Emailed Experiences and Comments.....
From: Czoov@aol.com To: fthenavy@geocities.com Subject: YOU MUST BE... Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:03:40 EST one of the ones who couldn't handle being away from mommy and daddy and had to get out so you could get back to being a loser.
I love this type of email! This is the very reason that I created this webpage. This person assumes they know the reason why I have decided not dedicate my whole life to the Navy. So, Mr. Czoov, here is my impression of you.... you are either a Chief or a person too stupid or afraid to live in the real world. I have done my time... 6 years active duty (4 years time in rate as E-5). I never re-enlisted even though everyone around me was(they all regret the mistake they made). I made more money in the first two months out of the Navy than I did during my last year in the Navy! My benefits are better and I get rewarded with stock options, bonuses, and raises instead of silly ribbons for my hard work and dedication. I think the benefits of leaving far out-weigh staying. I get to sleep with my wife everynight, not live at or below the poverty level, wear normal clothes to work, my employer doesn't tell me how to live (they don't care either), and don't have to leave my life on hold for six months at a time in order to make circles in the gulf.
From: Czoov@aol.com To: fthenavy@geocities.com Subject: Re: YOU MUST BE... Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:51:12 EST
NOPE...NO SPAM(DON'T TRY IT EITHER)..NOT A CHIEF EITHER...BUT I AM DEDICATED TO SERVING MY COUNTRY AND YES I CAN SAY THE NAVY HASN'T BEEN FAIR TO ME IN SOME INSTANCES...BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE HAVE BEEN VERY VERY VERY SELDOM. ALSO, FOR LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD...I DO LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD AND I AM SURE NOT AFRAID OF IT, UNLIKE YOU, AS FOR MAKING MONEY, YOU MUST BE A MATERIALISTIC FREAK, MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING. I DO HAVE ONE LAST THING TO SAY...IT WASN'T THE NAVY WHO SCREWED THINGS UP FOR YOU, IT WAS MOST LIKELY YOU AND YOUR ATTITUDE.
Attention visitors! Please do not spam the individual above... he has enough problems to deal with. Response to follow....
Here's More Email.....
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:25:43 PDT
Someone has finally told the truth about how f*cked up the navy truly is.
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:27 -0400
FTN is correct. I would never have done it again. The Navy caters to a certain kind of
person. One who cannot adapt to civilian life. Thanks
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:07:00 -0500 (EST)
Let me start by saying that I love your website. I located it with a search engine after
watching the most ridiculous 30-minute infomercial that our illustrious Navy produced to
show how awesome the Navy is. I was gagging so bad that I had to turn it off. FTN is
right. They totally screwed me. They promised me an A-school and then took it away from
me. They sent me to the fleet as an undesignated seaman and then refused to let me strike
for anything. And that's after having four years of college in engineering and getting a
99 on my ASVAB! I told them that I wanted to go to FC A-school and I started working with
the FCs on my off-time. The career counselor filled out my paperwork right in front of me.
I later learned that the paperwork was thrown away and it never left the ship. They led me
to believe that they were waiting for a response for over 2 years. It was all part of an
elaborate plot by the BMC to keep me in his division and not allow me to do anything other
than BM. I was assaulted by someone who was drunk one night. He nearly choked me to death.
I knew that if I would have tried to defend myself I would have been charged with
assaulting a superior, since he was two pay-grades higher than myself. At Capatain's Mast,
the assailant was completely exhonorated of all charges and the Captain told me that I
deserved what I got. I couldn't believe that this sort of thing could happen in America.
Only in the Navy. I also encountered a great deal of reverse-discrimination by minorities.
I was called a "white piece of sh*t" in my own berthing by an african-american
MS3 that didn't even live in my berthing! Imagine what would have happened if I had gone
to his berthing and called him a "black piece of sh*t". The Navy was always
making sure that minorities were not discriminated against, but they never enforced those
same regulations when a minority used racial slurs against whites. Just another reason to
hate the Navy. FTN!!!!! I've been out now for about three years, and I'm making more money
now than I ever did when I was in. My benefits are much better and I have total personal
freedom. Whenever I hear that someone is considering joining the Navy I strongly
discourage them from doing so. I hate the Navy so much because of what they did to me. I
know there must be a special place in hell for the people that screwed me over, and they
have reservations waiting for them there in the front row. I only wish that our country
wasn't so dependent on the Navy for national defense, so I guess the Navy is a neccessary
evil in order to maintain our military strength in the world. I just wish they didn't have
to treat people like scum in the process. I will continue to tell anyone that is
considering the Navy just how much it sucks and what they can expect if they are ignorant
enough to join after having the facts. Thanks again for your web-site. People like you are
doing a public service.Take care.P.S. On my boat we had two groups of people, the lapel
pins and the paper clips.This is what they stand for:
Lifers
Against
People
Ever
Leaving
Pride
In
Navy
-and-
People
Against
People
Ever
Re-enlisting
Civilian
Life
Is
Precious
And to show the solidarity of those who were not going to re-enlist under any
circumstances, we would wear a paper clip on the brim of our ball caps. The command
eventually found out what the paper clips designated and they went ballistic. But it was
fun while it lasted.
