Email from our fans.

This is a sampling of some of the email that we have received. Comments are in square brackets.

Please feel free to communicate your thoughts. Email us at nohisov@hotmail.com.

=== Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:46:50 -1000 From: Steven Roberson <zach@lava.net> Reply-To: zach@lava.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: wake up You say that most Native Hawaiians are no longer connected to their culture, and that they are mostly christians who use us currency and live by american culture and ways. If the missionaries did not come and feed their bullshit to the Hawaiian people, do you think that they would believe in christianity? If the us did not screw them over and force them to become american citizens, do you think that they would even have to use us/american currency and live by american ways? They are forced to live by american capitalism and taught to excel and be greedy. They were doing a lot better before white people came. Try thinking before you call the Native Hawaiian sovereignty movement racist. Is it possible to not have some form of hatred towards the people that took their land away from them, and now use the Hawaiian Islands for their own greed and military uses? How is it different that the Kamehameha schools only accept students with a certain percentage of Hawaiian ancestry when less than thirty years ago, american schools stood tall that only accepted white people? Kamehameha schools serve to educate the Native Hawaiian people. Do you even live in Hawaii? Do you have any idea of what Hawaii is other than a little puppet used by the united states? Even if Hawaiian schools taught "racism"(you make no point at that), why does america teach it's students that taking the land away from Native Americans, Native Hawaiians, Mexicans, and many Polynesians is right, and justifiable? The schools in the us are the ones that hinder the truth from the students, they do this more than any other country in the world. [AHS: Get out of the past. Reality is now.] === Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:57:20 -0500 (EST) From: justin Clark <jclark@cofc.edu> To: nohisov@hotmail.COM Subject: Inquiry I found your site http://geocities.datacellar.net/CapitolHill/Lobby/4478 by accident and while your commentary for seems to be true, I am wondering why you are against the movement. Your site addresses sovereignty but I don't think it addresses convincingly the issue of racism. Do you have a vested interest in Hawaii to have this site? Would you say too the Native Americans are racist for being a nation within a nation and having their tribal councils are governing bodies? Curious too that who ever maintains the sight has only an e-mail address but no background on who you are or your motivation for this sight. just curious, justin Clark [AHS: Read the racist email. What we say matters more than who we are. Our motives are readily apparent.] === Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:37:53 -0800 From: Brian Braidic <braidic@connectnet.com> Reply-To: braidic@connectnet.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Racial ? You've got to be kidding me if you think this is a racial movement. Why don't you look at who lived there first. Just as the native Americans, who were screwed out of their land. The U.S. took over without regrets. You said it your self that the overthrow was illegal. No, I'm not a Native American or a Polonesian, I am a Native San Diegan who loves the U.S. but thinks certain actions should have never happened or should have been conducted a different way.Racism, that's pretty f------ funny. [AHS: Funny but true.] === Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:27:58 -1000 From: sdfs@jlksdf.com Reply-To: sdfsd@osdfi.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: What the hell? You call us racist but look at the way you are writing, about us hawaiians, you are the one who is fucking racist. You bastard. My people are not disoriented from our culture, just lacking the full knowledge from using it in day to day life. [AHS: Exactly our point.] === From: "Joaquin Gamiao" <joog2@hotmail.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaiian Sovereignty Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:16:45 PST Just saw your website on the aforementioned subject. Just one thing to say: "Spoken like a true haole!" ("ha" - the breath of life, "ole" - does not exist) In addition, there is an old haole saying that you should practice..."If the kitchen is too hot, get out!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [AHS: Your racist stereotypes shine through.] === Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:38:06 +0000 From: Heritage Research Productions <harpco@aloha.net> Reply-To: harpco@aloha.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Anti-sovereignty, not anti-hawaiian Good work! We would like to invite you to read our website article on the Pro-US democracy heritage of the island Estate Wills and Pauahi Bishop at Harpco@aloha.net Heritage Research has been active restoring appreciative context for the literary and legal precedents of our 50th State of Hawaii. With respect for this responsible humble pro-US Democracy perspective, we would suggest that you consider promoting Anti-sovereignty Hawaiian rather than a descriptive adjective of 'Anti-Hawaiian which seems to equally ad hominim. Why not promote 'anti-sovereignty? You are welcome to link to our website. It will be revised next week for more research consulting angle of the front page. Christopher Damon Haig Heritage Research Productions === Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:41:59 +0000 From: Heritage Research Productions <harpco@aloha.net> Reply-To: harpco@aloha.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: recent origins of the soveriegnty movement Did you know that the recent Hawaiian sovereignty movement was started by the Holts in Moanalua Gardens foundation, which promoted onipa'a hula festivals for the last fiteen years, against the principles of the pro-US Democracy will of SM Damon upon which land it still is active. Thereafter the sovereignty movement marched on Iolani Palace in 1993. The instigators of this have a long history of anti-US activity dating back to the communist movement in the 1930's. === Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 04:32:25 -0800 From: Na Mele Hula Ohana <aahkoi@haywire.csuhayward.edu> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: anti-sovereignty Aloha, I think that you may have some misconceptions about the movement and the people involved. It may sound racist but it is only because Hawaiian people have a right to teach Hawaiian things in Hawaii. THIS IS OUR HOME. Unlike the Japanese, we have no other place to go. THIS LAND IS OURS!!! Reparations is about the government admitting it was wrong and the Hawaiians being compensated for the aftermath, which has little similarity to the Great Depression. Hawaiian immersion schools will help save what the ha'ole people nearly erased. What you said about non Hawaiians being hawaiian: I don't think so. I think that there are Hawaiians and non-hawaiians and I never say someone is Hawaiian when they are not. Perhaps those that you know that have are doing so for political reasons or just being nice. With all the aloha I can muster up Anthony He hawai'i pau'ole au === From: "Isis and Christo" <crisis@aloha.net> To: Subject: sovergnty Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:47:00 -1000 Dear friend, Feel no fear. It is not easy for anyone to loose their land, rights, culture, etc. without becoming upset, not knowing who to blame. If you love the aina as much as I do, then You should have no problem respecting the peaple of Hawaii and in return being respected. This is the land of Aloha. Beware if you are not Aloha. signed, Love it or leave === Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:12:24 -0800 From: Larry Kwiatkowski <onipaa@onipaa.com> Reply-To: onipaa@onipaa.