Posted 11-10-01
Condoleezza Rice said..."You cannot help us with Al Qaeda and hug Hezbollah — that's not acceptable — or Hamas. The president continues to make that clear to Mr. Arafat and there are no plans to meet with Mr. Arafat in New York..."
Rice continued that Arafat does not take seriously enough responsibilities that are required of a national leader.
"There are responsibilities that come with being the representative of the Palestinian people and that means to make certain that you do everything you can to lower the level of violence, everything that you can to root out terrorists," Rice said....
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Bush Administration Puts Arafat on Notice.
http://www.debka.com/
11-9-01...Ms. Rice with those words incidentally confirmed what DEBKAfile has been reporting in the last 11 months, that Arafat has established a covert partnership with the Hizballah for collusion in terrorist operations against Israel. By this relationship, the Palestinian leader placed himself in range as a target in the American war on terror.
Now the Americans have put him on notice; he must at this twelfth hour change his ways, drop his ties with terrorist groups such as Hizballah and suppress the Hamas, the Jihad Islami and the Front for the Liberation of Palestinian, or else he and the Palestinian people will take the consequences.
That ultimatum is meant not only for Arafat’s ears, but also for Syrian president Bashar Assad, who explains to the Americans that the Hizballah is only a popular liberation movement; and for Lebanese prime minister Rafiq Hariri, who the day before refused a US demand to freeze Hizballah assets in Beirut banks.
That ultimatum has cleared the way for the United States to take its anti-terror war to Lebanon and fight all those who "hug" terrorist organizations.
The Bush statement and its follow-up by Rice are Washington’s reply to moderate Arab rulers, such as those of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who made their backing for America’s war on terror conditional on a precise definition of the term terrorist and on a Middle East settlement acceptable to the Arabs.
Those rulers, out of a natural concern to preserve their own regimes, have stalwartly refused to let their domestic terrorist groups be defined as terrorist and therefore fit targets for the US-led war on terror.
The Bush administration has now short-circuited their maneuvers and put them on notice alongside Yasser Arafat.
Anyway--lest it seem a repeat of what I just said I WOULDN'T do--I am leaning toward next Spring or April as POSSIBLY something significant which will occur. I can't explain it thouroughly. Well-here goes my best attempt anyway. I read Thessalonians-and it would seem to me that the great apostasy/revealing of the 'man of sin' as it were; even the 7 YEAR COVENANT being signed could be something which we could envision just this side of the Rapture (likely could be the 10 days of Tribulation for some of the churches). Why? Because I wouldn't be surprised if just AFTER the Rapture the 1st Seal occured-and such 'conquering' would only likely be a result of the agreements reached just PREVIOUSLY in signing the agreement. I just realized something writing this; that this precident for war and coalitions/agreements; etc. has been going on for quite some time now with the UN/USA and the Arab nations. Of course this revealing of Antichrist has been thought by you and most others to be necessarily after the Holy Spirit has removed the church from the earth at the Rapture; but just thinking about the subject I feel has revealed to me the opposite. I feel the Spirit telling me this; but of course it is not the popular setting. Just think of it this way...(if you will be open minded enough to print this in your next Pro/Cons). If such a peace deal is brokered; wouldn't it be touted as the "same old thing" by most pagans AND lukewarm Christians who have been gradually seduced to all this brokering and peace dealings with the UN for years now? Only the DISCERNING believer would notice someone from Israel most likely...who has the Charisma and intensity to be the Antichrist; and the world would CLEARLY see the powerful effect of such a persona. But if the Rapture hadn't happened YET; wouldn't it be easier for apostate BELIEVERS to fall for such a trap; hence say-- where is the time of this COMING (Peter?) With the threat or perhaps an actual nuclear or more catastrophic conventional attack against us; or our rmies abroad; or other nations...it would seem the "only sensible thing to do" to broker the Mitchell agreement or other such "partitioning covenant." Jerusalem clearly WILL be divided until the Lord returns (HALF the city will be taken...) Who would listen at that time; when such an agreement is forwarded and signed and agreed to (at least steps would be prepared for ARAFAT and/or his henchmen still around; and the USA (If still around...ugh!!) and other countries surrounding...for final implementation? It would seem to the world that such an extension of a 7 year Oslo agreement (confirming rather than implementing of an entirely NEW one...wasn't the final one).
