2. Marguerite PAPIN, (1781-1808);
married Philippe Leduc,
(son of Gilles Le Duc, son of Jale Le Duc & Marie Humeler)
Marguerite & Philippe were married in St.Louis Mo. in 1802,
and they had a daughter, Zoe (1807-1823), died unmarried at 16.

3. Alexandre PAPIN, (1783-1849); married Julie Brazeau (daughter of Louis, grand-daughter of Joseph Brazeau who died March 13 1793 at Kaskasia and his Canadian widow brought the childre, Louis, Joseph and Francoise to St.Louis .
Her aunt, Francoise Brazeau, married Jean Bte Chauvin.

5. Marie-Louise PAPIN , baptized June 5 1786.

6. Hyppolite Leber PAPIN , baptized 1788; married Josephine Loysel, sister of Clementine Loisel who married his brother Sylvestre; they were the daughters of Registre Loisel, born in Canada (son of Registre and Manette Massin from l'Assomption, Lower Canada) who went to St.Louis in 1800 and married Helene Taillon CHAUVIN
Hyppolite and Josephine had nine children:
Their eldest daughter Louise-Anne, baptized in 1817,
married in 1837 Eugène-Charles Dupré, St Louis Mo and their children were Alphonse and Mimi.
Eugene Papin married Mary Booth and had four children: William, Fannie, Joseph, Eugene
Hypolite and Josephine's most productive offsprings were:
Their son Pierre Millicour Papin who married Marie de Moulins and had ten children
Their son Theodore who married Adeline Vion and had seven children
Zoe Papin who married Edward Tracy and had five children
Emily Papin who married T.C. Waugh and had three sons: James Waugh (who married Felicite Ogle), William Waugh and Robert Waugh (who married Ollie Hanson)
and Josephine Papin who married Robert C. GREER, born in Griggsville, Ill., came to St.Louis and engaged in Real Estate (children: Robert P. Greer went to San Francisco and Edward continued in Real Estate in St.Louis with his Dad)

7. Pélagie, baptized July 4 1790, died 1798.

8. Sophie, born in 1791, baptized in 1795, died April 22 1808.

9. Pierre Millicour, baptized August 4, 1793 died a baby.

10. Sylvestre V.(Chouteau) PAPIN, (1794-1828); married in 1817 to Clementine Loisel, (daughter of Registre, see Hyppolite who married her sister Josephine)
Their daughter Marie-Clementine-Sylvestre-Villeray Papin, born in 1818, married Leopold Carriere in 1838, St Louis. They had two daughters: Clementine Carriere married J Griff Prather (Marguerite Prather, Daniel G.Prather, Louise Prather) and Heloise Carriere married Manning Treadway (Dimple Manning and Clifford Manning)
Sylvestre and Clementine's son, Sylvestre V. Papin, (1820-1870) married Emmeline Scoffield. He died in San Francisco.
Timothy Papin M.D. married three times:
Mary Yardland ( two children: Vilrey, Mary),
Marguerite Brant ( two children: John, Timothy),
Linda Yarnell (four children Lida, Loteel, Henry, Fineste)
Theophile Papin married twice
Julie Heart (two children: Teophile Jr and Julie)
Emily Carlin (two children: Edward and Lucille)

11.Emélie (Chouteau)PAPIN, baptized in 1796; married François Chauvin in 1816.
Emelie & Francois had seven children, four of whom married and had children: Marie, Robert, Lucille, Sophie

12. Pierre DIDIER PAPIN, baptized in 1798; married Catherine Cerré
They had four children who were married:
Armentine Papin married H.T.Narcom (7 children),
Palmire Papin who married J.B. Wilkinson (7 children)
Leon J. Papin who married Medora Daggett (8 children)
Alfred Papin who married Virginia McCord and had four children.