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Interesting How interesting that you do not allow anyone to view your guest book. -- Larry Kwiatkowski `Onipa`a Kakou Lahui Hawai`i http://www.onipaa.com/ [AHS: Thanks for reminding us. The guest book is now viewable.] === Reply-To: "Alvin K. Awana" <aawana@gte.net> From: "Alvin K. Awana" <aawana@gte.net> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: Bull Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:28:28 -1000 If there is any racism it is the fact that the US government has perpetuated rascism by establishing blood quantum for eligibility to Hawaiian homelands. It is obvious that no matter what Native Hawaiians do this website will label it as racist. Author states that the Hawaiian language immersion program is nothing more than brainwashing, and author may be an expert at brainwashing as this type of tactics were used by the United States to bring Hawaii to statehood. Enough said! === Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:24:37 -0800 From: Martha Arroyo-Neves <maneves@pacbell.net> Reply-To: maneves@pacbell.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaiian Excuse me sir, But the Hawaiians want their land back ok and this web page is really insulting! A Hawaiian === Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:33:23 -1000 From: Hong >hongc@aloha.com> Reply-To: hongc@aloha.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: anti-Hawaiian racism I am a hapa-haole teenager who is involved in the fight for Kanaka Maoli sovereignty. I cannot believe the racist accusations that you are making against native Hawaiians. The Kanaka Maoli only want what is due to us after 100 years of foreign domination. In 1898 members of the American Navy pointed their rifles at Iolani Palace and overthrew illegally overthrew the Hawaiian monarchy. This action was in direct violation of both International law and their own Constitution, which states, that the United States of America would not illegally invade and overthrow a peaceful alli. This is exactly what the American Navy did. It was illegal and unconstitutional. I disagree with your accusation that the Kanaka Maoli sovereignty movement is racist. Not all Kanaka Maoli groups are calling for total racial segregation of Kanaka Maoli and non-Kanaka Maoli. Most groups simply want the Native Hawaiian people to control their own destiny and the lands which are so sacred to my people, the Kanaka Maoli. Members of Kanaka Maoli sovereignty groups do not want non-Kanaka Maoli such as Rep. Ed Case to be making decisions which the Kanaka Maoli people should be making themselves. Kanaka Maoli feel just as strongly about their freedom as non-Kanaka Maoli feel about theirs. Just because the Kanaka Maoli may reach their goal of sovereignty, non-Kanaka Maoli should not be worried about having to leave Hawaii. The non-Kanaka Maoli residents of Hawaii should be more than thankful that they are able to live in such a paradise. Let me remind you that the Kanaka Maoli people have occupied these islands since the time of Christ. As for Hawaiian Immersion schools, you do not need to be of Native Hawaiian descent in order to attend. The only school which being of Native Hawaiian descent is a requirement of, is Kamehameha, another school which I hold in the highest regard. Hawaiian Immersion schools are not "little more than cultural re-education camps" and they are, in no way, "institutions where youths are brain washed into incorporating racist ideologies in their every day lives". I am disgusted and astonished that someone living in the melting pot of Hawaii would say that. Although I have attended Punahou school all my life, I know several Hawaiian Immersion schools students (a few are even non-Kanaka Maoli) and none of them would ever think of disrespecting any human being, wheter they are Asian, African-American or Caucasian. I don't know where you could have come up with such a warped view of Kanaka Maoli 'opi'o, because I have certainly have not seen anything which would suggest that Hawaiian youth engaging in racist activities toward non-Kanaka Maoli. On a final note, I hope that someday you will overcome your own narrow-minded and racist attitude toward Kanaka Maoli, and possibly even become an advocate for Hawaiian sovereignty. Let me remind you again: the Kanaka Maoli were here first. We only want what was illegally and unconstitutionally taken from our kupuna. He Kanaka Maoli au. I am a Native Hawaiian. Kau'i Baumhofer === From: kbeck@digidesign.com Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:27:12 +0000 To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: who are you? I am interested in finding out who publishes this page and who is in support of its contents. I have e-mailed to you once before, but received no response. The contents of this site lead me to believe that the authors have motive other than personal belief and morality. Though I disagree strongly with much of what has been stated on your site, I do believe in your right to say it, and would like to understand further the origins of the strong statements made therein. Without knowing who the authors are, I am lead to believe that you are likely foreign holders of Hawaiian land or perhaps racist yourself. My mind is open to the possibility that you are reasonable folks with an opinion different from mind, but anonymity saps your credibility. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Kerry Beck === Date: 24 Mar 1998 08:54:36 -0700 From: "Kerry Beck" <kbeck@digidesign.com> Subject: aloha To: "Paul Noh" Hello Paul, Thanks for your expedient response to my inquiry. You may rest assured that I am indeed Kerry Beck, a person of Hawaiian descent with sincere questions. While I am doubtful that Hawaiian sovereignty is a remote possibility at this point in time, nor am I certain that it would be a good idea now, it is a harsh reality that it did exist in the not very distant past, only to be destroyed by the greedy policies of "manifest destiny" practiced by the US government. I found some contents of your website to be short sighted, and I am unclear as to the level of seriousness you intended with them. (you stated in your response to me that "most of the people we receive email from take us _too_ seriously.") To some this issue of the so called leaders of the free world committing such hypocritical acts is serious. Perhaps I do expect too much honor and decency from our government only because I have faith in the intrinsic goodness in the people who invent it. In any case, more logical than likening a Hawaiian unification to Apartheid South Africa, more accurate comparison would be to other indigenous native Americans, or African Americans, people who were incorporated into the US without the luxury of choosing to do so. The reality of the US governmental policies that included overpowering sovereign governments is a tragic blemish on the annals of our history. Please read the following passage. Regardless of where one stands on these heated issues, these are uncontested facts: "In the nineteenth century the Kingdom of Hawaii was recognized internationally