Just thought it was important enough to mention. One thing is for sure; these days temptations are stronger than ever; in our impatience to be with Jesus. "You shall long to see one of the days of the Son of Man; but shall NOT see it" (Matthew). In Him
God gave us the written Word as an anchor to keep us steady. We need to compare everything with Scripture to see if these things are so. Acts 17:11 says, "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
2Th 2:1-9 starts by giving us the SUBJECT of this passage. the coming of Christ at the Rapture and our being caught up to him. The World English Bible (WEB) says, "Now, brothers (believers), CONCERNING THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST (at the Rapture), AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM (at the Rapture)."
After the subject is made clear, it says, "we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (all major MSS have day of the Lord, the Millennium) had come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the 1000-year Day of the Lord) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (apostasia, departure, disappearance; Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek) COMES FIRST, and THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED (SECOND), the son of destruction (the False Prophet); he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he (the False Prophet) sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God (Mid-Trib). Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? Now you know what (the Holy Spirit in us, the salt of the Earth) is restraining him (the False Prophet), to the end THAT HE MAY BE REVEALED IN HIS OWN SEASON (THE TRIBULATION). For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (at the Rapture). Then (after the Rapture) the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18).
The Rapture precedes the revealing of the False Prophet at the beginning of the Tribulation.
> > if the Rapture hadn't happened YET; wouldn't it be easier for apostate BELIEVERS to fall for such a trap
I don't think we are left with any leeway. Scripture tells us that the Rapture happens "first." Then, after the Rapture, the son of perdition is revealed as the Tribulation begins.
Isa. 57:1 says, "THE RIGHTEOUS perisheth (abad, ESCAPES, VANISHES), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, GATHERED, REMOVED, EVACUATED), none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY (acaph, GATHERED, REMOVED, EVACUATED) FROM THE EVIL TO COME" (the Tribulation that comes after the Rapture).
> > Jerusalem clearly WILL be divided until the Lord returns (HALF the city will be taken...) Who would listen at that time
No one. Zech. 14:2 is on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, It is the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle (Gog's army attacks); and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and HALF of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." The asteroids will fall down from Heaven and stop that army. Jesus' Long Day was prefigured for us by Joshua's Long Day. Jesus from the Hebrew is Joshua.
Joshua 10:11,12 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN UPON THEM unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon."
On Jesus' Long Day, "the curse" that hits Earth is the binary asteroid described in Zech. 5:1-4; Rev. 8:8,10. Isa. 24:5,6 tells us why it hits Earth. It says, "because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
> > It would seem to the world that such an extension of a 7 year Oslo agreement (confirming rather than implementing of an entirely NEW one...wasn't the final one).
The agreement may not be meant to be the final one, but time will run out when the days of the Great Tribulation are shortened.
> > "You shall long to see one of the days of the Son of Man; but shall NOT see it" (Matthew)..
Luke 17:22-30 says, "he said unto the disciples, The DAYS (PLURAL, i.e., TWO RAPTURES) will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN (THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE), and ye shall not see it (i.e., if you are one of those left behind). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there (in the Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:26): go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY (Rapture 2 is when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the heavens, Mt. 24:30). But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the DAYS (PLURAL, i.e., the 2 Raptures) of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day (prefiguring the 1st Day of the Son of Man, the Pre-Trib Rapture) that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot (prefiguring the 2nd Day of the Son of Man, the Pre-Wrath Rapture); they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed" (the day of the 2nd Rapture is the Day of God's Wrath). Agape
First, was his statement that "Leonid meteor storms happen when Earth passes through CLOUDS of dusty debris shed by comet 55P/Tempel-Tuttle when it comes close to the Sun EVERY 33 YEARS. 33 years caught my eye since we know Jesus was this age when He was crucified. We also know that derivatives of the number 3 (33) can signify divinity.
Second, the reference to CLOUDS made me think of Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he is coming with the CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him."
Thirdly, we also know from Luke 21 and other passages that there would be important signs of His return in the heavens. This meteor shower (or sometimes storm) is called the Leonids because they appear to radiate out of the constellation Leo. This should ring a bell. Leo is pictured in the constellations as a lion, a strong reference to the conquering "Lion of Judah."
