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From: Nainoa K Gonsalves <ngonsalv@hawaii.edu>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: hi whitey
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:02:21 -1000
who the fuck is paul? Are you still a dumb fucking haole!
ngonsalv@hawaii.edu
On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Windward CC Registered User wrote:
> fuck you paul. have a nice "caucasion" day you cunt.
>
[AHS: Oh my!]
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From: Kehau McKee <manae@aloha.net>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: good luck...
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:12:40 +0000
Rest assured!!!What will be will be.....everything that is happening is
for told in NA-MELE..You nor anyone else can change the destiny of Na
Kanaka Mauoli!!! Aloha, LOU
[AHS: Just shut up]
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From: "Michael" <mike@waki.mke.mei.co.jp>
To: <nohisov@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hawaiian sovereignty
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:13:43 +0900
Dear Sir,
I read your home page but you fall far short of being convincing.
I am not Hawaiian. (My ancestors come from Ireland and Germany.) But after living several years in Hawaii I can feel for the plight of the native Hawaiians. It is unfortunate you can not.
Michael Arnold
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From: Frank Young <Frank_and_Lili@hotmail.com>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: your position
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:50:16 -0700
What makes you decide that the soveriegn peoples of Hawaii are not
entitled to the same recognition that you expect and demand of your
government ?
There is nothing in your web page which addresses the illegality of the
overthrow of the Hawaiian nation and the proper legal actions which
should have been mandated by that action.
The independence of Hawaii is not based on the race of the people who
were there prior to the creation of the constitutional Hawaiian
government. That constitutional government granted rights to all people
independent of race and it was the removal of the right for Hawaiian
people to vote (base on race, which you pretend to be opposed to) which
led to the uprising and takeover of the Hawaiian country by American
immigrants, using the force of the American military.
Any independent government of Hawaii of today would be egalitarian,
non-sectarian, and not based on race, as these things would be required
by the people for that government to achieve recognition and support.
What is the real reason you cannot accept other people deciding what
they want to do with their lives and their land ??
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From: "Liz Harrington" <kailua2@earthlink.net>
To: <nohisov@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:10:03 -0000
Aloha, to take your words exactly, "The overthrow may have been illegal, but does that justify the racist goals of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement?" Come on man, If something got stolen form you illegal would you want it back? We are talking about right and wrong.... lets help to make it just.
Liz
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From: "Arlo Abrahamson" <arlokane@worldnet.att.net>
To: <nohisov@hotmail.com>
Subject: My response
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:03 -1000
I read your website about the anti-Hawaiian movement. I think you are over exaggerating about what Hawaiian's intentions are. I believe that Hawaiians deserve some special rights and privileges. After all, this is their mother land and they were here first. If one wants to learn more about their heritage, by all means, give them every opportunity. I also want to say that I don't think anybody should be worried about this movement as a threat. The movement will give things back to the Hawaiians that they deserve. But I don't ever see the US just packing up and leaving Hawaii unless they did it by their own free will. I know that statement will make Hawaiian people angry, but its the cold hard truth. What I do see happening is some kind of nation within a nation, much like the Native Americans. This would provide Native Hawaiians a place to govern themselves and would be a great victory for these wonderful people. I read most of the e-mails that were sent to you and it seems you have many who appose your stance. I scratch my head everytime this issue comes up. People always want to blame all their problems on white people and insult us as if we all thought and acted one way on this issue. What I would like to tell any people reading this letter, especially Hawaiians, is the Haoles, as you call us, is a very general term for a very large group of people on this earth. This would be like me calling a Hawaiian an pacific islander or Chinese an Asian. My point is, we do not think alike, act alike just because we have white skin. I am Icelandic in heritage, and French or English is about as foreign to me as Hawaiian. So insulting white people and grouping them together into one group is pea minded because we are all human beings and think differently. Most white people of living here have nothing but love for the Aloha spirit and Hawaiian Culture. Many are advocates for the movement. Some of the e-mails sent to you attempt to write insulting remarks about us just because a handful of Caucasian missionaries took over the Hawaiian monarchy. I have no connection to any of these atrocities just because I am white. My family was not even in this country when these things happened. Hawaii as a true paradise would be a place where all races got along and no one would be labeled as Hawaiian and Non Hawaiian. This place is too much of a melting pot for any people to be like that.
