Futurian Review of A Public Lecture by Gregory Benford


Deep Time: How Humanity Communicates Across Millennia

This review is part of a collection written for the Futurian Society of Sydney, other Futurian-related stuff can be found at my page for such things, other non-Futurian related stuff can be found at my home page.


In August 1999 Gregory Benford was in Australia for AussieCon III, a world science fiction convention in Melbourne. He dropped in on Sydney to tell us about a couple of his projects. Both of these involve one way communication through time, into the distant future.


The first was writing warning signs for a nuclear waste facility. The waste facility is not far from the Carlsbad Caverns in the United States. It's in a salt flat. At first glance this struck me as an odd choice of site, since I understand salt dissolves in water (suggesting to me that aqueous goop might migrate through it). I'm guessing the idea is that the aqueous goop runs out of moisture almost instantly, to become dry goop surrounded by slightly hydrated salt.

The claimed advantage of a salt flat is the salt's plasticity: over long time scales it flows like a liquid. There's no need to fill a chamber, or even the mine as a whole: left untended the salt will close in over a period of years. I guess this means that if you buried the Ark of the Covenant there and suddenly find you need it then you're in trouble. But it also makes nuclear theft or accidental discovery pretty difficult.

This begs the question of why a physicist and writer of Benford's stature is working in a genre (warning signs) that many would feel had limited scope for artistic expression. The answer is that standard signs are too specific to culture to satisfy the US congress, which insists that the warnings remain comprehensible "so long as lawyers shall walk the earth". Working from the fact that sharks (close relatives of lawyers) have remained almost the same for many millions of years, but also noting that the congress is replaced over a time scale of years, a compromise period of ten thousand years was selected. A few thousand years also happens to be how long the stuff remains dangerous, and Benford was generous enough to his employers to pretend this was how the requirement was chosen.

Benford noted that a good lifetime for a culture is about one thousand years. So we have to assume that the people who read this sign won't be all that au fait with contemporary conventions, such as the radiation trefoil or a stop sign. To borrow from Le Carre's Russia House, they "might not be capable of using a telephone. They might not be capable of using a spoon.".

Unfortunately the list of things that everyone finds frightening isn't all that long. Benford mentioned those we share with other primates: snakes and primate skulls. Somehow we have to make the object frightening using only symbols that will be understood by people with whom we have nothing in common but (perhaps) humanity.

The group in which Benford participates has a fecund imagination and has created a plethora of evil, disgusting looking things that will still be frightening people in 12,000 AD.

Benford made the point that nobody has ever really tried to do this before. Almost all messages from the past fall into one of two categories:

A more modern example is the time capsule. Apparently the Californian town of Corona, where Benford lives, has buried thirteen time capsules since the 1960s. As of 1999 they have lost every one. There's a building in the United States where George Washington buried a time capsule ... and even knowing which building they can't find it. All this reminded me that when I was a child I helped persuade my mother into having the family bury a time capsule in our yard. My parents still live in that house, but neither I nor they has any idea where that time capsule is.

The waste facility, on the other hand, is motivated by a feeling of responsibility for future generations. It's interesting that we would feel strongly enough about the welfare of hypothetical people as yet ten millennia unborn not yet born that we would spend tens of millions of dollars on the welfare of hypothetical people by millennia unborn. Of course, this has to be compared with the US$1.3G (I use "G" as a suffix for giga, i.e. billion) price tag for the facility as a whole.

I'm rather cynical about the entire idea. While the sentiment is laudable in a "sponsor a child through World Vision" sort of way, it's basically a solution to an extremely restricted problem. The only case in which these warnings will have an effect is:

In practice, we need society to collapse fairly soon. Now if you believe there's a chance of society collapsing fairly soon then you should certainly take precautions: buy lots of condensed milk and garlic pills, perhaps. And there's any number of things that could be done to improve society's chances of bouncing back from an unspecified catastrophe. In which case, I'd say spend the money on this, rather than warning signs for waste dumps. From a greatest good of the greatest number point of view it must be better.


The other Deep Time message Benford discussed was a diamond disc. This is being attached to the Cassini spacecraft. Cassini is a probe to Saturn, and costs even more than the waste facility: at US$3G it's the most expensive space mission ever.

Once Cassini disintegrates the disc will, hopefully, be left in orbit around Saturn. The idea is that some day it will be found, to provide a curiosity piece with which the tentacled monsters of future times can bore their hatchlings. This means the disc has to be:

Benford talked mostly about comprehensibility. The disc is eternal because of its material and benign environment. The weakest point in my opinion is its findability. Drifting in orbit about Saturn, with no real defining features to make it stand out it's really easy to imagine it being lost. On the other hand it's also easy to imagine it being found, by some magical (in the Clarke sense) means.

There are two interesting things inscribed on the disc.

Writing physical quantities in a digital form requires a unit. So does scaling a picture, in this case by specifying the distance between the stereoscopic viewpoints. The unit chosen is the diameter of the disc. This is an interesting choice, I think: my first instinct would have been a fundamental physical quantity.

I must be turning into a cynic. It's all kind of cool, but it's also very likely to be pointless. And if it isn't pointless, it will be because our species ceased to exist soon after creating the disc. It's a bit like buying a small amount of life insurance for a loved one. You only collect in one circumstance, and in that case you have such good reasons to be unhappy that a small amount of money isn't going to change anything.


Benford also made a few interesting remarks along the way. I'll list them in no particular order:


In summary all very interesting stuff, on a topic that (perhaps deservedly) gets little coverage.

I was a little disappointed when I got to Melbourne and he was giving the same talk, but I suppose I should have expected it.

And now, a warning. (And now a warning?). I wrote this down some time after Benford's talk. Anything he said here that was total nonsense is presumably my fabrication.


I welcome feedback at David.Bofinger@dsto.defenceSpamProofing.gov.au (delete the spamproofing).


This page is hosted by GeoCities, in return for carrying their advertising they will give you a free home page much like mine. Everything on this site varies without notice, especially after I get feedback. 1