as a sovereign and independent country, with treaties with every major nation at that time, including several with the United States. In 1893, a group of mostly white American businessmen (the Missionary Party), backed by U.S. Marines who had their rifles pointed at `I`olani Palace, illegally overthrew the constitutional monarchy of Hawaii by forcing Queen Lili`uokalani to abrogate her throne against her will, and instituted their own de facto oligarchy. Although President Cleveland condemned the act and called for the restoration of the Hawaiian monarchy, in 1898 President McKinley pushed through the annexation of Hawaii `, in violation of international law and the United States' own Constitution." Clearly this was the case of the US bullying a small nation and taking it over, something democratic Americans of conscience will not tolerate today. I urge you to read the brief surrender document of Queen Lili'uokalani. Characteristic of the Hawaiian people, she opted for peace even though it meant an end to her ancient nation As time progressed and continues to progress, the fate of the Hawaiian people is being revealed. The Hawaiians' place in this nation is in peril. Euro-American male dominated institutions run this country and the nepotism that pervades will ensure this trend will continue. For the Hawaiian people, the future in question. I'm very grateful that you've read this far and certainly I've taken enough of your time so I will end here. I respect people, especially those like yourself who utilize energy to think! Peace. Kerry Beck [AHS: quoted email deleted] === Subject: Apartheid crap Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 15:54:32 -0800 From: michael ng <mike@jointsolutions.com> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> I am appalled at this web site. It is totally irresponsable, how can you honestly say that even though the Government of Hawaii was illegally overthrown the Hawaiians should live with that. You are wrong and to prove it when Hawaiians do get it back, guess what we are going to do to you? Nothing, we will treat you with respect and Aloha the same way Hawaiians have treated every newcomer to Hawaii. The U.S.'s actions were wrong and if you people cant see that then I what would be wrong with invading lets say Canada or Mexico or Kuwait and just take it over. The U.S. has the power and after a 100 years under your way of thinking it will be justified, I don't think so. You are the racist, if you think Hawaiian Sovereignty is apartheid you need to restudy your history book. The apartied government in South Africa gave its power back because of pressure from the rest of the world. Great Britian gave back India, and Sweden's sovereign government was also restored. I guess Gandhi was a Racist. I guess that's why non-indians in India are so badly persecuted...Not!. You my friend are an idiot. But you do deserve your own individual rights and space. That's an Aloha concept not an American one. Michael Ng... [AHS: An Aloha concept? Aloha and mahalo for your thoughts.] === Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:01:49 -0800 From: Tipi Haere <haututu@mailcity.com> Subject: Anti Hawaiian Sov Page To: nohisov@hotmail.com Reply-To: Poaka@minedu.govt.nz, Helo@minedu.govt.nz, inc@minedu.govt.nz A lot of broad statements but no evidence or research provided I am unconviced as of yet === Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:20:05 -0700 To: nohisov@hotmail.com From: Mid Pacific Maritime Institute <midpac@sprynet.com> Aloha mai, After reading your Anti-Hawi'ian Home Page - I must say that it is at most, interesting .... mostly incorrect, but interesting. There is little truth in any of it. Your basis for statements made seems to be made mostly out of fear of possibly losing that which you have attained in that state, none of which, I dare say, is an accurate understanding of the culture, it's people or their history. Enough said on that matter, but I do have one question you might care to search your conscience about ... if it's not too late. If you live in a mansion in Hollywood, California on a large estate ..... you have a few expensive cars. Through some error, the IRS declares you a tax fraud and takes all you have, leaving you with nothing. Oh, and you have quite a large family to take care of, also. Are you going to spend the rest of your life trying to clear your name and regain your possessions or just sit back and let the arrogant SOB's get away with it? Like any normal person, you're going to get off your elemu and try to right a wrong ... mostly because now it's personal, aren't you? I thought so. If someone murders a loved one, say your mother or one of your children and escapes justice. When are you going to stop fighting to right that wrong? We feel the same and will never stop. A friendly word for future reflection ... one is much wiser to learn all one can about a particular subject before one opens one's mouth prematurely and proving to all ... one's lack of credability. I hope your efforts to halt a return of that which was stolen from a much loving, benevolent people brings you to search for the real truth that will overshadow any greed or feelings for personal benefit. Pili mau na po maika`i, Steve "No ka mea, ina ua ho'opa'aki'i kakou i ko kakou mau na'au e ku e i ke ao nei, e ho'ohewaia'i kakou . . . . . a e ho'olilo kakou." "I ka 'olelo no ke ola, i ka 'olelo no ka make." [AHS: The key issue here is justice] === Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:29:19 -0500 From: Lisa <likaakai@surfsouth.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: unbelievable do you make up this stuff as you go along? i was raised in Hawai'i....i now live in Georgia, but i am still involved in the sovereignty movement...you must not have any kanaka friends, because if you did, you would know that hawaiians are the most decent, kindest people you would hope to meet. i'm of native american and african american descent...and i know racism when i see it...and i see it alot here on the mainland. i've been the vicitm of racist remarks and slurs here...but NEVER did i experience it among kanakas in Hawai'i. For you to compare the sovereignty movement to these detestable hate groups makes me sick... for you to say that the kanaka maoli will kick all non hawaiians out and take their homes, land etc...well, obviously you have no concept of what aloha means, which hawaiians have always extended throughout hawai'is sad history... i hope maybe someday, you'll open your eyes...and your heart... e malama pono Lisa [AHS: Race based character classifications. Who's the racist now?] === Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:21 -0800 From: USCInfo User <uscinfo-mail@usc.edu> Reply-To: uscinfo-mail@usc.edu To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Anti Anti-Hawaiian Soverignty Page This is such a bunch of crap! YOu obviously don't understand the injustice and history that is behind the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom. === Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:56:28 -0700 From: Glenn Viernes <glenn.viernes@attws.