Having lived all over the world, I'm sorry to say that Hawaii is a beautiful place, but a far cry from a paradise. I don't agree with much that you say sir in your web site, but it is an interesting perspective. Hopefully, the 21st century will bring a better life for all human beings. What ever become of Hawaii, let the people decide, all races who call Hawaii home.
Sinerely
Hans
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From: default <durquhart55@hotmail.com>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: What are you really after?
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:36:03 -1000
What do have that is so threatened by Hawaiian sovereignty? I am sure
you are intelligent enough to know the meaning of racist as written in
Webster's dictionary ; racist:A doctrine that inherent differences among
the various human races determine cultural or individual
achievement,usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior.
Hatred or intolerance of another race.
In any of your accusations that hawaiian sovereignty is racist ,did
you actually read any document from any of the sovereignty groups
regarding how they do things that says anything about hatred or
intolerance of other races? Do you have anything to substantiate any of
your accusations? Seems that all you have is your own personal
interpretation of what Hawaiian sovereignty means or should I say a
Subjective view of this matter. Maybe people will not agree with what
sovereignty is trying to gain whether it is for monetary or political or
whatever,but what justification do you have to say that we are racist? A
very small percentage of hawaiians or part-hawaiians and non-hawaiians
are directly involved in sovereignty groups the majority are just trying
to make a living. So are we to be called racist for trying to have a
decent life? You compare us to the KKK and WAR have you heard of
hawaiians going around shooting those that are not hawaiians for the
sake of hawaiian supremacy? Do you hear of non-hawaiians being strung up
on a tree by a lynch mob of hate-crazed hawaiians? None whatsoever not
even close. So why the comparison? You are the one that is accusing us
of being racist is there something that we did to you? Or what will you
lose if hawaiian sovereignty was to be successful? Do you have some
economic motive to accuse someone of something they are not? Maybe the
sovereignty movement is in the way of some grand money-making scheme you
have for the long term. Something that will be used in the context of
U.S. law to justify whatever it is that you want to manipulate? On the
surface there is nothing to substantiate your accusations,people who put
out disinformation about others Always have ulterior motives behind
their actions. Sad to say that your disinformation may only make things
worse for a situation that is already difficult to solve.
Your site SUCKS.....have a nice day.
Onipa'a kanaka maoli Aloha ia 'oe Hawaii nei
William K.
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From: Ken Conklin <ken_conklin@yahoo.com>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: New Website
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
Aloha!
Please visit my new website, where I believe you
will find much to agree with. Please feel free to
include a link to it on your website. I'd like to
make this new website more visible, but so far it has
not been picked up by any of the search engines,
except the Mining Company which I specifically
contacted.
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty
Ken Conklin
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
===
From: "-0- -0-" <tbell4242@hotmail.com>
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: you do not even know!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:35:57 PDT
Paul-
Aloha hi my name is Makanoanalani and I visited your sight today. I can not belive the untrue facts you wrote about the Hawaiian Soverenty movement. This is not a racial movement. If you think so you are the most ignorant and idiotic man alive.
I can tell your racism. Rasism was when my culture, the Hawaiian people, would graciously lone out their land to foriners and before they knew it there where fences saying NO HAWAIIANS. Racism is knowing I have to wake up every week day and go to a caucasian domanant school where me and my local friends are called HAWAIIAN NIGGERS everyday we are there. And just because we speak pidgin, we are put into special classes with students who truly don't speak english. I know for a fact I have grades and the markings to be in honors classes!!! Racism is also the fact that I can not get a caucasian boyfriend because everyone where I live just thinks we are good for nothing violent people.
The only reason immersion schools and schools such as Kamehemeha are exclusive at this point in time, is because of the fact that our own people need to know their culture before the world should know our culture (which was so wrongfully STOLEN from us). We do not do this in racism. Hawaiians are some of the most loving and open people you could know, but when such awful unfair and harsh things are done to a people don't expect them to just sit back.
We DON'T want to be part of a nation that doesn't want of for all of who we are and what we are. And WE AREN'T!!!!
