Pro and Con 849

Posted 12-22-01

Bin Laden named nine hijackers on tape, not one
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/20/ret.bin.laden.translation/index.html
Bin Laden on the videotape released by the Defense Department last week, By David Ensor
112-21-01 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The original translation of the Osama bin Laden videotape misses the fact that bin Laden identifies nine of the hijackers, a Saudi dissident says and an independent translator hired by CNN confirmed Thursday....

Also left out of the translation, they said, were the names of three Saudi clerics who publicly backed the attacks, according to the man speaking with bin Laden on the tape. At least one of those three Saudi clerics was possibly a government official.

One more striking example of detail left out of the government translation, according to Al-Ahmed and the independent translator: Bin Laden's description of exactly what he said to others just before the radio announcement that the first of the attacks had succeeded.

They quoted him as saying he told followers, "When you hear a breaking news announcement on the radio, kneel immediately, and that means they have hit the World Trade Center."

My heartfelt thanks to some great people

People are sure nice to me. One man is sending me his copy of my main web site files and the Pro and Cons up to July. Another man is sending my Pro and Cons July through 845. I can breathe easier now.

A Bible-study group is getting me a new web site that will hold everything. I will need copies of my web site to UL soon. So you know why I have had these problems, and how thankful I am to all these helpful people.

I am also thankful for the step by step instructions a lady sent me so I could start using my CD RW drive. I am thankful for others that have e-mailed me with similar offers to send files and great suggestions for dealing with my computer. Thanks, my friends. May the Lord bless you much.

I still wonder why downloading and installing Norton AntiVirus 2002 caused my computer to not recognize my TracBall. I have to go through my new routine to get it to recognize it every time I start up, but the TracBall is well worth it. I'm just so thankful that I can use it again.

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Thank you so very much for your wonderful study and research of the Bible. I have been reading you for months. I am concerned......are you there? You have not posted a message since the 16th. Love and Peace

My reply

Yes, I'm very much here and learning new things because my computer forced me to.

I UL Pro and Con 848 on the 19th, but in my haste, I forgot to insert a break and change the date on that Pro and Con from the 14th to the 19th. The top of the home page sure looks funny. I'll try to get that fixed as I UL Pro and Con 849. Shalom and agape

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Even the World Council of Churches wants Israel out of the land God gave them:

Ps 83: "Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2) For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3) They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4) They have said, Come, AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION; THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL MAY BE NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE."

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/news/press/01/48pre.html
World Council of Churches Office of Communication Press Release
Prayers and messages for peace in the Middle East

12-20-01 Switzerland...The World Council of Churches (WCC) has compiled a resource pack of prayers and messages to help its member churches and partners launch a campaign in 2002 in support of peace in the Middle East - a campaign which focuses on ending the illegal occupation of Palestine....

The campaign was initiated by the WCC executive committee at its meeting in September, calling upon member churches and ecumenical partners "to focus attention in 2002 on intensive efforts to End the Illegal Occupation of Palestine" in the context of the Decade to Overcome Violence (DOV)....

Decade to Overcome Violence (2001-2010) At the Eighth Assembly of the WCC in Harare, Zimbabwe, delegates representing more than 300 WCC member churches brought the Decade to Overcome Violence (DOV) into being. The Assembly declared that on issues of non-violence and reconciliation, the WCC should "work strategically with the churches... to create a culture of non-violence". The Decade, which was launched world-wide in February 2001, will build on already existing initiatives around the world, and offer a forum for sharing experiences and establishing relationships so as to learn from one another.

My reply

Ouch!

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Re: Al-Qaida fighters airlifted to safety
Looks like the cancer metastasized! How long before we hear THIS on our alphabet news systems!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25783

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Anyone who has doubted that the Mark of the Beast, prophezied in Rev. 13:16-18, would ever be real... can now officially eat crow and cease being a scoffer. It is HERE!!!!!!!! The rest of us have been vindicated and by none less than the liberal L.A . TIMES. ---
A CHIP ID That's Only Skin-Deep
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-121901chips.story
12-19-01 Biotech: Firm plans to sell implantable devices that can store a variety of data about you.

By DAVID STREITFELD -- A Florida company is poised to become the first to sell microchips designed to be implanted into human beings, an achievement that opens the door to new systems of medical monitoring and ID screening.

