Namaste All,

First of all it seems that ‘all’, is actually mind. Sakti is mind, Mahat is mind, so really apart from individual thoughts, all is thought. The projected appearance of Saguna Brahman, or 'God' within illusion.

In the first place all is

a dream and an illusion , and we are operating at two levels, relative and absolute. Also there are the constituents of the dream to

consider. If we take Einstein and relativity etc, then physically there is no time, beyond the speed of light. (In fact quarks and

sub-atomic particles travel back in time.)

This is Kala or time, and Universal Consciousness is Kala or Time. So Time itself is an illusion and doesn't

exist really. It is all a dream of the concept "God". So in this dream everything is really happening at the same time, it is just the

play of consciousness that gives the illusion of progression and time. It is like lives, they are like a cartwheel and the lives are the

spokes. Consciousness is the hub, and we concentrate consciousness on one spoke at a time, hence lives, but they all happen at

once! However because consciousness has become associated with the illusion it has to free itself with free will.

This entails taking

responsibility for our actions , as if we were making things happen. It is said that we see our future life before taking birth, so

everything that is going to happen has happened or rather is happening. So at birth a veil is drawn over our consciousness, so to

speak and then we have to literally, "Act out ", the drama, as if we are making decisions , that effect a really non-existent future.

So in fact when we ponder over a decision and them make it, that was the decision we had already made anyway. There was just

the illusion that we were making it, so that we could take responsibility for it and learn. Learn what? Learn that we are part of a

dream!

So the illusion of experiencing causes pain etc and eventually the "Consciousness Realises this and wakes

up------Liberated". However as Sankara says it is real enough whilst you are in it. This is where karma comes into play for at this

level of relativity there is the law of "action and reaction ", that keeps the illusion going so to speak. Until you realise you are the source and the truth.

and it is all a dream. "Understand there is no free will for individuals. They are constrained by various limitations. Universal consciouness alone has

total free will. All others are bound in one way or another. Whatever one's efforts ,the ultimate outcome lies beyond one's day to day control. Yes even the decision to work or not to work is karmic. So raising ourselves by our own effort was also karmic, the effort was the choice of the mind, a choice already having been made. I'm not saying sit down and do nothing, but if one did that would be karmic also. The Gita also talks at different levels that's why it is so popular----the different yogas. It is only the body mind complex that receives the karma anyway not the real You. My point again is we have to surrender for we are not the doer, and literally everything is preordained by karma. The only choice we have is to make the mental choice.One should understand that karma literally means action, and that there are different types of karma including memory karma. Now everything happens at once so when we do an action the opposite action is also completed, even though it doesn't manifest until a 'future' life. So our choice is to learn, so if we make the right mental choice then that happened at the same time as the bad choice and nullifies that karma for the future. However there is karma and memory karma. Karma is much like Chaos and consists of action and reaction. Memory karma is where the human entity due to memory and need to learn, puts itself in a certain physical situation. This is a personal karma and is not available to animals as they do not have guilt. However we have to play out our role until Moksha cancels all our future karmas.....ONS..Tony.

Tony.