Last of all, I wondered how close the near earth passing of the Tempel-Tuttle Comet fell to the dates of Christ's birth and death. Since confirmed dates of the comets passage are dated back through the middle ages, we can see that its orbit is not exactly 33 years. Its more like 33.33 years. When we go back in time from its last near earth approach in November 1998 by increments of 33.33 years, we just so happen to come across some interesting coincidences. 1998 was an interesting year in itself since this may mark the end of 6,000 years of time. 1965 was soon before the six-day war in Israel. When we get back to the time of Christ it was on the scene in early 32 AD and of course in 1 BC. Who knows when it was around in the days of Noah?
I for one plan to be watching in the early morning of November 18. Waiting for His return
And in verse 17, the time of Jacobs Trouble jumps ahead to when the Second Coming occurs, when it says "But on Mt Zion, there shall be deliverance". This right there tells me that the time of Jacobs Trouble is more than one single day right there in the scriptures.
I believe that verse 15, which referes to the day of the lord, began on Rosh Hashanah 2000, when the 7 good years ended, the 7 bad started, also known as daniels 70th week. I believe that this is also known as the Day of the Lord, and it will last exactly 7 years and end on Rosh Hashanah 2007 with the start of the Second Coming, with the Second Coming ending on Yom Kippur 2007, the day of Atonement, and then the millenial reign on Tabernacles...
The reason I believe this is accurate, is because the bible proves to us that Daniels 70th week cannot be shortened, but yet, the 7 year covenant of the antichrist IS shortened, for the elects sake. So we have two 7 year periods which are different, but seem to overlap each other, according to what Im getting out of the scriptures...and the beauty of it is, It Fits with what is happening right now all over the world. The rapture window began last Rosh Hashanah, and I believe that we will soon be outta here, perhaps by the end of this year....but if we are still here come the summer of 2003, then something has seriously gone wrong with the way that ALL of us interpret the bible.
Anyways, I know we do not agree on this jacobs trouble issue, but you have such a wonderful site, and the lord has truley blessed you. Keep up the great work you have done in the Lords name. God Bless. Mark Copfer
http://pub28.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2340524032
> > the events of this book in the bible have already come to pass... such the example, as the space station that came crashing down which relates to verse 4 in Obadiah.
Obadiah is about the day of Jacob's trouble, as you said. However, it is only one day, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Verse 8 mentions "THAT DAY," when the wise men out of Edom are destroyed. Verse 12 calls it "THE DAY of distress." Verse 14 also calls it "THE DAY of distress." Just before the day arrives, verse 15 says, "the day of the LORD (the Millennium) is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: THY REWARD shall return upon thine own head." Thy reward is the sentence given for all unbelievers left on Earth at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is on the 1st day of the Millennium.
Rev. 11:17,18 says, "thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH."
In Obad. 3,4, the LORD (THE LORD OF HOSTS, THE GOD OF ISRAEL, THE REDEEMER, THE PRE-INCARNATE CHRIST, Isa. 44:6) breaks through and speaks directly to Satan, the god of the "heathen" (v. 2). The LORD said, "The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock (the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11), whose habitation is high (out in space, orbiting the Sun); that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? (Michael and his angels, Rev. 12:7,8) Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set THY NEST AMONG THE STARS (in the heavens), thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD. " The asteroid Wormwood will destroy Babylon in Iraq. Jer 9:15 says, "Therefore thus saith THE LORD OF HOSTS, THE GOD OF ISRAEL; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with WORMWOOD, and give them water of gall to drink."
> > in verse 17, the time of Jacobs Trouble jumps ahead to when the Second Coming occurs, when it says "But on Mt Zion, there shall be deliverance". This right there tells me that the time of Jacobs Trouble is more than one single day right there in the scriptures.
Verse 17 is not the Second Coming. That is still 7 months future (Eze. 39:12,13). This is the day of Jacob's trouble, the Day of God's Wrath, the 1st day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord. Like Solomon, Christ will purge his kingdom right at first. Verse 18 continues telling us of the Day of God's Wrath It says, "And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it."