Interesting fireball that left rocks on the ground

10-12-01 Fireball ignites scientific curiosity
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_968000/968749.stm
The fireball lit up the sky over North America

By Dr David Whitehouse: Scientists have revealed new data about a meteorite that could be one of the most primitive Solar System objects yet studied.

The space rock was recovered from the frozen Tagish Lake in Canada. The meteorite has aroused huge excitement among researchers because its fragments could help us understand better how the planets were formed.

The rock fell to Earth on 18 January, 2000. The exceptionally long and bright fireball was seen throughout the Yukon, Northern British Columbia, parts of Alaska, and the Northwest Territories.

Several dozen pieces of it have been retrieved....

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From: Paisley, Scotland, UK
Re: Season's Greetings
Thank you for your P&C pages in 2001.

Every Blessing in Jesus Christ to you and your family.

My reply

Thanks. It's sure nice to hear from Scotland. Happy holidays. Agape

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Re: Not Using The Mouse
So what is the secret to not using the mouse to click on something? Is there a key on the keyboard that can be pressed instead? I would be really interested in knowing. Thanks. God Bless

My reply

Enter will click a button that has a line around the edges.

I had to be desperate to even want to try to remember keyboard commands, but when the mouse or TracBall won't work, those commands are the way to get out of trouble. I had a Ram memory problem at the same time. Somehow I got out of trouble by removing programs and files I didn't need from the Startup Folder. I kept praying and trying everything I could think of or see in the little book that came with the PC. I still have a Ram memory problem to work through, but my computer is acting right. Maybe if I take e-sword out of the Startup Folder it will work. There are 8 Bibles in that program, plus a few other reference works. Last night, I DL MSInternet Explorer 6. It won't install until I can clear more things out of RAM, but that is the least of my worries. IE5 is still working just fine.

Here are commands that I used to get my computer to recognize my TracBall. I think it would be the same for the Mouse.
Ctrl + Esc brings up the Start Menu.
The Up Arrow moves up to Settings.
The R Arrow brings me to Control Panel on the right.
Enter opens the Control Panel.
The Down Arrow selects successive files to select Mouse.
Enter opens the Mouse Properties.
Enter gets you through each page of the Quick Setup.
Ctrl + a few Tabs gets you over to the Tab called Devices.
Alt + v activates Add Device, and then it recognizes my TracBall. I can use it.

I have to do that each time I start up. Why it don't remember it, I don't know. This started when I DL Norton AntiVirus 2002. It was about 2:30 AM when the DL finished. I turned off the computer and went to bed. At startup the next morning, Norton was up and running just fine, but my little arrow wouldn't move and I couldn't click. I reloaded the software that came with the TracBall. There was a conflict with what was on the computer. The software was an older program than what was already on there. I loaded it anyway. I wanted to use that TracBall. It worked, but with the minor hitch that I have to make the PC recognize it after each Startup. It is certainly worth the trouble. I can do that....

These are the kind of things I thought I could get by without knowing, but in an emergency when the Mouse or TracBall doesn't work, they will get you out of trouble. Agape

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Re: NAV 2002
I have the NAV 2002 as well. I ordered a disk to install it instead of DL it. I hope your mental health survived the installation/DL process.

My reply

My mental health is fine. I am a pretty strong person. The 2 hours plus on 2 different nights to DL it just cut into my sleep, because I started at 11 PM each night. However, one morning, I was uptight trying to figure my way out of my difficulties without having an arrow that would move or a click to tell my computer what to do. I am the only one here that knows anything much about the computer, and I don't know a whole lot. It was all up to me. Ed yelled that ice skating was on. I debated whether I should watch it or wrestle with my computer. Watch it won out. It is my favorite thing to watch. It was good that I did that. It got me relaxed and better able to think things through. Trouble was, I thought things through after I went to bed too, didn't sleep till after 4 AM one night. Anyway, I'm back in business and none the worse for the wear.

I aim to keep Symantec's Norton AV 2002. It is rated above McAfee, and it checks both incoming and outgoing mail. That's important. Years ago, I got Symantec's SAM AntiVirus program for my Mac. The salesman said it was the best then. The NAV isn't kind to my TracBall, but I like that thing so well, I'll gladly go through a routine upon startup to get my computer to recognize the TracBall. I've learned what to do. Agape

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Re: indoneisan bible
i read your website regulary . there is something that i want to tell you.