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaiian Sovereignty Given your definition of Hawaiian Sovereignty, your predictions are un- fortunately probable. However using "-ism" and "-phobe" terms reduce the credibility of your argument. I submit that the law requires that Hawaiians be given sovereignty over their legally designated lands. The State Government in its greed has prevented this from happening. Unless a Federal suit is brought against the State, all Hawaiians, native or not, will be a each other's throat. This is sheer foolish- ness. But the "powers-that-be" in Hawaii will continue to use this divide-and-conquer strategy to retain control of the peoples and re- sources of Hawaii. The dreadful state of the economy only serves to highlight the magnitude of their greed. The true enemy are the power brokers who continue to feed this Sovereignty controversy. So what is your solution for the current injustices? The pro-Sovereignty groups are no threat to anyone except each other. Their arguments and solutions range from irrational to insane. So why not support a grass- root effort against the true enemy of the Peoples of Hawaii. They're still the same kind of people that overthrew the Monarchy, people driven by greed and personal profit. Follow the Money! Glenn Viernes === Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:06:22 -0700 To: nohisov@hotmail.com From: swakasa <sarita1@earthlink.net> Subject: You are the Racist Unfortunately there are still righteous people around that feel they are doing those "in need" a favor by promoting genocide and continuing a legend of lies. I feel sorry for those that continue to live this lie (and obviously admit guilt by expressing an absurd fear that these people are racist: racism is an institution and those being oppressed do not have the means to enforce this institution)and lead the blind. My best wishes to you in continuing to hail injustice, violence and materialism (just as Captain Crook first introduced to the island of Hawai'i). It is your children that you will ultimately and sadly push into the dark. Long live the island of Hawai'i as it originally was and in spirit will always be, no matter how corrupt its' invaders have made it. === From: "Karl Trunk" <karl1776@hotmail.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Definitely a needed page. Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:54:05 PDT Amen on your A.H.S. page brother. As a nation, Americans will face enough problems from outside in the 21st century. We can ill afford race-based, union-dissolving movements on the inside. Karl Trunk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:51:46 -1000 From: Mele McPherson <mele_m@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: mele_m@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Bullshit You obviously don�t know what you�re talking about. The Hawaiian Immersion schools do not give preference to children of Hawaiian ancestry. Enrollment in those schools are on a first come/first serve basis. And they are not brainwashed to hate white people. They are taught to appreciate their culture and their language. They are taught under the DOE system; so that means that they learn the exact same things as English public school students do except they learn it in Hawaiian. You obviously didn�t do your research. The nation within a nation system is more similar to what the American Indians have then what the KKK did. The Hawaiians are not proposing to kill and burn and torture people who are not Hawaiian. They want back what is rightfully theirs. Why don�t you read Native Land and Foreign Desires, or Hawai�i�s Story by Hawai�i�s Queen--Lili�uokalani. She was queen at the time of the overthrow. Do some research before you open your ignorant mouth and create a sight. === Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:49:51 -0700 From: Kalani Mondoy <motuahina@earthlink.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com, Kris <tknh66@hgea.org> Subject: Hawn lang. segment Wow! Shame on you! I never heard any of the students who did go to those Hawaiian immersion schools anything about race! Just as I was taught not to be racist, or actually I was oblivious to it while growing up in Hawaii, I know for a fact that in class they don't BRAINWASH the children into being racists, nor did I know of any segregation asking that the students be of Hawaiian descent. Would you say that The Kamehameha Schools are racists since you DO have to be of Hawaiian descent to enter the school? It's like me saying that blacks are racists for not letting me qualify for their "black scholarships" or other benefits that they have to better the black community. I spent 22 years in Hawaii and NEVER have I heard about being racists, or that they teach racism in school. My God, I have a very hard time trying to educate the people here in Los Angeles about the native Hawaiians, being one myself, and of the diverse cultures in Hawai'i and what each ethnic group contributed to the culture to make it what it is today. But now I read this information that you have, and only one paragraph, the one that matters me the most, the language schools. Keep in mind, at one time they banned the Hawaiian language being spoken in the schools, now you tell me what exactly is that? Were you born in Hawaii or raised there? Whatever the case, here's what I would like you to do. I want a written statement or some other kind of evidence saying that the Hawaiian immersion schools DO teach the students racism, and that they are brain washed into incorporating racist ideologies in their every day lives. I really don't understand how WE of a mixed background can be segregated. I only have 1/16th Hawaiian blood, can speak the language, know the culture fairly well, but aside from being raised in the Hawaiian environment, I was brought up in the Visayan (Filipino) culture. So with the students or others like me, you are saying that these people are going to segregate us into pieces, in order to gain sovereignty? I personally am one who is not in the movement, nor am I in the "anti-sovereignty" movement either. But for you to use the Hawaiian language schools as an excuse that this is the people's attempt in gaining sovereignty is purely atrocious! I could give you many examples living in a very diverse cultural city such as Los Angeles of where I reside now. Please re-consider as to what you wrote in your page regarding an anti-sovereignty movement. Sincerely, Kalani Mondoy === From: "David Kindschi" <chflanel@total.net> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: Hawaii Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:49:08 -0400 Hello, I am interested to know a little information about yourself. Which race are you and have you lived in Hawaii all your life? I have read your page and I think you are crazy. Everything you say is disgusting, undemocratic and yes, completely RACIST. How can you deny a people their right to exist, you mock them and belittle them, if that is not racist I do not know what is. I believe that every nation in the world has the fundamental right to self-determination and deciding their own future. Every people deserves to be free of oppressive imperialist countries like the USA and Canada. Here in Qu�bec we will soon have our independence and I support any nations in the world trying to do the same. SOLIDARIT�!!! Ensemble nous vaincrons! David === Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: missruby@cybergal.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com I wonder about your statement in your web page on Anti-Hawaiian Sovereignty esp about when the sovereignty is succeeded, the property of non-Hawaiian people might be taken away. Do you know that those are the stolen property....Hawaiiana werestolen away they land, even though the government promised to turn it back to the rightful people, but actually many legal tricks are adopted so the government can hold and sell those pieces of land away. Arn't you aware of the fact that there are many Hawaiians that are homeless because of this unfair manipulation of laws. I want you to think about the time when India was colonized by Britain.By your logics, the gain of independence which resulted in losing land of many British colonizers is racist....is it ? --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com === Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:20:59 -0700 From: Kalani Griffin <lawemai@aloha.