Bret Easton
Ellis, of late-'80s literary brat-pack notoriety, has resonated controversy
ever since his first novel, Less Than Zero, was published during his
senior year at Bennington College in 1985. Ellis went on to write American
Psycho in 1991, a scathing critique of nihilistic excess and '80s'
greed, which focused further negative attention on the author - including
boycotts and death threats; threats, according to Ellis, like "being raped with a
nail-studded baseball bat. It was worse than a lot of the stuff in
American Psycho." The
Informers is Ellis's latest book, described in his own words as "a
kaleidoscopic and fractured view of Los Angeles in the early '80s," and it's
every bit as violent and depraved as his previous works.
baphomet asks: When will we hear from Donna Tartt again? I understand you
know her.
Ellis: She's working on a new book. I know she has a contract to
deliver it soon to her publishers. A murder mystery.
alexadroog asks: I've noticed in the majority of your books, you write
about experiences and the usage of narcotics. What is your interest with them and
how do you know so much about them?
Ellis: I don't really know that much about narcotics. At least not more
than the average young American. But I think that doing or trying drugs is a
right of passage amongst the American youth, as much as the SATs, drivers
licenses, etc. Drugs just seem to be something my characters like to do. But I'm
really not that interested in them, at least not on the same level as Burroughs.
capasso asks: What is your fascination with the 1980s?
Ellis: I have no fascination with the 1980s. It just so happens that
I've written all the books I've published so far during that time. The book I've
been working on the last five years takes place in the '90s so....
pold asks: What's your relation to the classics of realism? What I want to
say is that to me it seems like you're trying to reintroduce some classic
realistic rhetorics and accustomize them to the modern society. For example the
recurring characters (like in Balzac) and the way you treat the commodity society
of today. Can you comment on that?
Ellis: I'm not trying to do anything. I just don't think about things
like that when I'm working on a book. It's a very instinctual process and I'm not
aware of doing things like that. But what your saying sounds good.
grifter asks: I noticed that The Informers has a lot more
types of voices than you've previously done: men, women, young, older. As you
write more, and get older yourself, do you find yourself wanting to tackle more
"universal" themes and not just deal with stuff about "Generation X" age
characters?
Ellis: The Informers was written over a long period of
time and I wasn't conscious of the fact that I was putting together a book that
was filled with older people, women, etc. But yes, as I get older, the characters
seem to age with me.
capasso asks: Some of the details in American Psycho were a
little too real. I.e., the sound that the small intestine makes when it is
stepped on. Did you take anatomy classes in college?
Ellis: No.
djwayneb asks: What do you think of Cormac McCarthy....?
Ellis: All the Pretty Horses is his most conventional yet
also his best book. I think Blood Meridian is really overrated and
overall I'm kind of surprised by his popularity.
alexadroog asks: Mr. Ellis, in your reply you mentioned W. S. Burroughs.
What, if any, is your experience, thoughts about, and influence by him?
Ellis: None. I was not influenced by him. Read him after I was
influenced by everybody I was going to be influenced by. And like most of the
beats, thought his life was much, much, cooler than any of the actual writings.
janelleb asks: Why did you need intensely graphic rapes and violence
against women in American Psycho? Although I understand that the
book was not meant to be "pretty," I threw up (literally) after reading one
particular 10-page detailed violent rape description. Couldn't help but wonder -
what on earth was going through your mind as you wrote those? Kinda sick and
over the top, don't you think?
Ellis: I don't remember any 10-page detailed violent rape description.
What was going through my mind was the thoughts of this monster I was writing
about. And though it was not exactly fun to write those scenes, I felt they
needed to be there and I still feel they need to be there. Sorry that you puked.
arcadio asks: Who are the writers working today that interest you?
Ellis: Don Delillo, Robert Stone, Dennis Cooper, James Ellroy,
of course Joan Didion, some William Vollman. Among young writers, Pinckney
Benedict.
alijon asks: Do you feel that your success is deserved, given the
exploitative nature of your books?
Ellis: I don't feel any success is deserved.
alijon asks: What do you think will be the social relevance of, say,
Less Than Zero in 10 years or so?
Ellis: Don't know. I'm not really that concerned. If it's around, that
will be cool. If it's not, no sweat.
grifter asks: Especially in the last two novels, you explore themes (social
decadence, for example, and how it rots character) similar to noir writers like
Jim Thompson. Are you a reader of much noir fiction, and if so, who do you
particularly like?
Ellis: No, though maybe James Ellroy comes sort of close. I'm not a fan
of Jim Thompson's.
capasso asks: Was your college life as crazy as the ones you exemplify in
your novels?
Ellis: If it was, I wouldn't have been able to write the novels. I was
fairly straight-laced, even boring in college. I liked to watch.
arcadio asks: What were your grand designs when you en you started working
on The Informers?
Ellis: I had no grand designs. Started the informers in 1983, finished
it in 1994. It's really more a collection of stories than a novel.
djwayneb asks: In American Psycho I found the passages of
music commentary (about Genesis, et al.) very interesting and more "sick" than
some of the real violence ... what was up with that?
Ellis: Those groups just happened to be Patrick Bateman's faves and the
research that went into those chapters was much more grueling than any of the
violent chapters.
pold asks: Do you in any way feel related to the realists I mentioned above
(Balzac, Zola, Flaubert)? Have you read them? To me it seems as if you're trying
to do what they did for the late 20th century - or at least that's what my PhD
is about.