Malaysia and indonesia are two very ethinically and linguistically related nations. the langauge of Indonesia and Malaysia are "bhasha indonesia and bhasha malay" . many of the words are very much a mixture of arabic, ancient sanskrit of india and local words."

since they dont have their own script they use the latin alphabets or the same as that of english or french making it among the very few asian langauges that have modern scripts that was developed after the 19th century.

there is something ialso like to remind you. Indonesia is has a huge christian population. yes they are a minority compared to muslims . both malaysia and indonesia has muslmi majority populations. but there are huge numbers ofChristians.

and in EVERY CHRISTIAN BIBLE that is in bhasha indonesia and bhasha malay the word Lord is called "allah"

now i know very well and agree with you that "ALLAH" of the muslims is a pagan god. but we musnt confuse the word "allah" of islam wth "allah" of the bhasha indonesia and bhasha malay BIBLES TRANSLATED directly from king james version.

it is their language. they call "Lord" as "alla" or "allah" many confuse it to be same as that of the islamic diety.

allah today is a malay and bhasha indonesian word for "Lord" just as "lord" is a english word. EL is a hebrew word, DIO is a spanish word and "PARAMESHWAR" is the hindi langauge word used by Christians there.

it is well known that indonesian and malay Christiians number in their millions and are sinciere to Lord Jesus just as you are.

but sometimes i notice that among many western christians the word "allah" brings a kind of confusion. i can paste u a scripture from the ordinary indonesian bible

the verse JOHN 3:16 that is now told in all churches of indonesia INCLUDING baptist and pentecostal and evanglical or roman catholic everywhere. i will put the verse here taken from the indonesian bible

now i must remind you indonesia and malaysia arnt english speaking nations. their populations dont know english. we cant impose english upon the poor people or tell them that "you must only read english bible"

wrong.

God is praised in their tounges too. it is a matter of understanding the words.

recently a indonesian christian a humble man who visited the United states was asked to read a verse john 3:16 from the approved indonesian bible in the bhasha indonesian langauge

it was as follows he read

Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal. [YOHANNES 3:16]

that is the indonesian bible and the malay bibles.. theword God is called "allah" intheir langauges...it is not the allah of islam..but rather the word "God" in thier langauges.

after he finished reading many pentecostal right wing american christians got up and declared him heretic and judged him to be a muslim. it is WRONG. it is done out of IGNORANCE.

may i also remind you that MAJORITY OF PLANET EARTH'S born again and sinciere Christians are NON AMERICANS nor NON U.S CITIZENS. its a truth.

majority of Asia's born again christains are ow comming from INDONESIA, malaysia the philippines, india.

if their langauges are somewhat different from us We need to understand that. I hope that this e-mail makes a effort to remove the terrible misunderstanding and judgemental attitiude of many ignorant western christians against indonesian christains and malay christians blaming the entire millions of Christians intheir nations for just using the word "Allah" because thats the ONLY WORD they have in the bible that has been SCRUTINIZED and Translated Strictly as per king james version by BOTH Non indonesians and indonesian biblical scholars based totally on the INDONESIAN langauge.

i hope you paste this up in pro and cons to make this aware. that we dont misjudge our indonesian christian brothers and sisters or malay christians just because ofthe word "allah" . it will be a terrible sin if we know the truth and yet choose to remain ignorant to other people's langauges and their way of proununciation.

a simple example too i put

the FRENCH WORD FOR "postman" and a popular american bad word both sound the same. i dont wish to go deep into it. it dont mean when the french say "post man" they mean sincierly with their heart "POST MAN HAS COME" or the mail man has come.

but if a american who is ignorant about french hears it he thinks that the french man is cursing him.

another example is the word "dua"

DUA in urdu langauge national langauge of pakistan and arabic means "blessing"

while at the same time it is known that the word "DUA" is present in more than 40 langauges with different meanings. it also means "cat" in a sub saharan african langauge and "demon" in a far off pacific islands.

so to put it in simple words

a pakistani man , a sub saharan african man , and a polynesian man sit together in one room. they are drinking tea and talking about Marilyn J agee's website.

then the pakistani Christian says in broken english and urdu saying "i pray To Yeshu(jesus) that there may be PLENTY OF DUA (blessing) in your lives.

then the polynesian man hears dua (demon) and he runs out of the place calling the pakistani man crazy.

then the sub saharan man says to the pakistani "wow thank you sir . i wish for lot of DUA (cats) in my life my home is overrun with mice.

that is what one word DUA can have effect on 3 human beings. from different langauges and cultures equeally important to the eyes of God just as american you or anyone else.

same way is the word "allah"

the muslim says "oh allah curse the infedils and make me strong" while He means the pagan moon god.

but a indonesian christian kneels down every night and says "Allah bless Marilyn j agee" i pray this in name of Christu yamin."

