* * * *
Q: What, if anything, did Monica Lewinsky say in response?
WJC: Nothing that I remember. Whatever she said, I don't
remember. Probably just some predictable thing.(202)
2. Evidence that Contradicts the President's Civil
Deposition Testimony
(i) Ms. Lewinsky's Testimony
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she spoke three times to
President Clinton about the prospect of testifying in the Jones
lawsuit -- once (December 17, 1997) after she was on the witness
list and twice more (December 28, 1997, and January 5, 1998)
after she had been subpoenaed.
a. December 17, 1997, Call. Ms. Lewinsky testified that
President Clinton called her at about 2:00 a.m. on December 17,
1997. First, he told her that Ms. Currie's brother had died;
then he told Ms. Lewinsky that she was on the witness list in the
Jones case. According to Ms. Lewinsky, "[h]e told me that it
didn't necessarily mean that I would be subpoenaed, but that that
was a possibility, and if I were to be subpoenaed, that I should
contact Betty and let Betty know that I had received the
subpoena."(203) Ms. Lewinsky said that the President told her that
she might be able to sign an affidavit to avoid being deposed.(204)
According to Ms. Lewinsky, the President also told her, "You
know, you can always say you were coming to see Betty or that you
were bringing me letters."(205) Ms. Lewinsky took that statement to
be a reminder of the false "cover stories" that they had used
earlier in the relationship.(206)
b. December 28, 1997, Visit. Ms. Lewinsky was subpoenaed
on December 19. At her request, Vernon Jordan told the President
that Ms. Lewinsky had been subpoenaed.(207) She then met with
President Clinton nine days later on December 28, less than three
weeks before the President was deposed.
According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the President discussed
the Jones lawsuit and how the Jones lawyers might have learned
about her. Ms. Lewinsky said they also discussed the subpoena's
requirement that she produce gifts she had received from the
President, including specifically a "hat pin."(208)
Because of their mutual concern about the subpoena,
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she asked the President if she should
put the gifts away somewhere.(209) The President responded "I don't
know" or "Hmm" or "Let me think about it."(210) Later that day,
according to Ms. Lewinsky, Ms. Currie called to pick up the
gifts, which she then stored under her bed in her home in
Virginia.(211) (This issue will be discussed more fully in Ground V
below.)
c. January 5, 1998, Call. Ms. Lewinsky also testified that
she spoke to the President by telephone on January 5, 1998, and
they continued to discuss her role in the Jones case. Ms.
Lewinsky expressed concern that, if she were deposed, she might
have a difficult time explaining the circumstances of her
transfer from the White House to the Pentagon. According to
Ms. Lewinsky, the President suggested that she answer by
explaining that people in the White House Legislative Affairs
office had helped her get the Pentagon job -- which Ms. Lewinsky
understood to be a misleading answer because she in fact had been
transferred as a result of her being around the Oval Office too
much.(212)
(ii) The President's Grand Jury Testimony
When the President testified to the grand jury, the
President admitted that Ms. Lewinsky visited him on December 28,
1997,(214) and that during that visit, they discussed her
involvement in the Jones case:
WJC: . . . I remember a conversation about the
possibility of her testifying. I believe it must
have occurred on the 28th.
She mentioned to me that she did not want to
testify. So, that's how it came up. Not in the
context of, I heard you have a subpoena, let's
talk about it.
She raised the issue with me in the context
of her desire to avoid testifying, which I
certainly understood; not only because there were
some embarrassing facts about our relationship
that were inappropriate, but also because a whole
lot of innocent people were being traumatized and
dragged through the mud by these Jones lawyers
with their dragnet strategy. . . .(215)
* * * *
Q: . . . Do you agree that she was upset about being
subpoenaed?