I honestly suggest that untill you get ALL the facts you should stop this Hawaiians are racis and the soverinety movment is racis, because the same thing that happend to the Native Indians happend to my people. We were literally ABUSED and taken advantage of, and we tried to take back what was ours in the first place we became the bad guys.
Sinceraly
Makanaonalani Liana
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From: "Kealakai" <Kealakai@hawaii.rr.com>
To: <nohisov@hotmail.com>
CC: <ohalion@Hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Hawai`i(an) Sovereignty: The Truth...A Nation Under GOD
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:14:44 -1000
Dear Anti-Hawaiian Sovereignty, i.e. Anti-God
You should do your own research and investigation, and go and ask Your
American Legislators; Your President; and Your Courts..about the truth.
THE FOLLOWING HAS NEVER BEEN REFUTED:
1. The Hawaiian Kingdom was founded and established on the same Godly
principles that founded and established the United States of America;
2. How about those Ali`i nobles of Hawai`i: which included Issac Davis;
John Young; Hiram Bingham [non-koko(blood)], who were considered
Hawai`i(an) dignitaries [buried at Mauna`Ala: A Royal Hawaiian Resting
Place], .
3. The first written laws of Hawai`i(an) Sovereignty are based on The Holy
Scriptures and the Ten Commandments;
4. The Hawai`i(an) Magna Charta..1839, clearly indicated such foundation of
oneness of Blood...not division: "God hath made of one blood all nations
of men to dwell on the earth, in unity and blessedness. God has also
bestowed certain rights alike on all men and all chiefs, and all people of
all lands."
5. The Rest of the Declaration [which was the Preamble to the First Written
Hawaiian Sovereignty Constitution of 1840] repeatedly makes reference to
God's Almighty presence and Divine Providence in His preparation of the
Hawai`i(an) People as a Nation of Godly Rulers and Citizensnd, and
Subjects:
"God has also established government, and rule for the purpose of peace;'
"...but in making laws...that no chief [leader] may be able to oppress any
subject, but that chiefs and people may enjoy the same protection, under
one and the same law."
"Protection is hereby secured to the persons of all the people, together
with their lands, their building lots, and all their property,..."
""Whatever chief shall act perserveringly in violation of this
constitution, shall no longer remain a chief of the Hawaiian Islands, and
the same shall be true of the Governors, officers, and all land agents."
"It is our design to regulate our kingdom according to the above
principles and thus seek the greatest prosperity both of all the chiefs and
all of the people of these Hawaiian Islands."
" But we are aware that we cannot ourselves alone accomplish such an
object - God must be our aid, for it is His province alone to give perfect
protection and prosperity, -Wherefore we first present our supplication to
Him, that he will guide us to right measures and sustain us in our work"
6. The whole concept of Hawai`i's Sovereignty was focused on God's Agape
Love: AloHa: The Love of God and Love of Neighbor. Clearly, todays True
Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement must adhere to [and does] to that which God's
AloHa People set as "our fixed decree:
"I. That no law shall be enacted which is at variance with the word of the
Lord Jehovah, or at variance with the general spirit of His word. All laws
of the Islands shall be in consistency with the general spirit of God's
law.
"II. All men of every religion shall be protected in worshipping Jehovah,
and serving Him, accordingto their own understanding, but no man shall ever
be punished for neglect of God unless he injures his neighbor, or bring
evil on the kingdom.
"III. The law shall give redress to every man who is injured by another
without a fault of his own, and shall protect all men while they conduct
properly, and shall punish all men who commit crime against the Kingdom or
against individuals, and no unequal law shall be passed for the benefit of
one to the injury of another."
I can go on and on...but what it really all comes down to...is the
nitty-gritty of the whole matter...reflects on this 'erroneous' Web Page
which plays right into the Hands of those individuals in the State and in
the Federal Bureaucracies...who know the truth "ABOUT THE REAL HAWAIIAN
SOVEREIGNTY MOVEMENT" to restore the Original Foundation and Intent of the
Legitimate Hawai`i(an) Kingdom Government...NOT THE EUROPEAN MONARCHY
BALOGNA[Y] most have presumed by the simple 'errors' associated with
historical analysis.