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:08:22 GMT
I'm an ex-nuke in the navy. and I know exactly what your talking about. The navy has
f*cked me at every turn. I was a nuke on te TR for 2 years, when I was taken off for
medical reasons, and placed on limited duty. When my time was up my doc said I was fine,
but the navy took my nec anyway. I hated being a nuke, but I went through all the hell I
should at least be able to get out with this nec that I busted my ass for. I like the
demotivational posters too. I know they were meant as a joke, but a lot of them are true
to how the navy deals with people.
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 04:50:52 EST
Thought you might like this. One of our sonar techs had done his time and
was getting out. Naturally our command wasn't happy about this. On his last
week of terminal leave, he came back on board for a dependent's cruise to
spend one last weekend with his buddies. The command went ballistic. He was
called into the Captain's cabin to explain why he wasn't in uniforn and
shaved. They said that because he came back on board his terminal leave was
automatically revoked. He was then forced back into uniform and put to work.
Since he wasn't properly shaved, he was given eight hours a day of EMI,
chipping paint, for the last week of his enlistment. On his last day our
department head said he hadn't gotten enough accomlished and made him work
for an extra two hours. This man was a great guy. He was a friend to
everyone on board and had never had a discipline problem. Our command had no
reason to do this, they just did it out of sheer sadism. FTN!
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:04:23 -0500
I'm Tom and I am a third class ET, and I too am tired of this shit. From your page I would
assume you were surface, i'm in subs. If you would post it, I included "100 reasons
why McDonalds is better than submarines."
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:29:18 EST
Hi, my name is Kim, and I know first hand that the navy sucks. My husband joined three
years ago and let's just say I was not happy! The navy just suckers people to join with
there bullsh*t lies, the medical blows, the pay blows and most of the families are on food
stamps!! What kind of sh*t is that? I also think there are stupid people that should
be in the navy, I've met more than enough. They just can't think on there own, they need
some dipsh*t to constantly tell them what to do. My husband is getting out in a year and
the only thing they don't lie about is time flies by! Thank God!
The suckered navy wife.
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:49:05 -0800
Well enough said, you saved me. Well the combination of a couple web sites "including
your own" and two friends that were in the Navy before have saved me from what sounds
like to me to be the biggest mistake of my life. I loved your "How to simulate
shipboard life in your own home". It was so funny I printed one copy for my frig and
made others to post on the bulletin board at work. Is there any branch of the service
worth considering or should I keep my day job? Keep up the good work
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:49:25 GMT
Here it is and i should probably be the one with the longest rant on you
site, i was railroaded to mast twice, and went from an E-4, to an E-2, but
on the other hand i would have never met the friends i have, would have
never gotten to circle the world twice, and would have never goten the
expeiences i have had, some of my seastories can set people on their ear. so
my advice to everyone is take what is said on this website with a grain of
salt, and make you own decisions, the navy life ain't for everyone, but
there are some out there that love it, some that stay in cause they are
afraid to get out, some that get suckered by a re-enlistment bonus, and some
who part ways with the navy amicably.
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:13:05 EST
I got to give you site its prop! It speaks the truth about the Navy. You know being a female in the Navy isn't all that easy. Alot of people would say other wise. And being a black female just gives us another strike. I'm not here to wine about equality. It's just the whole canoe club. I have seen may injustices in the Navy to all people of every race, creed, and gender. I get sick of all the anal ass higher ups who act like they are GOD. Half the time the don't even have a freaking clue. If not that they don't even have a spine or balls for that matter. I one day would like to write a book to let the word know exactly how the Navy is. Oh yeah this is in response to the guy that thinks that "minorities get better treatment." Obviously that idiot doesn't have a clue either. He hasn't seen TPU lately. Everyday I pick up individuals from TPU for working party and who's prodominately there. There aren't that many black chiefs or officers. And many blacks decide to get out than to put up with the bullshit of the Navy. Anyway, it's not even about that. It's about the Navy. I have two years left in this joint and I'm out. The other day I had to go off on my LPO. You know there is a way you talk to people. I'm a nice person and he curses me out because I was late for quaters. Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:41:41 PDT Hey Man, I run a F*ck The Navy site of my own, http://sinkthisship.8k.com I want to put up a links page on my site, but for some reason, I can't find any of the other F*ck the Navy pages out there. When I first started my site, I found a whole bunch of them, but now that I want to add a links page, I can't find anyone. Can you give me some addresses? Check out my site, I think it's pretty good, and it's been recently updated. Also, how do you get search engines like yahoo or lycos (where I found you) to register you in their databases? I have applied with all of the major ones, but I never show up when I do a search for F*ck the Navy. All I get from Yahoo is a bunch of gay porn sites. Thanks for the help... Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:21:30 -0500 Life does suck, sometimes. Especially aboard big steel things that float. Sounds like you had a pretty unpleasant time of it. I did too, on occasion- like the time I discovered that my CO (of a recruiting district!), was embezzling funds. The dope managed to steal about 30K in travel funds from my guys, then beat 'em up for not making goal. He was forcibly retired after we blew the whistle on him- but should have gone to Leavenworth. I imagine the Navy didn't want to deal with the scandal. That, in turn, meant he got to write two fitness reports on the guy who turned him in. That hurt. Then there was the time I signed a FITREP that had me ranked as #2 of 17- and discovered when I got back from deployment that the FITREP submitted to the promotion board was a bit different- #17 of 17, declining performance. The admin officer, in the meantime, retired- and I was unceremoniously tossed out of the Navy. Year before last, I retired from the reserves as a squadron department head. A month after I retired, the Navy promoted me... typical. I rolled my eyes and figured it was their last shot. Or 'way back, long ago, in AOCS (Aviation Officers' Candidate School) where the washout rate was about 50%- and my marine DI, Sergeant Farley, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS! discovered that he had a former enlisted man amongst his "candied dates". Not only that, but I was Air Force enlisted, and a smart mouthed, stubborn bastard. I spent the next ten weeks on my face, doing pushups, squat thrusts, whatever. Got real strong. Mark Farley had lots of fun giving me a hard time, giving his slightly twisted marine sense of humor (ever meet a marine without one?)free reign. Especially on the day he handed me a "Good Housekeeping" magazine during mail call (it was my wife's', but who cared?). I was tired by the end of that day. But it was funny, too. Call me a masochist- if I had it to do again, I'd sign up. I traveled throughout the US, visited 26 other nations, and got to do stuff I'll never have the chance to try again. I even feel that I've done some worthwhile things. I read histories now and understand more about the small part I played in some of them. World events are real to me. I met some terrific people, and learned to deal with those who weren't. I learned some important lessons too- for example, sticking up for what's right, even when it hurts, allows you shave the next morning without cutting yourself. Hey, it truly was an adventure; and nobody ever said adventures were comfortable. Sure, the Navy sucks- but so does any huge organization. Life as a civilian is more comfortable, and pays better- but it's more boring, too. Even when you have a job you like. C'mon, admit it. Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:35:59 EDT I strongly agree with your web page. I also suffered the horrors of the navy. I always try and redirect anyone who is headed that way. I forgive them, however they do try and make your life a living hell. The moneys absolutely pathetic, along with the doctors and opportunity for advancement. I to was denied an A school they made it impossible. I could tell you so much more, but we know. BEHIND YOU ALL THE WAY !!! I feel sorry for the people stuck in that prison. Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:21:52 EDT
You know, I came into the navy and became every captn's wet dream. After awhile the "fleet" showed its true colors. And along with it my attitude changed. I still did my job, I just didn't like it, nor pretend too. For a year I watched people in my division show up for work drunk, late, go UA, participate in fraternization, adultry, and several other violations. I did this along side my LPO, chief, and division officer. I missed ONE duty section muster that wasn't even scheduled and went to mast. The greatest thing about my story is the 20 plus witnesses I have! The navy doesn't take care of their own, they take care of the ones they like. To be one they like, you must at least pretend to like them. And eat EVERY plate of shit they hand down with a smile. Also, you better adhere to their instructions and let them decide when rules can be bent. Even if it compromises safety. I could go on for weeks but I'm tired.
Hey. It sounds to me like you are just a pussy who couldn't handle the Navy. I am 15 and plan on attending the US Naval Academy. My dad, grandpa, and uncle were all in the Navy, seeing combat. I think you just got fucked over 1 time and never got over it. Take some damn ritalin or something. Goodbye pussy. Josh - Future Ensign - Joshhw23@aol.com
Hi, I have been a fan of your website for along time. I have created my own Navy awareness page. It was up under a different name a few years ago but now its called www.militaryshame.com I hope you check it out. Thanks CDRFTN ftn@militaryshame.com
I'm a nuke-ET on a sub. I found your site while me and a few equally disgruntled friends were hanging out having a few beers, and I'd like to say that it is one of the funniest pages I've seen. I have to honestly say that I don't dislike my job and I'm still single so going to sea isn't so bad, it actually helps me save a few dollars. BUT!! I have a long list of things I hate which includes; having to say sir to someone the same age as me, fielday, local tagout instructions created because someone fucked up, chives who stayed in because they have no life and are afraid of the real world, APD's, ORCE work-up, and never ending quals, the TR, the COB, the ENG, the CHOP. In closing I don't regret joining the Navy, but I happily look forward to being the "SNOB" and not looking back afterwards. Shortest Nuke On the Boat