WJC: Oh, yes, sir, she was upset. She -- well, she--
we -- she didn't -- we didn't talk about a
subpoena. But she was upset. She said, I don't
want to testify; I know nothing about this; I
certainly know nothing about sexual harassment;
why do they want me to testify. And I explained
to her why they were doing this, and why all these
women were on these lists, people that they knew
good and well had nothing to do with any sexual
harassment.(216)
3. Summary
There is substantial and credible information that President
Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition in answering "I'm
not sure" when asked whether he had talked to Ms. Lewinsky about
the prospect of her testifying. In fact, he had talked to
Ms. Lewinsky about it on three occasions in the month preceding
his civil deposition, as Ms. Lewinsky's testimony makes clear.
The President's motive to lie in his civil deposition on
this point is evident. Had he admitted talking to Ms. Lewinsky
about the possibility that she might be asked to testify, that
would have raised the specter of witness tampering. Such an
admission likely would have led Ms. Jones's attorneys to inquire
further into that subject with both the President and
Ms. Lewinsky. Furthermore, had the President admitted talking to
Ms. Lewinsky about her testifying, that conversation would have
attracted public inquiry into the conversation and the general
relationship between the President and Ms. Lewinsky.
B. There is substantial and credible information that President
Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition when he
denied knowing that Ms. Lewinsky had received her subpoena
at the time he had last talked to her.
1. Evidence
In his civil deposition, President Clinton testified that
the last time he had spoken to Ms. Lewinsky was in December 1997
(the month before the deposition), "[p]robably sometime before
Christmas."(217) The President was asked:
Q: Did [Ms. Lewinsky] tell you she had been served with a
subpoena in this case?
WJC: No. I don't know if she had been.(218)
Vernon Jordan testified that he had told the President about
the subpoena on December 19, 1997, after he had talked to
Ms. Lewinsky. Ms. Lewinsky confirmed that Mr. Jordan had told
her on December 22, 1997, that he (Mr. Jordan) had told the
President of her subpoena.(219)
When he testified to the grand jury, the President stated
that in his conversation with Ms. Lewinsky on December 28, 1997,
"my recollection is I knew by then, of course, that she had
gotten a subpoena. And I knew that she was, therefore, . . .
slated to testify."(220)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she and the President had two
conversations after she was subpoenaed: the December 28, 1997,
meeting and a January 5, 1998, phone conversation.(221)
2. Summary
There is substantial and credible information that the
President lied under oath in his civil deposition by answering "I
don't know if she had been" subpoenaed when describing his last
conversation with Ms. Lewinsky. In fact, he knew that she had
been subpoenaed. Given that the conversation with Ms. Lewinsky
occurred in the few weeks immediately before the President's
civil deposition, he could not have forgotten the conversation.
As a result, there is no plausible conclusion except that the
President intentionally lied in this answer.
During the civil deposition, the President also falsely
dated his last conversation with Ms. Lewinsky as "probably
sometime before Christmas," which implied that it might have been
before the December 19 subpoena. Because Ms. Lewinsky had been
subpoenaed on December 19, that false statement about the date of
the conversation was a corollary to his other false statement
(that he did not know she had been subpoenaed at the time of
their last conversation).
The President's motive to lie in his civil deposition on the
subpoena issue is evident. Had he admitted talking to
Ms. Lewinsky after her subpoena, that would have raised the
specter of witness tampering, which could have triggered legal
and public scrutiny of the President.
V. There is substantial and credible information that President
Clinton endeavored to obstruct justice by engaging in a
pattern of activity to conceal evidence regarding his
relationship with Monica Lewinsky from the judicial process
in the Jones case. The pattern included:
(i) concealment of gifts that the President had
given Ms. Lewinsky and that were subpoenaed
from Ms. Lewinsky in the Jones case; and
(ii) concealment of a note sent by Ms. Lewinsky to
the President on January 5, 1998.
From the beginning, President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky
hoped and expected that their relationship would remain secret.
They took active steps, when necessary, to conceal the
relationship. The President testified that "I hoped that this
relationship would never become public."(222)
Once the discovery process in the Jones case became an issue
(particularly after the Supreme Court's unanimous decision on May
27, 1997, that ordered the case to go forward), their continuing
efforts to conceal the relationship took on added legal
significance. The risks to the President of disclosure of the
relationship dramatically increased.