Better yet, there is a legitimate HAWAIIAN SOVEREIGNTY: REINSTATEMENT AND
RESTORATION---PEACE ACCORD---now in place and ready to makes its way out of
the 'Kaona' [Hidden] Place of Administrative due process and Service
thereof...of 'Our Peace Accord';
That the State of Hawaii...is a de facto Hawaiian Government and is NOT
AN AMERICAN SOVEREIGN STATE OF THE 'AMERICAN SOVEREIGN UNION OF SEVERAL
STATES' . Its is a Federal Embassy/Flag State of the 'exclusive' Ten Mile
Square District of Columbia.
It was merely declared to be a State of the Union on equal footing with
all others...as all the other states have been also federalized through the
years. In essence there in fact 50 Federal States of the Union of the Flag
[Title 4] however...even there it declares the Union to be 48; and Alaska
and Hawaii are made a part thereof BY EXECUTIVE ORDER only.
Now go back to square one: Its perfectly understandable that when the
President of the United States enacts into Public Law 103-150, November 23,
1993, the "ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND APOLOGY", passed by the 103rd United States
Congress [Senate Joint Resolution, 19], basically an adopted admission of
the "illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom", international law allows
for a 'reconciliation' of the "ramifications" thereof.
Your Anti-Hawaiian Sovereignty 'error' is the ORCHESTRATED RESULTS of a
General Media Press...THAT HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION and
literally...thousands upon thousands of pages of documents establishing
this TRUTH:
i. NOBODYS GETTING KICKED OUT OF THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS'
ii. THERE MUST BE A STRONG FEDERAL/STATE OF HAWAII PRESENCE...for the sake
of the 850,000+ U.S. citizens [many of Hawaiian ethnicity] who have no
desire to change their present 'social-political' status-quo;
iii. THERE WILL BE A RESPECTFUL FEDERAL 'OVERSIGHT' [REFEREE]
PRESENCE...while we go though our transition period; TO ASSIST IN THE
OBVIOUS misunderstandings on all sides of the Hawaiian Sovereignty Issue.
iv. And THERE WILL BE A RESTORED HAWAIIAN KINGDOM NATION, and a legitimate
INTERIM Lawful Hawai`i(an) Government, A PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT...a
transitory Governing Council made up of NON-U.S. "NATIVE HAWAIIANS":
"People of the Hawai`i(an) Society," presently acknowledged by the U.S.
Federal District Court in Hawaii [go down to the Court and see
Cv-96-00089].
v. The Implementing FACILITATING AGENCY WAS ALWAYS "THE OFFICE OF HAWAIIAN
AFFAIRS", 'OHA'. Presently a separate entity independent of all branches
of the state government. IT IS NOT A STATE OF HAWAII AGENCY.
What you need to start asking yourself is why was all this kept from the
"PEOPLE OF HAWAII"? EVERYONE IN THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT KNOWS
ABOUT THIS. You and the rest of the Anti-Hawaiian Sovereignty advocates
need to put the right pressure in the right camp. Do your work and Demand
a Formal Hearing on these Matters above stated.
"The People of the Hawai`i(an) Society, a self-declared Provisional
Government for the Kingdom of Hawaii," [Cv-96-00089] is and open File that
anyone can view...AND SHOULD. GET THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH STRAIGHT. THIS
IS AFTER ALL THE LAND OF KEAKUAALOHA/YHWH. The Land of AloHa. Lets Start
Acting Like It. A Wrong is a Wrong No Matter what its dressed to look
like.
American Integrity and Honor Demands that the Truth Be Known. All those
Claiming Hawaiian Sovereignty, who cannot accept these Truths than that's
too bad...We live By the Rule of Law...and Not by the Rule of Man and
Majority. Oh and By the way...You should see what the Early Military
Manual use to say about Democracy v. Republic [of America].
God Bless
EXECUTIVE MINISTER, Lindsey
(O'Ha) Interim Provisional Government Council
===
From: JVCOCONUTS@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: get a transplant
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:37:27 EDT
I have come to understand that their are basic rights that come with the
ability of free speech, however i would hope that the facts would be
presented when you are speaking and publishing information that many will
read. Your personal opinions and lack of FACTUAL INFORMATION ASTOUNDS ME AT
YOUR IGNORANCE. If you are a christian who is your god? The christain god
that i know is a god of love, he is not a god of fear, and hatred. Hawaii
has become what is it because of the power and control of people outside of
the understanding of the indegenous people of that place. They are not
anything like KKK, and their motives are not racial. (Have you heard of the
term, projection, used in psycology) Take a look at what your motives are.
