Namaste All,

 

“There was neither non-existence nor existence then;  there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.  What stirred?  Where?  In whose protection?  Was there water, bottomless deep? “

 

There was neither death nor immortality then. There was no distuingishing signs of night and day.  That one breathed, windless, by its own impulse.  Other than that there was nothing beyond,

 

Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning; with no distinguishing sign all this was water.  The life force that was covered with emptiness, that one arose through the power of heat,

 

Desire came upon that one in the beginning; that was the first seed of mind.  Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom found the bond of existence in non-existence,

 

Their cord was extended across.  Was there below?  Was there above?  There were seed-placers; there were powers.  There was impulse beneath; there was giving-forth above,

 

Who really knows?  Who will here proclaim it?  Whence was it produced?  Whence is this creation?  The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.  Who then knows whence it has arisen?

 

Whence this creation has arisen-perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not-the one who looks down on it, in the highest heaven, only he knows-or perhaps he does not know.

 

Rig Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn.  Wendy O’Flaherty.Penguin.

 

Whilst we are in it, it is real enough. In other words unless one is realised there is the obvious duality. Even for a jivanmukti there is duality but he/she has the awareness of unity in diversity. It takes many different flowers to make a garden, the garden is one, but what is the one?

 

The vedantic theory of undifferentiated prakriti, being disturbed by the gunas and then all this proliferation, is a good one.  The idea of this being caused by the sound/vibration AUM is also a good one. The underlying ground is Brahman, there being nothing material for this prakriti to rest on, therefore it must be ultimately illusory, and never happened.

 

After that which never happened appeared to happen, the vibrations took on different forms bodies sheaths etc depending on the speed and density of the vibrations.

 

No matter how non-dual we get we have to deal with this, using the mind as a thorn to remove a thorn. So illusion cannot be completey invalidated for it is necessary to invalidate itself.

 

It seems to me the point is about association of consciousness with the vibrations, which are also consciousness. The level of awareness equals the level of withdrawal from this dream. How many veils of illusion created by Maya are lifted that is. All these vibrations have to be purified of only one thing really; the different forms of desire. Even the desire to have no desire. Desire is what prevents the vibrations lightening up to the original level and then release. Which is going beyond the gunas to 'stillness'.

 

It is purifying and withdrawing the attachment of consciousness from the gross material to the slightest vibration and then stopping that. So to me mind is vibration and all is in the mind and is the mind and there is no mind only the appearance of such.

 

It all come out of the original desire of Brahman to seem to multiply, which is the illusion itself.

 

Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.