> > I believe that verse 15, which referes to the day of the lord, began on Rosh Hashanah 2000, when the 7 good years ended, the 7 bad started, also known as daniels 70th week. I believe that this is also known as the Day of the Lord, and it will last exactly 7 years and end on Rosh Hashanah 2007 with the start of the Second Coming
The Day of the Lord can't come until after Elijah prophesies for 1260 days (Rev. 11:3). The Old Testament ends with Mal. 4:5,6. It says, "I will send you ELIJAH the prophet BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." The Earth is hit with "the curse" (Zech. 5:4) on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. Christ does not return to Earth on that day of "thick darkness" (Joel 2:1-3). When he comes 7 months later, Zech. 14.5-7 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, NOR DARK. But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."
Eze. 39:11-13 says, "it shall come to pass in that day (after 'the curse' hits Earth'), that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent, when he returns in glory), saith the Lord GOD."
Psa 102:16 says, "When the LORD shall build up Zion, HE SHALL APPEAR IN HIS GLORY."
The Day of the Lord lasts 1000 years, not 7. Rev. 20:6 says, "they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
> > Second Coming ending on Yom Kippur 2007, the day of Atonement, and then the millenial reign on Tabernacles
I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year. In 5768 (2007/2008), there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, because 5768 is a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month.
Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." He came the first time as the former rain (Tishri 1) and will return as the latter rain (Nisan 1).
Eze. 29:17 sets the day, "the first month, in the first day of the month" (Nisan 1). Then v. 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word, the Logos) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I (Christ) am the LORD" (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6).
> > The reason I believe this is accurate, is because the bible proves to us that Daniels 70th week cannot be shortened, but yet, the 7 year covenant of the antichrist IS shortened, for the elects sake. So we have two 7 year periods which are different, but seem to overlap each other
There is no scripture that I know of that directly says that the 70th week of Daniel can't be shortened, or that the 7-year covenant is shortened. What is clear is that the Great Tribulation (last 3.5 years of the 7 years) is shortened. In Mt. 24:21-23, Jesus said, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not."
The Great Tribulation is 3.5 years long (Rev. 12:6,9), not 7-years. It has not already lasted another 3.5 years by this time either, for the Great Tribulation is "such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time." The only way the 7-year periods get shortened is by the last 3.5-year Great Tribulation getting shortened.
Rev 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you (Mid-Trib), having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT time." The Great Tribulation is the "SHORT time."
Rev 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (kings of Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome), and one is (the Tribulation Pope), and the other ('another,' the False Prophet, Rev. 13:11) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a SHORT space" (the Great Tribulation).
> > The rapture window began last Rosh Hashanah, and I believe that we will soon be outta here, perhaps by the end of this year
You may be right about this. Maybe we will be outta here by Dec. 19, 2001. I think this year is the 4th year of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Roughly, that would be (1) 1998, (2) 1999, (3) 2000, and (4) 2001. Israel has sure been digged about and dunged ever since 5761 started Sept. 30, 2000. This year, 5761, seems to be the 1st year of the 7 bad years.
The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, and ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. Add the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, and we come to Tishri 1, 5761, which was Sept. 30, 2000. This would make the year 5762 (Sept. 30, 2000 to Sept. 18, 2001) the first of the bad years. It has been very bad for Israel ever since Sept. 30, 2000, that's for sure. If we add the 14 years (7 good and 7 bad) to Tishri 1, 5754, we come to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). I think that will be the 1st day of the Millennium and the Day of God's Wrath. Seven months later, Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008) is when I think the 2nd Advent will be. Subtracting the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 from Apr. 6, 2008 brings us to Dec. 19, 2001. I hope the Rapture takes place before that day.
It looks like the first half of the Tribulation will be 1260 days (Rev. 11:3). This leaves 1040 days for the shortened Great Tribulation, which would end at the Second Advent. We should know soon if this is the right way to figure all of this.
In Dan. 8:13,14, the sanctuary is to be cleansed after 2300 days. In Eze. 45:18, the sanctuary is to be cleansed on Nisan 1. That seems to put the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5768, Apr. 6, 2008, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar.
Palm Sunday in 30 AD, when Jesus came to the temple and was refused as king, to Av 10 in 70 AD, when the temple proper was burned, was 40 years plus another 120 days. If this was a shadow of our days, there are 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967, when Israel regained the temple area, to Sept. 13, 2007, when I think the Day of God's Wrath will be. Blessings and agape
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