What do you want out of this? And if your answer is white people out, then
be on your merry way. So that the white people that belong here don't have
to be embarrased by the likes of you.
===
From: KEAUHAYN@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: fair place to live????!?!?!?!?!?
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 03:45:17 EDT
I think that your site is very selfish. How can you say that it is a racist
movement. Hawaii never ask to be made a state or territory of the US
government, it was forced into annexiation. Do you think that Native
Americans ask for there slaughter in the genicide of the country called "THE
FREE WORLD"... O r do you think that Africans wanted to be slaves in the US
mainland and then when let free and adapt to there surroundings, be tortured
by discrimination and hate by the same people who brought them here to live
this lie of America. This make me disgusted that you could live such a cold
life where all you think about is the well being of youself. Of course non
kanake maoli dont want sovereignty and think that the advancement of
minorities is bad because for centuries there ancestors have been killing
innocent people so that you can live your so "happy" life as you call it. I
was given this world I didnt make it, so of course I need to help to save my
culture from the melting pot of society. The reason why Hawaii is Hawaii is
because of Hawaiians, not Haoles. Think about how greedy you really are for
a change. This page is very misinformal.
bye
===
From: OhNoKaiWai@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: You're Website!!
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:39:02 EDT
To Whom It May Concern:
You speak of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement as if all people of Hawaiian
descent agree with the movement. That in fact is not true. I am of Hawaiian
descent and do not equate myself any lesser or more of a Hawaiian because I
agree or disagree with the sovereignty movement. Being Hawaiian is not about
ones involvement in the movement. It is much more than blood quantum, it is
about traditions, the perpetuation of it that sustains the Hawaiian culture
today. While you in fact do have the facts straight about the overthrow, you
however show no sympathy towards the plight of the Hawaiian culture and its
people as a result of the overthrow. You somehow neglected to state that
what preceded the overthrow was years and years of opression of the Hawaiian
people. They were not allowed to govern their own land, they were not
allowed to speak their own language. Basically the overthrow in a way
occurred long before 1893. It began the moment the Hawaiian Isles were
settled in the 1700's. If you were able to admit that it wasn't just the
overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy that sparked the sovereignty movement, it
was the years of oppression before that, that ignited the flame.
Those in the sovereignty movement do not speak for all Hawaiians. I may not
agree with the entire movement but I do agree that people of Hawaiian descent
do deserve the opporutnity
culture. It is in fact the life source of the people. I am surprised that
you did mention much on the Native American movement. They have for the most
part successfully achieved their status as a soveriegn people.
What you may not understand perhaps because you yourself have never
oppressed, when people are oppressed they tend to want to do something about
it. This is exactly what the movement is all about. It may not be in the
best interest of all the people, but by gosh they're doing something about
it. And for that, I commend oppressed people around the world for doing.
===
From: Mahealani Ventura <gregfi2@attglobal.net>
Reply-To: gregfi2@attglobal.net
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: to the author; your perpetuation of racism
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:40:27 -0400
Aloha mai kaua,
I am going to save you from yourself: read closely your own web page:
1) Begins with "Anti-Hawaiian"
answer: You are proclaiming your own "anti-ethnicity message"
2) Page full of opinions; no factual evidence
answer: You are not informed.
3) Language contains personal conflict messages
answer: You are venting your feelings of ethnic inadequacy
4) Non-organized, rambling thoughts and No Sources named
answer: Conveys your intolerance of knowledge superior to yours
5) No recognition of author and no direct responsibility for subject
matter
answer: The author feels the obvious need for anonimity; further
conveyance of the author's realization of the purpose behind the message
posted and the use of a web page as a public proclaimer for personal
attitudes towards Hawaiians; perhaps a displacement of anger from a
hurtful experience the author believes was caused by a person of
Hawaiian ancestry.
6) Immediately quotes source; other than the author
answer: The author suffers from superiority complex; defined by efforts
like the use of a web page as mirrors to public to find justification of
personal ; emotional hidden traumas that the author has and I believe;
used to define himself all his life up to now, I hope.