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Superficious get outta Hawaii nei...your narrow minded, unconfirmed lies make me sick you're an insecure looser....Hawaii is Hawaiian...and will always be so.....no matter what you fruitcakes try to do.....for Hawaiians are the only ones capable of doing what is best for Hawaii.....and no matter what you attempt, you will jnot succeed, for it is only a matter of time before the people of Hawaii rise up in anger, breaking free of this god-forsaken, self-riteous oppression......and killing you in the process, via ancient Hawaaian means......you think just because this happens to be part of america that you have all rights to this place....WRONG....Hawaii is an ancient and sacred land, one of which you an nver fully comprehend the importance of which.....I think you over estimate your significance here,....you stay here because it is warm, pretty, and perhaps "the perfect place to live"....YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!......it has nothing to do with racism, but rather attitudism, yes an ISM!....you ever stop to think that perhaps you're brainwashed?....america is and always has been full of shit!......the Hawaiian immersion program is limited to those families who will benefit most from it....Hawaii has no business being apart of america....it was stolen by fukin americans, and will be taken back from those same fukin americans....there is no compensation for the great wrong done to such a beautiful, innocent people....all we ask is what is rightfully ours....WHICH IS THE LAND!!...WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF FUKIN HAOLES LIVE HERE, BUT THEY JUST CANT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THE MATTER....SORRY, TRACK RECORD....AND INEVITABLY, WHITE FOLK WILL VOTE WHAT IS IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS, AND UNFORTUNATELY GREATLY OUTNUMBER THE HAWAIIAN PEOPLE, THUS OUR VOTE WILL NOT BE HEARD!!!.....what do you think you own this place, fuk your money, and your phony deals, we don't want you here....you cannot possibly lay claim to something that is superficially owned by your petty little government.....this is still Havai'i...our Hawaii, not yours....I cannot believe how arrogant you are in assuming you have any rights here what soever, you are the most disrespectful person I have ever met...I don't give a shit if your family has been here since the monarchy was overthrown, your kind never belonged here.....would you say this same shit in SAMOA?.....we're no different!.....you're living in an extremely fake, superficial world....one in which Hawaiians want no part, or at least to be free enough to decide for our selves what we want!......you think this is just prime realestae, aplace to do business, on our feet!!!, on our very souls!!!.....oh what?....the worlds getting too small?....then move to fukin russia or elsewhere, or perhaps your just afraid if this became a soveriegn nation we take a POHAKU TO YOUR HEAD!....who are you?... HUH?.....lewt's meet sometime....we'll straighten this whole mess out for you..... let me attest to the reality of the existance of ancient spirits in these islands...they watch your everymove, know you're deepest intentions.... they don't put up with shit for too long, you are extremely sacreligious.....even in the christian sense of the word...... ...............................HA'OLE'OE............................... [AHS: Emotion, emotion, emotion...and racist too.] === Reply-To: "Devin P. Alford" <DevinA@aloha.net> From: "Devin P. Alford" <DevinA@aloha.net> To: <president@whitehouse.gov> Cc: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: I Support Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:32:22 -1000 I am writing to voice my *strong* support of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement. I am writing in response to a web site I just came across at http://geocities.datacellar.net/CapitolHill/Lobby/4478/. This web site claims "Regardless of the specific ideology, the general theme among the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is clear: all non-Hawaiians get out. It is clear that the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is racist to the core". I want you to understand, that even the most radical groups do not say this, and would be crazy to say this. No sovereignty organization purports that the answer is getting non-Hawaiians out of Hawaii. This site also critizes Hawaiian immersion schools: "In these schools, the Hawaiian language is used exclusively in educational instruction. In reality Hawaiian immersion schools are little more than cultural re-education camps; that is, they are institutions where youths are brain washed into incorporating racist ideologies in their every day lives." This is a very offensive statement to me as well. It is a known fact that these schools produce students that score better on "English" tests than their average public school student counterparts score. This is a fact, and not a vague, vicious accusation which this web site is loaded with. Hawaiian's are an indiginous people that were damaged by the United States of America. Their language was methodically destroyed and almost erased - the Hawaiian immersion school movement is a great step towards restoring this beautiful language. As a citizen I feel that all efforts must be made to support Hawaiian Sovereignty and repair as much damage done as is possible. Let me please be clear - I am highly in favor of free speech and do not desire for any obstacles to be given to the secret author of this web site. I have not e-mailed any of his/her sponsors because I feel it is important to preserve free speech. I urge you to actively support the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement. [AHS: nohisov@hotmail.com was also carbon copied in identical messages from Devin P. Alford to the Vice President of the U.S., the Secretary of State of the U.S., and Representative Neil Abercrombie.] === Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:59:30 -0900 From: "Prof. Maitu Sense" <mitusnse@lava.net> Reply-To: mitusnse@lava.