________________________________________________________________________ | w w w |\ | || || | || |\ | o_,_7 _|| . _o_7 _|| 4_|_|| o_w_, |\ | ( : / (_) / ( . |\ | |\ | || || | || |T | | || | |\ | . _, _8 |_D_|| . _,_,_,_D_|| 4_|| q ]_o_7_o _|_c 4_|_|| _|,_p q |\ | (_): / (_): . : / (_S (_S / |\ | |\ | In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the All-Merciful |\ | Greeting of Allah be upon Muhammad and the pure members of his House |\ |_______________________________________________________________________|\ Salamun `Alaykum The following question was kindly answered by Br. Shaun. Fee Amaanillah, Akil Karim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- QUESTION: The ahl-sunna usually perform their maghrib prayers earlier than us. What about the Zuhr and Asr prayer? Can we pray at the same time as they do i.e. is the timing stated on the prayer time sheets the time for performance of the prayer or should we wait 12-15 mins to perform the prayer? ANSWER: Bismihi Ta'ala 1. Dhuhr Time: The starting point of the "Preferred Time" (Waqtul Fadheelah) for the noon prayer (Dhuhr/Zuhr) is from the Zawal till the point of equal shadow. The Zawal is the point when the Sun crosses the vertical point (i.e. at the Equator). Such that if an object is vertically erected in the ground, its shadow begins to grow after being minimized. This is true for Imami and all 4 Sunni math-habs. 2. Asr Time: The starting point for the "Preferred Time" for Asr prayer is from the end of the Dhuhr preferred time till the shadow of an object is twice its length. The Imami Shi'a say that the preferred time also extends, from the beginning, to start after one finishes the Dhuhr prayer. There are other classifications for the non-preferred times for the Maliki and Hanbali schools. 3. Maghrib Time: The Preferred Time for the Maghrib prayer starts from Sunset till disappearance of redness from the western horizon. The Imami Shi'a define Sunset to be disappearance of redness from the Eastern sky, which is an indication that the Sun has set by its reflection on the East. Sunnis define Sunset as the disappearance of the Sun below the horizon directly. 4. Ishaa Time: Starts from the disappearance of redness in the West to half the night. Half the night is the mid point between Sunset and Fajr points. While the Preferred Time is to the third of the night (Imamies, Hanbalies and Malikies) The Imamies say that the Preferred time also extends, from the beginning, to include an overlap with the Maghrib, once one is finished with the Maghrib prayer. 5. Subh Time: Starts with the True Dawn (al-Fajr al-Sadiq) till Sunrise. The Preferred Time being whilst still dark (except Hanafies: Their Preferred time is first light.) It appears from the above that the only slight difference is in the start of Maghrib time due to the method of determination. All other prayers start at the same time. NOTE: Sometimes Ahlul Sunna do Athan I'lami (informative Athan) a little ahead of time. This is done for the Subh prayer too, to give people time to gather at the mosque. It is OK with us to have Athan I'lami, however, it must occur after the prayer time is entered** (e.g. Zawal for noon prayer.) ** al-Urawatul Wuthqa, al-Yazdi, v1, Athan Chapter. References: 1. al-Fiqh ala al-Mathahib al-Arba'a, al-Jizairi, v1, pp 199-205. 2. Fiqh al-Sunna, Sayyid Sabiq, v1, pp 76-80. 3. al-'Urwathul Wuthqa, M. Kadhum al-Yazdi, v1, pp 386-392. Wassalam, Shaun Astarabadi