Ellis: You're totally right. Flaubert is one of my all time favorite
writers. Sentimental Education is one of my five all time favorite
books. Zola, so-so, Balzac, OK, but Flaubert, pretty major.
arcadio asks: Here's a bloated question. Delillo has talked about the ease
with which cultural materials are assimilated in the West, has pointed out the
speed of accommodation. Are you performing any sort of cultural critique with
your work? Or would you tend to think about your writing in literary historical
terms ... say a tradition?
Ellis: Neither. Neither. Neither. I tend not to think about what my
work means while I'm writing it. And then after it's published, I just kind of
listen to other's interpretations and most of the time, everyone is right.
alexadroog asks: Mr. Ellis, are you currently working on something new? If
so, what?
Ellis: Besides the novel about the fashion world, I'm working on the
screenplay for the Rules of Attraction
grifter asks: The fashion industry seems, in many ways, a natural for you
to write about. What set off your novel on it, and about how far are you from
finishing it?
Ellis: I don't know what sent me off on writing about models and
fashion industry. It was just an intuitive response to something big going on in
the culture and I'm very, very far from finishing it.
scamp asks: I read recently that you think Susanna Moore's latest book is
harsher & more horrifically violent than American Psycho. Why is
this? On another note, do you even think she's a good writer?
Ellis: I've never said that Moore's new book is harsher and more
horrifically violent than A. P. And yes, I do think she is a good writer.
grifter asks: That does bring up an interesting issue, though. Norman
Mailer went to great lengths to praise the rawness of A. P. at the
time. *Do* you think there's been any writer of literary merit who's been able to
be as harsh and violent *and* of serious consideration? You can't name Ellroy,
he's the "gimme" choice.
Ellis: Yes, Dennis Cooper.
capasso asks: when did you know that you wanted to be a writer?
Ellis: Very young, maybe five, but I hate to consider myself A WRITER.
I just like to write.
alexadroog asks: Bret, Do you have any suggestions for aspiring
writers?
Ellis: Yes, read, read, read.
pold asks: Don't you ever get afraid of your own writing, or what your
literary method makes you write?
Ellis: No, I just get afraid of ... other peoples's writing.
capasso asks: Do you feel that human nature is inherently evil?
Ellis: Yes.
alexadroog asks: Mr. Ellis, What are some of your interests outside of
writing? Any favorite hobbies and such?
Ellis: Actually, writing takes up a vast amount of time as does
reading. Hobbies: cooking? movies? O. J. I feel like I'm on the dating game.
Weird question.
faido1 asks: there does not seem to be any overt signs of gender
differentiation - was this intentional? I did not know the chapter One narrator
was a chick until chapter Five. Lots of first person only references. (this
refers to The Informers)
Ellis: You're right. And it's something I think I'm pretty critical of.
These characters' lives are so blurry and indistinct that it even hazes over
something as primal and elemental as sexuality.
capasso asks: Was Patrick Bateman in American Psycho based on anyone you
know?
Ellis: Partly guys I met on Wall Street, partly myself, partly my
father.
pold asks: What about this band going to Japan in The
Informers. The singer reached a low point, I guess. Was there any model or
is it just a symbol of the '80s? Or to put it in other words. Are the nineties
going to be any different in your view/novels?
Ellis: I guess the '90s haven't really effected any of the themes or
motives that I'm interested in exploring so no, the rock star's story in
The Informers was maybe written as a warning to myself. "Could you,
if it was possible become like this?" is what I ask myself.
capasso asks: How come there isn't much mention of black people in your
books?
Because I'm writing about rich white people who don't come into contact with
any other races and who are more often than not racists themselves.
alexadroog asks: what role if any, do computers play in your life?
Ellis: I type in my long-hand notes.
capasso asks: Is O. J. guilty?
Ellis: Yes, but Johnny Cochran is guiltier.
capasso asks: Who is your favorite daytime talk show host?
Ellis: I have many. Least offensive I find is Jenny Jones but I
probably like Ricki the best. Worst, Montel, Carnie, and Maury.
carlosfr asks: Can you imagine the characters from The Rules of
Attraction in a third world tropical environment? Isn't it too far from
Beverly Hills?
Ellis: Actually, my new book is narrated by a character from R.
O. A.. It doesn't take place in a third world environment but much of the
book takes places in London, Paris, and Milan.
arcadio asks: What sorts of frustrations and/or opportunities do you
recognize as you shift from novel writing to drafting a screenplay?
Ellis: Far fewer frustrations on a creative level but since the
creative level makes up such a small portion of the whole endeavor, I prefer the
control I have over a novel.
faido1 asks: after reading The Informers, I'm kinda all
vacuous myself, perhaps wondering how and if I am like some of your characters.
Is this an intended affect, and will it wear off?
Ellis: Funny. Not an intended effect and after a few drinks it should
wear off.
alijon asks: What kind of drugs do YOU do?
Ellis: Mostly alcohol and since I'm on anti-anxiety medication, it's
hard to dabble in recreational drugs though I did mushrooms over the summer and
was reminded of how much I miss them. Other drugs as well but just the usual
boring stuff. I can't write when I'm partaking, so not as often as perhaps I'd
like.
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