasmos) that "shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, TO TRY (peirasai) THEM THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH." The Literal Version says, "Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which is going to come on all the habitable world in order to try those dwelling on the earth." The World English Bible says, "Because you kept my command to endure, I also will keep you from the hour (hora, day, hour, instant, SEASON) OF TESTING, WHICH IS TO COME ON THE WHOLE WORLD, to test those who dwell on the earth." The Bride of Christ will be caught up before the time of special testing. All left on the Earth will be on trial after that.
God works in 7s. As a whole, mankind is to be tested for 7000 years. During 6000 of these years, god deals mainly with 3 groups of mankind. I Cor. 10:32 names these. It says, "Give none offence, neither to the JEWS, nor to the GENTILES, nor to the CHURCH of God." Within the 6000 years, there are three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church.
What happened to the Jews are examples for the Church. I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Jews) FOR ENSAMPLES: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends (plural) of the world (ages) are come." We are living in the last 2000-year age. The Age of the Jews has a 7-year end that is still to come, the 70th week of Daniel 9:27. It looks like the "ENDS" of each of the other 2 ages run concurrently with the end of the Age of the Jews, which is the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.
Job 8:8-10 says, "For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:) Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?"
Examples for the Church are found among the Jews in the previous age. Lev 26:18 says, "if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you SEVEN TIMES more for your sins." Verse 21 says, "if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring SEVEN TIMES more plagues upon you according to your sins." Verses 23 and 24 say, "if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet SEVEN TIMES for your sins." In verses 27 and 28, we read of the 5th cycle of discipline. The LORD says, if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in FURY (ending with the Day of God's Wrath); and I, even I, will CHASTISE you SEVEN TIMES for your sins."
Times can mean years, as in Rev. 6:6,14. When the Laodiceans are spewed out of Christ's mouth at the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Lord tells them, "As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent." It seems that this chastening of the Church will last SEVEN TIMES, just as the chastening of the Jews will last seven years.
> > Can you show me anywhere in the bible where it says that the church has to be removed before the start of Daniels 70th week (Jacobs Trouble)
Daniel's 70th week is not all the time of Jacob's trouble, which is just one day. The 70th week is the time of testing that will come on all the world. Rev. 3:10,11 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM (ek, OUT OF) the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial or test), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirasai, try or test) them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (at the Pre-Trib Rapture): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."
Isa. 57:1-3 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPES), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (acaph, REMOVED, EVACUATED), none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY (acaph, REMOVED, EVACUATED) FROM THE EVIL TO COME. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds (in glory, Psa. 149:5), each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near (the Tribulation) hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore." Psa. 12:1 (RSV) says, "Help, LORD; for there is no longer any that is godly; for THE FAITHFUL HAVE VANISHED from among the sons of men."
> > The problem that alot of people have, is that they mix up the strengthening of the 7 year covenant, with daniels 70th week (jacobs trouble)
The covenant is confirmed as the 70th week of Daniel begins. Dan. 9:27 (LITV) says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm a covenant with the many (probably the UN) for one week. And in the middle of the week he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease (when he sits in the temple 'shewing himself that he is God,' II Thess. 2:4). And on a corner of the altar will be abominations (idols) that desolate, even until the end (of the Tribulation). And that which was decreed (for the Day of God's Wrath) shall pour out on the desolator" (the False Prophet).
And I got news, Daniels 70th week began when the end of the 6000th year since creation happened at Rosh Hashanah 2000... This was the exact end of 6000 completed years since creation, and it started daniels 70th week.
I think the 6000 years of man's test being both mortal and knowing good and bad ended on Rosh Hashanah in 1998. The Jewish year 5758 was 480 years since Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the Catholic Church door in Wittenberg, Germany on Oct. 31, 1517 (5278). The year 5758 (1997/1998) may have been when the 4 years of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 started. If so, the 4 years might be (1) 5759 (1998/1999), (2) 5760 (1999/2000), (3) 5761 (2000/2001) and (4) 5762 (2001/2002). The last year would end as Rosh HaShanah starts on Sept. 7, 2002.
> > The covenant with the ac does NOT start daniels 70th week, and there is no scriptural proof that does show this in any way.
Dan. 9:17 says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall CONFIRM (GABAR, STRENGTHEN) THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK" (OF YEARS). That week of years is 7 years. To strengthen the covenant with many for one week means that he would strengthen the covenant as the 7-year period began. Otherwise, it would say that he would strengthen the covenant for 6 years, or 5 years, or 4 years, or 3 years, or 2 years, or 1 year. He causes the sacrificing to cease "IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK." That puzzle piece fits with the 1260 days that Moses and Elijah prophesy, Rev. 11:3. At the end of the 1260 days (midst of the week of years), the False Prophet will come to full power and kill Moses and Elijah. That will be "IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK."
> > I figured that most of you would have got it by now, as there is no time left at all for any kind of 7 year man made tribulation
This is 2001. Adding 7 years is 2008. From that we have to subtract the amount of time the Tribulation is to be shortened. We still have time for the shortened Tribulation.
> > Daniel's 70th week IS Prophetic (360 days)
I think we are to count the exact 1260 days on the Jewish Calendar. It has 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, or 385 days. It never has a 360-day year.
> > The Covenant of the Antichrist MUST run for a minimum of 3 & 1/2 years and the the last half of it be shrotened BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST!
I think the Day of God's Wrath will shorten the Great Tribulation's events, but that Christ will not return on that day. That Day of God's Wrath is a day of "thick darkness" (Joel 3:1-3), caused by the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10. Zech. 14:5-7 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that THE LIGHT SHALL NOT BE CLEAR, NOR DARK: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."
> > God CANNOT shorten WHAT He has already DETERMINED
God can do anything he wants to do and in any manner he wishes to. We can't impose our rules on him.
> > ALL OF THESE MUST BE DONE IN THE CONCLUDING YEAR THAT THE "GENERATION" COMES TO ITS COMPLETION!
In Mt. 23:36, Jesus told the Pharisees, "All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." From Palm Sunday in 30 AD, when the Pharisees rejected Christ as king, to Av 10, in 70 AD, when the temple proper was burned, was 40 years plus another 120 days. From Iyar 28, when the temple mount was regained in 1967, to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is 40 years plus another 120 days. Tishri 1, 5768 is the first day of 5768. I think that by the time 5768 is over, all the things mentioned in Dan. 9:24 will be fulfilled. That year is not over until Sept. 30, 2008 (Tishri 1, 5769). We have not yet run out of time. Jesus commanded us to watch. Things will become clearer as we go along. Watch Israel, the peace-process, the UN, UR and the Pope. I expect the Rapture before the covenant is confirmed. Agape
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