He means the Lord God in his langauge.

note the difference. because what itold you here is the langauge of more than 450 million people of south east asia. comprising of both muslims and non muslims and millions of christiians. and many of them who read your website and agree with you. sincierly

My reply

Thank you so much for all of your good information. Words do mean different things in different languages. We should take all that you said to heart. God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart, so he understands us correctly no matter what words we use. I'm thankful for that. Agape

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RE: Current Events
Good Morning Dear Sister in the Lord, I was so disappointed and brokenhearted when the Lord did not come for us, before Dec. 19th. Something like the feeling of a bride left at the altar. However, after reading the most recent Pro and Con; my spirit was refreshed. Thank You.

Concerning current events, I was reminded of some things from Fritz Springmeier's book, "Bloodlines of the Illuminati".
AFGHANISTAN:
p.7- "The mountains of Afghanistan and Persia were sacred to the ancient worlds, in part because they were the homeland of the origin of the occult power that has ruled the world. The mountains were seen as the birthplace of the god Wind (Enlil, the benevolent provider god)and mountains (and man-made high places) as sacred temple sites." p.8- "If a particular mother city, or center of the entire occult power structure were to be given, it would be Balkh, Afghanistan and the Roshaniya and the Sufis that originated from that area. (Balkh has also been called Bactra and Zariaspa on some maps)".
BELGIUM:
p. 205- "in southern Belgium, near the village of Muno there is the Mothers-of-Darkness castle. It has a room of a thousand lights. That room is ornate and has balconies. In that castle, is a cathedral and in that cathedral's basement, a little baby is sacrificed daily and its blood is used as ink to write in a special large book the history of how the Anti-Christ is coming to power. The pages are written almost round the clock.....The history in that handwritten book would reveal the real facts behind the propaganda that the world's major news medias give the gullible public."

I don't think that we should dwell on these awful evil situations, but knowing about them does draw us more closely into the arms of our Loving Saviour.
II Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us a spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." In His Love and Care

My reply

We have to hang in there till the very end, no matter how long we have to wait.

I have never heard of that book. Do you suppose that's true? I hope not. Agape

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...from the Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible and Christianity, which was first published in 1993.... "Saturnalia extended from December 17 to 24 and in A.D. 274 the emperor Aurelian made December 25 a feast of the invincible sun....

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From: Finland
You seem to became a regular computer specialist little by little ; ) I didnīt fully understand the big picture, but if you lost the content of your whole site data, I am sure many have downloaded the files. I too have a lot of p/cīs of 200 series onwards and probably many other files. I quess they are easy to just kick to their place?? Perhaps it is a good idea to slightly fix the pages, as Dec.19 is over. Might be wise to remove much of the dates but remain the big picture (the order of events) Especially 2. rapture is little known - and would be a big comfort to many foolish virgins. (Probably the 2 prophets tell these things to folks too)

Wonder if the big event is "postponed" till spring. The process to create OWG and a "peace" treaty is running, but how long does it take?

Have a peaceful holiday season! (And try to rest easy)Till the warning comes... Agape

ps we have a -3 F temperatures today and more of the same coming

My reply

Yes, I have learned a little more about my computer, only because I had to. It was either that or reload the original software. I was determined to find a workaround if it was at all possible. I was up till 1:30 AM last night and continued this morning deleting unnecessary files to try to install Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 that I DL but it couldn't find the necessary space to install.

Thanks for offering to send me my web site files, but that has already been taken care of by some very nice people. It will now be on a CD. I can add my Pro and Cons as I UL them now and have a good backup. I appreciate all the like offers and advise I've gotten so much.

> > Wonder if the big event is "postponed" till spring. The process to create OWG and a "peace" treaty is running, but how long does it take?