Read carefully: All people must respect the efforts to retribution,
happiness and good will towards one another. We must stop defining
ourselves by the approval of others and simply know what it is that is
right; and rightfully so; to be as informed as possible about the
subject that we are making an opinion regarding.
To the author; re-define and clarify your web-page for axactly to be
what it is to those of us that are looking on.
It is a reflection of you and we are able to see or to immediately
profile your sense of yourself; by reading about you. This page is an
incitement to displace anger; where you think you must put it upon.
Take care,
A Hawaiian
===
From: KUPAA2000@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Amen!
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:20:04 EDT
Dear Paul,
Your bias is clearly evident in your writing. Well done! in revealing your
own personal animosity towards the Hawaiian people.
Unfortunate for you that you often contradict yourself. Your accusations are
not 100% correct and misrepresents the true efforts of my people. You imply
that we are a people of greed and racism. You also try to depict us as a
people of no education and dignity. You are so far from understanding our
efforts.
I'm glad you're ignorant or your mission to thwart our efforts would truly be
upsetting.
Mahalo nui loa for being what you are.
Kupa'a!
===
From: CKaleiwahe@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Just a friendly response!
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:51:57 EDT
THIS WEBSITE DISGUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........DELETE IT.
===
From: IOpedal@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: The Anti-Hawaiian Sovereignty Page
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:41:50 EDT
The glib generalizations, the total one-sidedness in point of view, and the
great leaps in logic on this website are truly chilling. Please do not hop
on this bandwagon without knowing what you are talking about. You guys scare
me. Aloha ino.
===
From: LVHaYn18@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Get A Life
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:04:13 EDT
My my my, it sounds to me like you're just a haole who was beaten up by a
Hawaiian when you were little and this is your way of getting back . . . how
lame.
The Hawaiians only want whats theirs, nothing more and nothing less. How can
something that's rightfully yours be called racist when you just want it back?
I don't think you've done much research on this subject and if you did,
obviously you're making a lot of shit up.
As for Kamehameha Schools, don't even try to call it a racist school. It
wasn't built to shut out the haoles, it was built to give Hawaiians a chance
to get an education LIKE the rest of the haoles.
And this . . .
Reparations.
This is not a Hawaiian sovereignty movement in the strictest sense, however,
it is listed here for the potential it has for the promotion of Hawaiian
sovereignty based ideologies. Supporters of this movement demand monetary
compensation for wrongs committed by the U.S. government against the
ancestral members of the Hawaiian people. In other words, advocates of this
movement want money handed down to them based on the treatment of their
Hawaiian ancestors. How would such compensation be calculated? Why not
compensate the citizens of the United States for economic loss suffered
during the Great Depression?
When the US suffered the Great Depression, was it done on purpose by greedy
people? I don't think so. Try again.
Look, if you think all Hawaiians have this thinking that if we had the power
we would kick all "non-Hawaiians out," I dunno where you've been. All the
Hawaiians want are their lands and rights back. We don't want to rule the
haoles like they've been stepping all over us. Instead, like I KEEP SAYING,
all we want is what's rightfully ours.
Please go back and do some more researching. What you have on your webpage
sounds like a lot of bits and pieces from here and there, slapped together
and held together by a bunch of BS and gossip.
===
From: Kamaks31@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:33:11 EDT
I am a graduate of the Kamehameha Schools, and I wanted to comment on the
section about Kamehameha/Bishop Estate and the Hawaiian Immersion Program.
First and foremost, the Kamehameha Schools are privately owned and operated
for the soul purpose of educating a minority race. If you did the research
behind the school, you would have found out that, in the past, there were
actual cases brought to court about the schools prejudice. These cases
argued the same case written in this article. The schools actually won with
a defense that still stands strongly today. The founder of the Kamehameha
Schools Bishop Estate was our wonderful Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop. She
was of royal decent, and through her relatives, she inherited huge amounts of
land throughout the state of Hawaii. From this inheritance, she and her
husband, Charles Reed Bishop, were able to establish an estate that, today,
is worth over 10 billion dollars. Before she passed away, she wrote in her
will that there should be two schools built and they should be called, The
Kamehameha Schools for Boys and The Kamehameha Schools for Girls. They were
named after her relative, Kamehameha the Great. She specifically stated that
the schools were for children of Hawaiian aboriginal blood. All of what has
been said can be summed up into a few words. Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop
built an estate where her land could be used to serve her people, the native
people of Hawaii. I do not understand how someone who generously gives to a
lesser race can be criticized on how she gave her money to her people.