13. Théodore Dartigny PAPIN, born January 11 1799, baptized May 12 1803 married in 1822 Céleste Duchouquet.
Theodore and Celeste had four children: Marie, Adolph Papin who married Marie Mercier and had four children, Henri Papin who married Henriette Wilkinson who had nine children:
Henry, Emily,Louis, George, Celeste Papin, Mary, Harriett, Guy, Rita.
and the last child of Theodore and Celeste was Coralie (no descent). Theodore and Celeste's daughter, Marie Papin, baptized June 15 1823, married twice: once with Gratz Moses, MD, (no children) and she was married to Georges W. Atchison on the 25th of April 1839.
Marie and George had three children: George, Henry and Louise Atchison.
Louise married C.Bent Carr and
they had seven children:
Dorcas Carr who married Ernest Bell
George
C. Bent
Fannie Carr
Marie Carr
Robert Carr
Hazel Carr

1650-1800:
On the families of: Atchison,Baronet, Besnard, Bourgjoly, Bourgeoys, Brazeau, Carignan, Carrière, Cerré, Chaperon, Chauvin, Chouteau, Deaver, de Maisonneuve, Duchouquet,Dupré,Guèvremont, Guichard, Haye, Jetté, Lafayette, Lagneau,Larkin, LaSonde Lavignon, Leduc, Loisel, Loysel, Masure, Papin, Pare, Pelletier,Pépin, Racette, Vasquez, Villeray.
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There were three Joseph Papin: father, son and grandson established in the city of St.Louis (Ste-Genevieve) from 1740 to 1800....

Between the years 1740 to 1800, when St-Louis, on the Mississippi, was still a French settlement of "la Nouvelle-France" (New-France), many French Canadians from Quebec chose to emigrate to this city rather than swear allegiance to England.

The personal story of some of them can thrill our hearts. Our traumas and beliefs are often the same as theirs were; who does not identify with Evangeline, a true story which Longfellow immortalized, undauntingly searching the continent for the one she loved? Is not her courage also ours?

Nowadays, many search for their roots in the past. Though I believe that, in the end, we are all close family, I also spend some of my time in this pursuit. A little further, I have a query for anyone who might have an answer for it.

Marie-Louise Chouteau, born in St-Louis (1764), daughter of Rene-Auguste Chouteau (1723-1776) and Marie-Therese Bourgeoys sister of (Rene) Auguste Chouteau (1749-1829), one of the Founders of St.Louis, who married in 1779 to Joseph-Marie(2) Papin born in 1741. She had a courageous mother Marie-Therese Bourgeoys, who braved the elements by coming on a raft, pregnant with this last child of hers (Marie-Louise) all the way from New-Orleans. At the end of this article is the list of the names of the thirteen children of Joseph-Marie Papin and Marie-Louise Chouteau, but first we will look at the 5-6 previous generations of Papin, since their arrival in New-France in 1653, almost a centurey before Joseph-Marie Papin was born.

Joseph-Marie(2) Papin (baptized in Montreal on November 10, 1741) was the son of Joseph(1) Papin (born in Montreal around 1713)and Marguerite Pépin, who was from Sainte-Genevieve (near the place where St.Louis was going to be built in 1763); they were married in 1740 and lived in the vicinity of St.Louis, which was not as yet existant.

Before we start with the family Chouteau-Papin, and because we are talking more specifically about St.Louis, MO, there is an interesting fact which shows that Joseph(1) had a niece living in Saint Louis: Marie-Julie Baronet-Papin, baptized in Montreal on September 4, 1754 who married Benoit Vasquez ( from St Louis Mo.) in 1774. She was the 13th/out of 16 children of Pierre Papin, dit Baronet, born in 1709 and married in 1737 to Catherine Guichard (daughter of Jean Guichard, dit La Sonde).

Pierre was the 5th child, and Joseph(1) was the 6th child of Gilles Papin [Gilles was baptized on March 4 1669 in Mtl, son of Pierre Papin (b.1631 in La Fleche, France) and Anne Pelletier (daughter of Mathurin Pelletier et Catherine Lagneau, both living c. 1600 in St-Pierre de Dreux, in France)] and his first wife Marie-Francoise Chaperon, daughter of Pierre Chaperon of Rouen, France, and Noelle Guèvremont from St-Denis, Evêché de Paris ( both born c. 1645) .

PIERRE PAPIN'S STORY - Arrival in CANADA in 1653 - Pierre Papin (b.1631) was the son of Francois Papin & Michelle Lagneau, both living at St-Nicolas-du-Sable, Maine, La Fleche, France. At the age of 22, in 1653, he was accepted as one of the "recrue de cent hommes pour l'oeuvre de Ville-Marie", namely as one of the 100 men chosen to colonize Ville-Marie. ( the Founding of Montreal) .