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaiian Rights = Racism? I find your theories interesting but confusing. I should specify that I live in Hawaii and I do not support racism. I knew one person who's father was a Political Science teacher for Mililani and Haunani Trask. (I have also met the professor on several occasions.) These two sisters who went on to become some of the most prominent Hawaiian rights leaders in the state. Haunani went on to receive her PhD and established the Hawaiian Culture department at the University of Hawaii. Their professor said that they were major pains in the butts but would never promote racism. I am interested in learning what your sources are beyond theories that is what is being taught. Concerning emersion schools, I'm assuming you are refering to the school run by Bishop Estates. My cousin attends this school and has said they do not have any racist teachings. They do however teach the hula and to speak the Hawaiian language. She continues to appreciate her Polish and Philipino (sp?) heritage as well as her Hawaiian. Just because they are "lifting up" the Hawaiian culture does NOT mean they are "putting down" other cultures. Prof. Maitu Sense === From: "Nate & Alex Tai" <natetai@aloha.net> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: missinfomed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:40:00 -0000 Dear, Ruth thanks for your views and information on Hawaiian sovereignty. i'm new to the movement and have never considered myself to be a racist,or to even have those gaols. As your web page states the"overthough may have been illigal",what kind of justice would be right? Belive it or not some of us don't believe that our goverment should be led by a nation within a nation. Lets face it, culture can always be researched, leaned, ect. Language can be learned. But what about the taking of the land? How do you replace that? Other foreign countrys host millitary bases and the united states goverment doesnt own them.The united states should be allowed to stay,but why must my people pay there taxes? I dont agree with the whole sovereignty issue, and i defenetly dont consider myself a racist,ive been married to the same beautyful german woman for twentyone years.I dont expect special treatment, such as monetary or land,but tax exemptions would defenetly be welcomed. I hope you dont consider all of us racist,because I dont consider all caucations stupid haoles. Thanks for your time. Aloha Nathan Tai e-mail:natetai@aloha.net === From: <ESabado@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:18:43 EDT To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Interesting site Aside from the racism, do the Hawaiians have any justified reasons to complain about the over throw of their gove? Please respond. === Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:00:30 -1000 From: Troy Daligdig <troy@hawaiian.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: what??? excuse me!!! so what if most hawaiians are also non hawaiians!!! does that make us less of hawaiians??? does it make the wrongs the US did to us right???...HELL FUCKIN' NO!!!!!!.....look, Sovreignty will happen.....like it or not....it's like me taking your car and going to court and admitting I took your car...but won't give it back???..you know what I mean???....our culture is still very much alive, though not like it was before....but it will be taught and brought back..... === Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:09:26 -0700 From: ken low jr <kenlowjr@home.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaiian Sovereignty Rest easy. You and like thinkers need not panic about your possessions in Hawaii Nei. Hawaiians are expressing dissatisfaction with the status quo like many groups of peoples who feel powerless over their destiny in today's world. But if you really know any real Hawaiians then you must know the real Aloha spirit is one of acceptance and welcoming of the malihini and their ways. Splintered groups will call for drastic action and individuals will speak passionately overthrow. But Most Hawaiians also realize that any nation by itself faces perilous times. Change Hawaii from what it is today? Why? Improve her? Yes!! Land reform is inevitable because of its scarcity. If the citizens of Hawaii cannot or will not come to reasonable and just solutions friction will escalate. And the very jewel that all Hawaii residents treasure will turn to a place of hate that all her beauty cannot overcome. Cooler heads must prevail if you and the extreme Hawaiian activists are to be part of the answer. Remember "If you are not part of the solution then you must be part of the problem". === From: "bob E" <dumfuc@hotmail.com> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: FUCK YOU HAOLE Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:05:23 PDT FUCK YOU ALWAYS ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [AHS: Yet another racist.] === Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:07:25 -0700 From: David Alefaio <maunakea@uswest.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: (no subject) If you want to be taken seriously, you should learn how to spell. [AHS: This comment is probably directed at our lack of use of the okina (sp?).] === Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:23:46 From: cia01@usa.net <cia01@usa.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hahaha-Good One You say that the movement for the Independence of Hawaii is a racist cause, then I say that the USA is exercising communism. My fellow anglo I say to you that the belief that the Sovereignty movement has racia lmotives is absured and denotes paranoia from yourself, you are no less racially paranoid than the Jews or the Negroes in America. The policy of the United States is to promote freedom-independence-and self determination both domestically and foreign, so therefore by holding on to Hawaii against the will of both Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians suggest an iron fist or soviet communism. Why should Germany control China, they dont because they shouldn't, so why does the US control a land more than 2000 miles from its borders. I say keep the military bases here in exchange for defense and money and let Hawaii be free. The Soviet Union gave back all the land they stole from the Baltic states, and England gave back India as well as other colonies, this only proves that England and the former Soviet Union are more just and fair than all of the United States. Hawaiians never asked to be part of the United States, they were forced, and that is unconstitutional, I know what is constitutional and waht isnt, I'm a conservative. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 === Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:26:45 -1000 From: Baron Ching <bchingkahoola@pol.net> Reply-To: intuit-10191913!qfn@concentric.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Aloha Aloha, Gee guys, I'm not Hawaiian but I think Hawaiian Sovereignty is just great. How do you figure it's racist when the independant Kingdom of Hawai'i wasn't, and had multiethnic citizens and allowed noncitizens to reside with full protection of constitutional rights? And the Kulakaiapuni can be attended by anybody, not just Hawaiians? Mahalo, Kaho'ola === From: M.L. \K-14\ Kahaialii <kahaialil001@hawaii.rr.com> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: About you're website Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:18:02 -1000 I can tell u dont know a thing about HAWAIIAN culture. First of all the BRITISH and AMERICA , stole our land that was so called PROMISED to our people in a treaty that was established by the WHITE THIEVES who had to lie and even imprison our late queen: Liliuokalani just to steal our peacefull life-style , not to mention land of which was inherited by our people by god himself. The same way that WHITE'S stole the AMERICA'S from the NATIVE AMERICAN'S. I think AMERICA today is a good example of POWER HUNGRY THIEVE'S. AMERICA is a country in possesion of stolen land. I am sure some hawaiians maybe racist.... but it is of consequence due to the unjust and unequal treatment by they who could not just stay out of other culture's live's , such as the Haole (foreigners) like you. You have no right to speak about or criticize what we want and DESERVE!!!!!!!!!!!! [AHS: There is no justification for rascism.] === From: "M.L. \"K-14\" Kahaialii" <kahaialil001@hawaii.rr.com> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: PRIDE Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:28:48 -1000 HA'AHEO