Second, the Hawaiian Immersion Program is a state program that offers its
services to all of the people of Hawaii. I know a situation where two young
Hawaiian boys were not accepted into the program. They were turned down
because the program contained enough students, students of Hawaiian and
Non-Hawaiian races. The program offers the chance for children to be
educated in an official state language. By doing so, it also offers the
students a chance to learn about the Hawaiian culture. I cannot see how
educating a child about the diversity of cultures could be wrong. Education
has always been the key to success. To be educated on a more diverse level
is a bonus to the child.
In the future, I hope that when accusations are made, they are supported with
correct information. I have given you accurate facts, and there is more
information to be learned. I would like it if further research about topics,
such as these, were done before publishing. It would prove inaccurate claims
to be wrong.
Sincerely,
Kamaka Parker
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From: Kealalio Nikki <nkealalio@mail.whitworth.edu>
To: "'nohisov@hotmail.com'" <nohisov@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:48:59 -0700
I must say that I also disagree with the sovereignty movement of the Native
Hawaiians,
but how dare you leave out important details of Hawaiians past and just yell
racism in
their face. You can not comment on the history of Hawaiians in just two
sentences,
which you somehow seemed to do. The Native Hawaiians were mistreated and
never
compensated. No, that does not mean we should kick people off their land,
but who
are you to say that it is a purely racist act. It is an act being done out
of anger. Anger
because our culture was ripped from us and only now are we piecing it back
together.
Anger because nobody realizes exactly what happened to the Native Hawaiians.
Anger, because of people like you. I think it is just as racist on your
part to respond in such a way.
Thank you for your time
Nikki Kealalio
nkealalio@mail.whitworth.edu
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From: "Tiare" <manalani@mauigateway.com>
To: <nohisov@hotmail.com>
Subject: Upset
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:58:30 -1000
Aloha,
My name is Leina'ala and I am not one of the Hawaiian movements but you're facts are really messed up. I really think you should re-evaluate what you have written, because to be frank they are "hella tore up" and me as a young growing Hawaiian and very upset at what i see.
Tiare
Love is patient, Love is Kind, It does not boast,
it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not
easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs, Love does
not delightin evil but rejoices with the truth. It always
protects, always trusts, always hopes always perserveres!
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
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From: KSwiss2004@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Kamehameha Schools
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 02:56:04 EST
How dare you say that the Kamehameha Schools is a racist school. I
attend Kamehameha and I am very offended. If Pauahi had left in her will
that only students without Hawaiian blood could attend Kamehameha, would the
topic of Kamehameha even be on your page? In Kamehameha they teach us Ke Ala
Pono, obviously you don't know that...because your a jerk.
On your site you stated the Hawaiian sovereignty is practically the same
as KKK, or WAR. That too offends me! Let me tell you something, the
organization KKK, hurt other people because of their race. Hawaiian
sovereignty does not do that! Nor do they criticize others! Hawaiian
sovereignty is basically asking that the US to give back the land that they
said they would. You are the racist!!!
Opposed reader of your site!!!
Mahalo,
a citizen of Hawai`i
===
From: Hbloc138@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Hawaii
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:57:21 EST
I am of hawaiin ancestory but not 100% I am interested in how you came upon
all of your conclusions about the Hawaiin Ancestory movement. I lwas born
and raised in the mainland but have always been intouch with my hawaiin
background. My father attended Kamehameha SChool along with all of his
brothers and sisters and I too almost went there only to change my mind at
the last minute. If I could go back again I would definetly have attended
because I feel I would have benifited greatly by the knowledge I would have
learned about my culture and what outsiders(such as yourself it appears0 are
trying to do to destroy it. Are you Hawaiin? My entire fathers side of the
family lives on Oahu and the other heighboring islands. I am not convinced
at all by your web-page that the Hawaiin soveirghnty movement is racist or
has alterior motives. I believe they are trying to keep the culture alive.