That makes two of us. I reread certain verses in different Bible versions to see if anything else would come clear about spring. It always seemed most likely until I thought the 2300 days must be counted back from Apr. 6, 2008, when I think Christ will return at the 2nd Advent. Now we know that isn't where they end. I'm exploring what "the last end of the indignation" means in Dan. 8:19. We need to know where the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 end. Also, do the 1260, 1290 or 1335 days of Dan. 12 mark the last end of the indignation? If there is a last end, there must be a first end. In the meantime, I'm watching world events, especially the news out of Israel.

Today's newspaper had a big beautiful picture of the right end of a huge rainbow that was seen in Palm Springs, east of us, yesterday, 12-21-01. It is similar the the picture that was in the paper when Ed and I drove into the end of one in Moreno Valley, east of us, but closer than Palm Springs. This one looks like it touched down in a field of windmill electric generators. I sure would have liked to have seen it, but this picture is next best.

That cold weather sounds like the kind I don't like, when it stings my nose to breathe and seems to whip wind right through my bones no matter what wraps I have on. When I went out to Jack in the Box for lunch today, I put on a light jacket, and that was too much. I couldn't wait to get it off.

Do you know anything about the Patriarch Bartholomew? I don't even know what church he is affiliated with.

Happy holidays. Agape

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RE: WOMEN IN THE WORK OF GOD, by BigMike
http://wedg.westhost.com/cgi-bin/forum_prn.cgi?fn=1008770191&topic_page=1008770191&msgdate=0112

THERE WERE MANY NOTABLE WOMEN GOD USED IN THE BIBLE.

Eve - the mother of all mankind - Genesis 3:6
Miriam - the co-leader and prophetess - Numbers 12:1-2; Micah 6:4
Deborah - the patriotic judge and prophetess - Judges 4:4
Ruth - the woman of constancy - Ruth 1:16
Hannah - the ideal mother - 1 Samuel 1:20 - 12:19
Abigail - the capable woman - 1 Samuel 25:3, 18-19
The Shunammite - the hospitable woman - 2 Kings 4:8-10
Esther - the self sacrificing woman - Esther 4:16
The Canaanite - the woman of faith - Matthew 15:28
Mary Magdalene - the transformed woman - Mark 16:1 & 9
Elizabeth - the humble woman - Luke 1:43
Mary - the humble woman chosen of God - Luke 1:30-38
Mary of Bethany - the woman immortalized by Christ - Matthew 26:13; Luke 10:42
Martha - the worried housekeeper - Luke 10:40
The Woman at the well - John 4:29
Dorcas - the benevolent seamstress - Acts 9:36
Lydia - the business woman - Acts 16:14,15
Priscilla - co-laborer of Paul and discipler of Apollos - Acts 18:26; Romans 16:3
Phoebe - a special messenger and servant of the church - Romans 16:1-2

WOMEN PORTRAYED SPECIAL DISTINCTIONS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Women were the last ones at the cross - Mark 15:47
Women were the first ones at the tomb - John 20:1
Women were the first to proclaim the resurrection - Matthew 28:8
A woman was the first witness to the Jews - Luke 2:37 & 38
Women participated in the first prayer meeting - Acts 1:14
A woman was the first European convert - Acts 16:14
A woman labored with Paul and discipled Apollos alongside her husband - Acts 18:18-26
Women contended in the gospel ministry alongside Paul - Philippians 4:3

GOD USED SPECIAL WOMEN TO DELIVER INSIGHTFUL MESSAGES TO HIS PEOPLE.

Miriam - Exodus 15:20
Deborah - Judges 4:4
Huldah - 2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:12
Ana - Luke 2:36

GOD WANTS TO USE WOMEN IN SPECIAL WAYS TO HIS GLORY.

Their skills are used to provide for His work - Exodus 35:25
Their compassion and provision ministers to the poor - Proverbs 31:20
Their small sacrifices are greatly esteemed by God - Luke 21:2-4
Their kindness teaches respect - Proverbs 11:16
Their noble character is an honor to their husband - Proverbs 12:4
Their wisdom builds a strong home - Proverbs 14:1
Their modesty and decency bring honor to God - 1 Timothy 2:9-10
Their example of self-control and ministry of discipleship produces godliness in younger women - Titus 2:3-5
Their submission, purity, and reverence can wins an unbelieving husband. - 1 Peter 3:1-2

My reply

Thanks for the list. Agape

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