An effort to obstruct justice by withholding the truth from
the legal process -- whether by lying under oath, concealing
documents, or improperly influencing a witness's testimony -- is
a federal crime.(223) There is substantial and credible information
that President Clinton engaged in such efforts to prevent the
truth of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky from being
revealed in the Jones case.
A. Concealment of Gifts
1. Evidence Regarding Gifts
Ms. Lewinsky testified that in the early morning of December
17, at roughly 2:00 or 2:30 a.m., she received a call from the
President.(224) Among other subjects, the President mentioned that
he had Christmas presents for her.(225)
On December 19, 1997, Monica Lewinsky was served with a
subpoena in connection with the Jones v. Clinton litigation. The
subpoena required her to testify at a deposition on January 23,
1998.(226) The subpoena also required Ms. Lewinsky to produce "each
and every gift including, but not limited to, any and all
dresses, accessories, and jewelry, and/or hat pins given to you
by, or on behalf of, Defendant Clinton."(227) After being served
with the subpoena, Ms. Lewinsky became concerned because the list
of gifts included the hat pin, which "screamed out at me because
that was the first gift that the President had given me."(228)
Later that same day, December 19, 1997, Ms. Lewinsky met
with Vernon Jordan and told him of her concern about the gifts,
including the hat pin.(229) During that meeting, Ms. Lewinsky asked
Mr. Jordan to inform the President that she had been
subpoenaed.(230) Mr. Jordan acknowledged that Ms. Lewinsky "was
concerned about the subpoena and I think for her the subpoena
ipso facto meant trouble."(231)
Shortly after Christmas, Ms. Lewinsky called Ms. Currie and
said that the President had mentioned that he had presents for
her.(232) Ms. Currie called back and told her to come to the White
House at 8:30 a.m. on Sunday, December 28, 1997.(233) On December
28, Ms. Lewinsky and the President met in the Oval Office.
According to her testimony, Ms. Lewinsky "mentioned that [she]
had been concerned about the hat pin being on the subpoena and he
said that that had sort of concerned him also and asked [her] if
[she] had told anyone that he had given [her] this hat pin and
[she] said no."(234) According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the
President discussed the possibility of moving some of the gifts
out of her possession:
[A]t some point I said to him, "Well, you know, should
I -- maybe I should put the gifts away outside my house
somewhere or give them to someone, maybe Betty." And
he sort of said -- I think he responded, "I don't know"
or "Let me think about that." And [we] left that
topic.(235)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she was never under the impression
from anything the President said that she should turn over to Ms.
Jones's attorneys all the gifts that he had given her.(236)
On the 28th, the President also gave Ms. Lewinsky several
Christmas gifts. When asked why the President gave her more
gifts on December 28 when he understood she was under an
obligation to produce gifts in response to the subpoena,
Ms. Lewinsky stated:
You know, I can't answer what [the President] was
thinking, but to me, it was -- there was never a
question in my mind and I -- from everything he said to
me, I never questioned him, that we were never going to
do anything but keep this private, so that meant deny
it and that meant do -- take whatever appropriate steps
needed to be taken, you know, for that to happen
. . . . So by turning over all these gifts, it would
at least prompt [the Jones attorneys] to want to
question me about what kind of friendship I had with
the President and they would want to speculate and
they'd leak it and my name would be trashed and he [the
President] would be in trouble.(237)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that a few hours after their meeting
on December 28, 1997, Ms. Currie called her.(238) According to
Ms. Lewinsky, Ms. Currie said: "'I understand you have something
to give me.' Or, 'The President said you have something to give
me' -- [Something] [a]long those lines."(239) In her February 1
handwritten statement to the OIC, which Ms. Lewinsky has
testified was truthful, she stated: "Ms. Currie called Ms. L
later that afternoon a[nd] said that the Pres. had told her
[that] Ms. L wanted her to hold onto something for her. Ms. L
boxed up most of the gifts she had received and gave them to
Ms. Currie."(240)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she understood that Ms. Currie
was referring to gifts from the President when she mentioned
"something for me."(241) Ms. Lewinsky testified that she was not
surprised to receive the call, given her earlier discussion with
the President.(242)
Ms. Currie testified that Ms. Lewinsky, not Ms. Currie,
placed the call and raised the subject of transferring the gifts.