O HAWAIINEI UA MAU KE'IA O KA'AINA IKA PONO A KI'I I HUI Maybe you should try and understand the root's of our people....the roots of you're people....and compare the goals of each culture. My people have alway's been love "ALOHA." I dont know exactly why you would talk so much trash about something you know so little about. I am three quarters HAWAIIAN part chinese,and italian. I am a KAHAIALI'I. Our family is of ALI'I ,"CHIEF DESCENT" and originate from KONA, HAWAI'I. If thing's were like it used to be, life would be pleasant. But it isnt, because of ignorant officials in our state, and in the american government. Someday the government will be sorry that they even STOLE our 'aina. Because if you tease a dog who is tied down or fenced in for example. It will hate you, and it will remember you're face and everything you've ever done to it. And one day it will break free of it's chain or fence and it will rise up and attack with such built-up anger it will not hesitate to rip you're flesh and possibly kill too!!!!! Maybe some people should be carefull in the choices they make and the way they treat people. Hawaiians are loving, kind and people who practice aloha...I have white friends, black friends, filipino ,samoan,tongan, i could go on and on. And you call us racist? Im not racist. I infact am a very caring,gentle person who practices ALOHA in my everyday life. At one time hawaiians were also fierce warriors. We will continue to fight for our land at any degree necessary. ALOHA, A HUI HOU!!!!! [AHS: He analogizes Native Hawaiians to abused dogs and implies that violence is a means to an end; and he supports Hawaiian Sovereignty] === Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:44:13 -1000 From: Jesse Concepcion <jconcep@uswest.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Give it back! If the people in Micronesia can maintain the rights to their lands why can't Hawaiians? It's obvious why the US won't give the Hawaiians back their land...Power and resources. Looking at it... The US really took A LOT of land away from the natives. Who would not want to live in paradise! All I can say is "GIVE BACK WHAT YOU TOOK!" no more no less! === Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:43:53 -0400 To: nohisov@hotmail.com From: Kawohikukapulani Schaumburg <kxs355@psu.edu> Subject: Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement My name is Kawohi Schaumburg and I am a student at Penn State University. I too am opposed to the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement. I am doing a research paper to inform Pennsylvania residents of the movement going on back home in Hawaii. I'm sorry but I believe some of your information on your web page is incorrect. You stated that the nation within a nation concept would make for complete Hawaiian nation, with no haoles, etc. However, that could only be achieved through the international model. Only then, could they decide what races/types of people could be citizens of the new Hawaiian nation. I am also a graduate of Kamehameha Schools. What the will states is not that it is strictly for Hawaiian students, but Hawaiian students will be given preference into the school. Thus, anyone can apply, but Hawaiians will be taken first. It does seem a bit racist, but it's just a form of affirmative action. I agree with you that the movement is racist, but I think if you chose a different stand point to relay the information, it could be more effective. For instance, I think the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement is an act to preserve Hawaiian Culture and power through political and economic independence. We could never survive on a co-op economic system and no military defense. I think they're main concern should be to preserve the culture of the Hawaiians, not the government. I would very much enjoy your reply to my suggestions. Thank you, Kawohi Schaumburg === Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:07:10 +0000 From: GEOFF MURPHY <usfdl@lava.net> Reply-To: usfdl@lava.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hate There is more hatred in your site than in the Hawaiian Sovreignty movement. The propagandist statements made in your spiel are similar to other paid right wing factions in the US, so I guess you are part of the same reactionary movement. Reparations: so it's okay for interred WW2 US/Japanese citizens to receive money for their short spell in camps. And it's okay for the Jews to receive monetary compensation as well as someone else's land to settle in, because of the genocide practised by the Nazi's. But in the case of the descendants of black slaves, the descendants of Native Americans whose ancestors were also victims of genocide, and the Hawaiians who not only suffered illegal land dispossession but were also treated with callous disregard in matters of social, economic and cultural policies, reparations is all wrong. I don't think so. The fear you have of losing your job, your home, etc. is exactly what happened to the Hawaiian people. So really feel that fear make it conscious & you'll know what they also went through. And then fight for their sovreignty. Work for justice, not guilt, hate & fear. You can all go home the Hawaiians can't. THIS IS THEIR HOME. The Hawaiian culture is deep & caring & comes from the source of things that christians preach about, & rarely practise. No Hawaiian Sovreignty group has asked for deportation of people as wicked as yourselves. So give us a break & educate your idiotic selves. Take off your blinkers & see the real world, not your myopic little tunnel of foul wind. === From: "Kim Smith" <loko@aloha.net> To: <nohisov@hotmail.com> Subject: F.O.S. Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:34:12 -1000 Where do you get your information? I hope you have a return trip ticket to where ever you come from. Lokomaika'i === Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:03:55 -1000 From: Tim Mondoy <tmondoy@sis.net> Reply-To: tmondoy@sis.net To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Your incredible display of ignorance It is always so amusing to see the work of closet racists such as yourself. This is a classic example of everything that has gone wrong with Hawaii: ignorant outsiders who have no concept of what is going on here and try to impose their self-righteous attitudes on us. People like you constantly remind me of why I am so glad to be living in Hawaii instead of the mainland where so many people are race concious and hate oriented (such as yourself). Give up this lost cause of yours - you're only making a complete fool of yourself. === Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:59:12 -1000 To: nohisov@hotmail.com From: Crystal Alboro <cytl@maui.net> I am sorry that you differ in your opinion of the sovereignty movement from others. It is obvious that you are not native nor malihini to this precious land - but as true Hawaiians, who know no boundaries of "racism", we will continue to respect your thoughts. There is no hawaiian word for race - and so there can be no connection to that connation in our attempting to right the wrong. Please check another perspective - one that is not tied to money perhaps. === Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:52:58 -1000 From: Windward CC Registered User <ngonsalv@hawaii.edu> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: hi whitey fuck you paul. have a nice "caucasion" day you cunt. [AHS: You are the racist.] === From: DaKhhine@aol.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: sov. Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:50:43 EST Get the Fuck OUT!!!!!!! Are you a member of the KKK or some kind of " White Power" movement? I wish you could be brought into a Native American Reservation and try to explain your reasoning to them. Our Native American cousins share the same beliefs and experiences. Because of your european ancestors: Brought disease, corruption, raped our women, our land, dug up the graves of our Grandfathers, claimed this land as your own because of greed. Your god and king. But this is modern times, have some respect for the people and their history. The world does not revolve around you Eurocentrism. === From: ROCAZURI@aol.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Your Web Page Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:10:04 EST Native Americans are Native American Indians. They are indigenous people on the continent U.S. In the eyes of the U.S. government, they are a sovereign community in their own communities. The problem, they were moved onto reservations in environmental conditions not conducive to thier native history; i.e., nomadic traveling with the wild herds for food, clothing (skins) and sustenance. Native Hawaiians are recognized in U.S. Federal contracts as Native Hawaiians who are indigenous to the Hawaiian Islands. Major problem is that the take over of Hawaiian lands by western philosophy (i.e., property is to be owned and land is property) has caused and given a rise to western thought (capitalistic ownership of lands) that a "sovereign community" just like that of Native American Indians would take property (wealth) away from westerners. Ala -> -> your website. In Hawaiian thought, Hawaiian lands are not owned, it is to be used for the community. From the land comes life. In western thought the $$ is the root. Racism is a western word with inuendos and terroist thought. In ancient civilazations, salves, lower classes, etc. were of same nationality, captured prisoners and not necessarily along racial lines. The "big" taking of slaves (Africans . . . . ) by western thought did the same thing to human life that western thought did to Hawaiian lands ===> property in western thought gave "ownership rights" to another human, land, paper and coin called money. In the Hawaiian culture, land was not owned. From the land, came life itself. The ali'i were holders of lands for the good of the Hawaiian people. The tabus and lifestyle surrounded the natural nature phenonenoms of fish runs, harvesting of fruits, those things that attempted to keep communities in harmony. The "kapu" system (fear of supernatural powers) was used to keep people in line. A subjective "submit or die" system was not used and is the bases of western thought (in democracies and tyranny). Order and harmony was the mission which started in the family (ohana) and taught through our kupunas. No written language meant all morals, customs were passed on by word of mouth which makes an ohana and community more intimate and socially interactive. Hawaiian sovereignty is not just land, property and money. The Hawaiian philosophy is to take from the land just what is needed because mother earth is abundant and will provide for all if you respect the land. Western thought is the complete opposite. More is better, own what you can, develop and take the natural resources in abundance because more is profit and profit is what buys you more land, more land is wealth, wealth is a social stature, etc., etc., etc. Hawaiian nationality, culture and history is an inherent birthright. The beauty and richness of Hawaii and entrusted to the Hawaiian people for thousands of years has endured its beauty. The overbuilding, the new "yuppy wave" (turn Hawaii into the mainland), polution of Hawaiian waters and lands in just over 300 years is not in the best interest of you and me included. Italians, Polocks, Germans, etc., propose cultural re-juvenation, classes, centers, parties, etc. There is no easy answer for Hawaii and only the correct end objective can slow the overbuilding and polution of Hawaii. Hawaii has been touched by western thought and it will never be the same. If we can save Hawaii's environment in her lands, waters and indigenous plants and animals ===> and cultural charm, thought process and social graces ===> may be future generations can learn and critique western civilzation from a polynesian isle point of view. NO REPLY IS NECESSARY - WHAT I SAY WILL NOT CHANGE OR SWAY SOMEONE WHO HAS PUT UP MONEY TIME TO STAND ON "RACISM" AS THE MOTIVATING REASON FOR ANTI- SOVEREIGNTY!! A HUI HOU! [AHS: Take a few deep breaths.] === From: Sarah Char <cyberchar@syv.com> Reply-To: cyberchar@syv.com To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: Hawaii's Independance Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:44:17 -0800 Why do you speak against Hawaii's independance? Would you permit or advocate YOUR ancestors' homeland be freely taken over by someone else such that they could turn a larger profit? It's not a racist issue. They were another people before finding the islands. The islands were theirs because no one else had claimed them. The islands made the people. The people lived in harmony with the ecosystem. Some brutish "white men" came in and decided they liked what they saw and wanted it--and took it. The beauty that was Hawaii is gone. Overdeveloped. Left behind by major developers. Used. The original occupants want it back to heal it. Support it. It(Hawaii) needs the original people to remake it. Is that a bad thing? I think your thoughts present a line of jealousy. Have you ever owned or possesed something precious to you, and someone larger/stronger took it away? The Hawaiians were lucky to receive Hawaii. They worked hard to obtain it. Many died before reaching the islands. It was by their wit and strength that they acquired a new homeland--and again, they took it from no one. Your jealousy states that you haven't held something precious. Feel free to write me back, I'll take you down. Or are you so sure? --4th Gen [AHS Take me down? Not necessary, you've taken youself down.] === From: "Isaac D. Harp" <iharp@aloha.net> To: nohisov@hotmail.com Subject: TRUTH! Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:30:49 -1000 This note is intended for the poor idiot that created the uninformed material displayed at: . If you would take the time to research the actual FACTS, you wouldn't be wasting your time with this type of trash. Do you know why Hawaii is called the land of ALOHA? This name was given to Hawaii because, of all of the nations in the world, Hawaii is the location where the Indigenous people were the most tolerant of other nationalities. This ALOHA has diminished over the decades, to where it is becoming an endangered emotion. Because of the continuance of the illegal occupation of Hawaii by the United States, many criminal acts continue to be perpetuated against the Hawaiian people, i.e., stealing of ancestral lands, mismanagment of ceded land revenues, illegal holding of crown monies, mismanagement of natural resources, mismanagement of Hawaiian trust funds, the list goes on and on and on. If the Hawaiian people are successful in recovering what was stolen (sovereignty), not only will life in Hawaii be better for Hawaiians, it will be better for ALL who call Hawaii home. Don't be prejudice against the Hawaiian people for wanting justice. Justice is a right of all men, no matter what the color of his skin. It is this kind of trash, that fuels the movement of Hawaiian Sovereignty. Pour it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* aloha 'oe, isaac