He was on the same ship and was known by both M. de Maisonneuve, the founder of Montreal, & Marguerite Bourgeoys who was the founder of the Congregation Notre-Dame and who also created the "Couvent des Soeurs de la Congrégation Notre-Dame", the school for girls. For over three generations the demoiselles Papin would be given preferential treatment if attending any of the C.N.D. schools ( in Montreal, Boucherville, Pointe-aux-Trembles) , because of the directives left by Marguerite Bourgeoys on their behalf. It was a "gage" (measure) of her respect for Pierre Papin.

In 1653, on the ship, the Notary Belliotte "assermented" Pierre and he received 107£ as payment for his future services to the colony.

In 1655, M. de Maisonneuve, in the name of the "Compagnie Notre-Dame de Montreal", gave him land near "la Pointe-aux-Trembles" (in Montreal). In 1665, twelve years after his arrival, he married Anne Pelletier, 19 years old, and they had 8 surviving children, but after their Mother died in December 1686, four died before reaching their teens. Marie-Anne, the eldest of these (14 yrs old), drowned while swimming in June 1687. The smaller kids died the next year. Pierre's eldest son, also named Pierre(24 yrs old), was killed in a combat against the English on October 2nd 1690. His daughter Suzanne passed away at 9 years of age in December 1993, seven years, almost to the day, after her Mother. By then Pierre had only 3 children left from his previous 8:

- Gilles (b.1669)
- Elisabeth, b.1671, dame Charles Dumay ( DeMetz)
- Francois (1676)

For Gilles Papin, the second son, the tragedy of losing his Mother, at 17, and later his siblings must have had an impact on his future choices. For one thing we know that when he was left with six children, widowed from Marie-Francoise Chaperon, he was re-married within two years, in 1715, to Marie-Josephe Besnard, and this second wife gave him another 9 children which were ill-fated also.(see further down)

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Just to be clear, here is a ladder following the Papin line:

1. Francois Papin (b. c.1600) & Michelle Lagneau ( La Flèche, France)

2. Pierre Papin (b.1631) & Anne Pelletier (Montreal, PQ)

3. Gilles Papin (b.1669) & 1st wife: Marie-Francoise Chaperon (Montreal, PQ)

4. Joseph(1) Papin (c.1713) & Marguerite Pepin (St Louis,MO)

5. Joseph-Marie(2)Papin (b.1741) & Marie-Louise Chouteau (St Louis, MO)

6. Théodore Papin (b.1799) & Céleste Duchouquet (St Louis, MO)

7. Marie Papin (b.1823) & Georges W. Atchison (St. Louis, MO)

A ladder showing the parents of the wife of Pierre:

1. Mathurin Pelletier (b.c.1620) & Catherine Lagneau (St-Pierre de Dreux, France)

2. Anne Pelletier (b.1646) & Pierre Papin (Montreal, PQ)

3. Gilles Papin (b.1669) & 1st wife: Marie-Francoise Chaperon (Montreal, PQ)

4. Joseph(1) Papin (c.1713) & Marguerite Pépin (St Louis,MO)

5. Joseph-Marie(2)Papin (b.1741) & Marie-Louise Chouteau (St Louis, MO)

6. Hyppolite Papin (b.1788) & Joséphine Loysel (St Louis, MO)

7. Louise-Anne Papin (b.1817) & Eugène-Charles Dupré (St Louis, MO)

Ladder showing the parents of the 1st wife of Gilles:

1. Pierre Chaperon (b. c.1645) & Noelle Guevremont (Paris, France)

2. Marie-Francoise Chaperon & Gilles Papin (Montreal, PQ)

3. Joseph(1) Papin (c.1713) & Marguerite Pépin (St Louis,MO)

4. Joseph-Marie(2)Papin (b.1741) & Marie-Louise Chouteau (St Louis, MO)

5. Sylvestre Papin (b.1794) & Clémentine Loisel (St Louis, MO)

6. Clémentine S.Villeray Papin (b.1818) & Léopold Carrière (St. Louis, MO)

Ladder showing the parents of the 2nd wife of Gilles:

1. Monsieur LaFayette, tue par les Iroquois en 1695( France)

2. Marguerite Haye ou LaFayette & Joseph Besnard-Carignan, sieur de Lavignon & Bourgjoly (Mtl, PQ)

3. Gilles Papin (b.1669) & 2nd wife: Marie-Josephe Besnard (Montreal, PQ)

4. Joseph a.k.a. Orphée Papin (b.1730) & Thérèse Paré (Montreal, PQ)

5. Louis-Basile Papin (b.1765) & Marie-Louise Jetté (Montreal, PQ)

6. Basile Papin (b.1786) & 1st wife: Marie-Josephte Pichon-Toulouse (Montreal, PQ)

7. Justine Papin (b.1818) & Jos.-Nicaise Lemire-Marsolet (L'Assomption,PQ)

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UPDATE: There was a descendant of one of the five children (see below) who has given me reliable info on three of the missing children, who had been their Grand-parents and relative, established in Quebec. I'll get back to it for you some time soon. Danielle

What was the fate of the 5 Papin children
born to Gilles Papin & Marie-Josephe Besnard,
in Montreal from 1717 to 1726 ?