Have you seen what big buisness has done to the islands? Even the country(N.
shore) is starting to be inveded by hotels and other companies. The islands
were stolen from the people. And many of the people that live there now,
like me are mixed racially. But that does not mean they do not know their
Hawaiin Culture. Your statement about Hawaii wanting to be a soveirn state
but "use US currency and vote in US elections" is horrible. Of couse they do
both of these because they are a state within a union and do not have any
other choice. Kamehameha school was founded and formed by the bishop estate
after the wishes of Liikoi who wanted a school to be formed for the children
of hawaiins. She left this in her will and she wanted to give priority to
kids of anchient hawaiin so that the language and culture could be preserved.
The reason for the mixed ancestory was because of the invasion and inproper
and unlawful taking of the Hawaiian land. The school also does not "only"
accept kids of Hawaiin background they just give prefernece. I am merely a
young hawaiin college student voicing my opinion and would enjoy reading your
responses and background for your web-page.
Sincerely
Keali'i
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From: Keepon18@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Get it straight
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:39:53 EST
Mr. You SERIOUSLY need to get your facts straight. I find it quite
interesting that you hardly ever respond with your snide littel coments to
the e-mails that make sense, perhaps it's because you know you can't answer
to them. Most of the comentary that you do give is along the lines of "you
are the racist" or "he is a racist" or "she is a racist"...In one situation,
you even called someone a racsit because she used her ethnic background to
describe herself...why is she a racist because of that? The fact is that her
use of her ethnicities helped proved her point how she is more racially
discriminated against in the continental united states than she was when she
lived in Hawaii. The way you responded to someones observation of wrong
spelling was that you did not use okina in your text....no, you just
misspelled a few words...who said anything about okina? This coment just
proves how threatened you feel about people learning about their culture
because maybe you don't have one to learn about. If this is the case, why
don't you learn about Hawaiian culture? In fact, I wish you would cause then
maybe you wouldn't be so ignorant about the subject.
[AHS: Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions . . .]
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From: Ltcmc@aol.com
To: nohisov@hotmail.com
Subject: Hawaii protests
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:58:05 EST
Aloha,
While pondering the affects of the recent WTO-protests in Seattle I have
come to a conclusion that such protests put the issue of the WTO on the
national scene--it brought the WTO into a framework of debate rather than
plain ignorance. Thus the WTO protests were a success. No longer can the
WTO-elite hope that their actions will go unnoticed.
I believe that the time has come for Hawaiians, and all who believe in
Sovereignty, to follow the example of the WTO protests. If Hawaiians and
other local citizens protest not only for Sovereignty, but for democratic
pluralism (as opposed to so-called "free market" extremist ideologies) as
well, the issue will be put on the national forfront--i.e. the media will pay
attention to it and politicians will have to address it. Without a protest,
nothing--I repeat NOTHING-- will ever come of Hawaiian sovereignty (and hence
democratic pluralism in Hawaii). The current whining done by many in the
Sovereignty movement is futile.
Hawaii's economy is currently "under the influence" of transnational (or
foreign) hotel, vacation, airline, and real estate corporations. It is also
heavily dependent on U.S. federal government spending, as well as Hawaii
State spending (from funds received from its citizens, the federal
government, or the little it gets from Hawaii's high corporate tax). Local
people are dependent. Hawaii is fortunate to receive aid
from federal government spending, for most corporate profits (which turn into
investments) earned in Hawaii are spent elsewhere. Without federal government
spending, the only source of domestic income Hawaii would have is the wages
and salaries of transnational corporations (as well as from the small service
businesses catering to tourists, and some agriculture). In other words,
Hawaii would be a Jamaica, a Costa Rica, or some other "banana republic."
Do not Hawaii's local population deserve better? Should not they have
control over their own resources (e.g. the natural beauty) and be able to
profit from it? Isnt the tourist industry indirectly expropriating Hawaii's
windfall resources in the form of foreign controlled corporations and
property ownership? Its time to take a stand against this situation. Its time
to stand up against the extremist, so-called "free market" ideology which,
like communist ideology, is used to oppress people and legitamize elitist
power. Its time to stand up for democratic pluralism--an idea that believes
in both markets and responsiblity. And to do this, the Sovereignty issue is
the best starting point.
Sincerely,
CLB
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