________________________________________________________________________ | w w w |\ | || || | || |\ | o_,_7 _|| . _o_7 _|| 4_|_|| o_w_, |\ | ( : / (_) / ( . |\ | |\ | || || | || |T | | || | |\ | . _, _8 |_D_|| . _,_,_,_D_|| 4_|| q ]_o_7_o _|_c 4_|_|| _|,_p q |\ | (_): / (_): . : / (_S (_S / |\ | |\ | In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the All-Merciful |\ | Greeting of Allah be upon Muhammad and the pure members of his House |\ |_______________________________________________________________________|\ Assalamu 'alaykum The following questions and answers are a follow up to the question on reliability of ahadith. They were kindly answered by Dr. Liyakatali Takim. Salaams & Duas Ummulbanin Merali - Moderator - 'Aalim Network ***************************************************************** QUESTION 1: Also, it says in al-kafi that Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (as) "gave permission for his followers to assign supernatural qualities to the imams as long as they didn't defy them." what does this mean exactly with reference to what is the truth? ORIGINAL ANSWER: As for your 2nd question, I would like to see the source of your statement. I haven't seen the hadith myself. Please forward me the chapter name or hadith number. I do recall reading a hadith in Kashshi's Rijal in which Imam al-Sadiq said: "May Allah curse the person who attributes things to us which we do not claim for ourselves" FOLLOW UP QUESTION: I apologize, actually the word was "deify," not "defy." Another author cited the hadith and gave the reference. I haven't found the exact citation however I found something similar cited by an author named Hossein Modaressi, who says that it was said that the Imams said that they "permitted the attribuation of whatever supernatural quality or miracle one wanted to the Imams as long as one did not identify them with God." He cites this from Ibn Babuye/Khisal 614 as well as from some other sources. ANSWER: If you read Modaressi's book carefully, you will see that he attributes the fabrication of these genres of traditions to the Ghulat. For example, he states on pg. 19 :"[The Qur'an] speaks of Muhammad as an ordinary person whose only difference from other people was that he received revelation from God in order to deliver it to mankind. Muhammad was asked by God especially to emphasize this point to those who asked him to perform miracles and to prove that he was someone special". On page 21 Modarressi goes on to emphasize that during the times of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS), another category of extremists emerged who had borrowed many Kaysani ideas. They did not deify the Imams but regarded them as supernatural beings. It is clear that the author regards such traditions as falsely attributed to the Imams. Please read his chapter 2 carefully and you will be able to discern his main thesis. The book is entitled: "Crisis and Consolidation in the formative Period of Shi'ite Islam" by Hossein Modarresi ----------------------------------------------------------- QUESTION 2: Why was there such a problem in Islamic history during the time of the Imams with gholaat/extremist Shi'a versus taqsir/over-normative Shi'a? Wouldn't the guidance of the Imams have made plain what was and what wasn't true? ORIGINAL ANSWER: The answer to your 3rd question is in part answered in my 1st reply. The ghulat were often anxious to claim authority on behalf of the Imams. So they claimed to have inherited supernatural powers from the Imams like even ism al-'azam and esoteric knowledge. Those who were accused of taqsir (falling short in acknowledging the eminent status of the Imams) were at the opposite extreme i.e. they did not give the Imams their due status. Despite the Imams' continuous warning, some Shi'as were influenced by the ghulat and others did the taqsir. I hope this clarifies the issues. FOLLOW UP QUESTION: How do we know they didn't receive any form of esoteric knowledge? ANSWER: There are traditions which indicate that the Imams certainly knew what we do not know. However, they only knew what Allah wanted them to know. The question of the esoteric knowledge and extent of this knowledge has been subject to much controversy in our literature. For example, an eminent theologian like Shaykh a-Mufid writes in Awa'il Maqalat that an Imam in a court of law may not have access to what is in the mind of a defendant and would therefore judge by what is presented outwardly (zahir). This judgement may not necessarily correspond to what is in reality. Shaykh Saduq even said that the Prophet had committed an act of inadvertance (sahw) in prayer, he forgot a part of it. See his Man La Yahduru hu'l Faqih. These views indicate the diversity of opinions on the esoteric knowledge of the Imams. The Imams knew more than us however the extent of this knowledge has been subject to much speculation as indicated by Modarressi and other quotations above. And Allah knows best. Wasalaam, Liyakatali Takim ________________________________________________________________________