They were half-brothers and half-sisters to Joseph(1) Papin (born c.1713).

As I said before, one must remember History: these were the mixed years 1759-1765 when so many people fled Canada, their homeland, rather than swear allegiance to England.

Many went to the West Indies (Martinique, Guadeloupe), others went back to France where they still had family ties and property, and many simply came to St. Louis, for it was French (until the turn of that century), as they might have family or friends here and it was not as far from their previous beloved homeland.

These missing ones were 5 of the 9 children of Gilles Papin (see above, b.1669) and his second wife, Marie-Josephe Besnard. This lady was daughter of a hero, Joseph Besnard-Carignan, sieur de Lavignon et sieur de Bourgjoly, and Marguerite Haye ou Lafayette whose father came from Clermont en Auvergne, in France, and died in 1695 "tué par les Iroquois" (in a Mohawk attack).

These missing children were:

Jean-Baptiste Papin, baptized June 24, 1717

Veronique Papin, baptized December 23, 1718

Francois Papin, baptized January 16, 1720

Marie-Anne Papin, baptized May 22, 1723

Ambroise Papin, baptized December 2, 1726

My query: "does anyone know what factually happened to any of them?" had one answer from a descendant Quebec reader who says that Veronique and Francois stayed in Quebec. Thanks for any in-put, and please sign my New Genealogy guest book on the PAPIN CHOUTEAU LACLEDE if you have enjoyed or are interested in this story. Danielle

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For your readers' pleasure, again, the list of the 13 children of
Joseph-Marie(2)Papin and Marie-Louise Chouteau:

1. Joseph(3), born January 23 1780 and baptized July 2 1780

2. Marguerite, baptized 1781;(dame Philippe Leduc)

3. Alexandre, baptized 1783; married to Julie Brazeau. 4. Marie-Thérèse, baptized May 16, 1784

5. Marie-Louise, baptized June 5 1786.

6. Hyppolite, baptized 1788; married to Josephine Loysel

7. Pélagie, baptized July 4 1790

8. Sophie, born in 1791, baptized in 1795

9. Pierre, baptized August 4, 1793

10. Sylvestre, born in 1794; married to Clementine Loisel.

11. Emélie, baptized in 1796; married François Chauvin

12. Didier, baptized in 1798; married Catherine Cerré

13. Théodore, born January 11 1799, married Céleste Duchouquet.

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I would welcome your genealogical in-put, whether in general, or on your early family ,to include any pertinent fact here. :)

We are part of our ancestors, as they are part of us.

LINKS to other related site:

Marie-Therese Chouteau's Story

DISCOVERY SCHOOL Grade 4 -5 PROJECT at Discovery School of the University of Missouri-Columbia and Southeast Missouri State: Rene Auguste Chouteau

p> You can see a site on the Chouteau-Laclede at Bend of the River Chouteau website

An interesting story on the Chouteau's Empire by SHIRL KASPER a Bend of the River Staff Writer, in two parts: http://www.kcstar.com/millennium/stories/main.html and http://www.kcstar.com/millennium/stories/main2.htm

The story of St.Louis,
GATEWAY TO THE WEST

Mrs York's GRADE 4 Project by the YORKIES: FRENCH EXPLORERS

LOLO CHOUTEAU, born in 1849, a son of Frederick and Matilda Chouteau, grandson of Pierre Chouteau of St.Louis. Lolo's Mother was of Shawnee extraction and died when he was an infant. LOLO had two brothers: Fred, who is an artist living in Kansas City; and Peter, a resident of Oakland, California.

Illustration: Marie Therese Bourgeois Chouteau (Mme. Rene Auguste Chouteau). Oil on wood attributed to Francois M. Guyol de Guiran. Acc. #1950.84.2. Courtesy Missouri Historical Society

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