In Ms. Currie's account, Ms. Lewinsky said that she
(Ms. Lewinsky) was uncomfortable retaining the gifts herself
because "people were asking questions about the stuff she had
gotten."(243) Ms. Currie also testified that she did not remember
the President telling her that Ms. Lewinsky wanted her to hold
some items, and she did not remember later telling the President
that she was holding the gifts for Ms. Lewinsky.(244) When asked if
a contrary statement by Ms. Lewinsky -- indicating that
Ms. Currie had in fact spoken to the President about the gift
transfer -- would be false, Ms. Currie replied: "Then she may
remember better than I. I don't remember."(245)
According to both Ms. Currie and Ms. Lewinsky, Ms. Currie
drove to Ms. Lewinsky's home later on December 28 for only the
second time in her life.(246) Ms. Lewinsky gave her a sealed box
that contained several gifts Ms. Lewinsky had received from the
President, including the hat pin and one of the gifts he had
given her that very morning.(247) Ms. Lewinsky wrote "Please do not
throw away" on the box.(248) Ms. Currie then took the box and
placed it in her home under her bed. Ms. Currie understood that
the box contained gifts from the President, although she did not
know the specific contents.(249) Ms. Lewinsky said that Ms. Currie
did not seem at all confused when Ms. Lewinsky handed over the
box of gifts(250) and never asked about the contents.(251)
When Ms. Currie later produced the box to the OIC in
response to a subpoena, the box contained a hat pin, two
brooches, an inscribed official copy of the 1996 State of the
Union Address, a photograph of the President in the Oval Office,
an inscribed photograph of the President and Ms. Lewinsky, a sun
dress, two t-shirts, and a baseball cap with a Black Dog logo.(252)
2. The President's Grand Jury Testimony
President Clinton testified that he had spoken to
Ms. Lewinsky about gifts he had given her, but said the
conversation may have occurred before she received the subpoena
on December 19. He testified:
I did have a conversation with Ms. Lewinsky at some
time about gifts, the gifts I'd given her. I do not
know whether it occurred on the 28th, or whether it
occurred earlier. I do not know whether it occurred in
person or whether it occurred on the telephone. I have
searched my memory for this, because I know it's an
important issue. . . . The reason I'm not sure it
happened on the 28th is that my recollection is that
Ms. Lewinsky said something to me like, what if they
ask me about the gifts you've given me. That's the
memory I have. That's why I question whether it
happened on the 28th, because she had a subpoena with
her, request for production. And I told her that if
they asked her for gifts, she'd have to give them
whatever she had, that that's what the law was.(253)
The President denied that he had asked Betty Currie to pick
up a box of gifts from Ms. Lewinsky:
Q: After you gave her the gifts on December 28th
[1997], did you speak with your secretary,
Ms. Currie, and ask her to pick up a box of gifts
that were some compilation of gifts that
Ms. Lewinsky would have --
WJC: No, sir, I didn't do that.
Q: -- to give to Ms. Currie?
WJC: I did not do that.(254)
* * * *
Q: [D]id you ever have a conversation with Betty
Currie about gifts, or picking something up from
Monica Lewinsky?
WJC: I don't believe I did, sir. No.
Q: You never told her anything to this effect, that
Monica has something to give you?
WJC: No, sir.(255)
3. Summary of Gifts
The uncontroverted evidence demonstrates that the President
had given gifts to Ms. Lewinsky before December 28, 1997; that
the President told Ms. Lewinsky on the phone on December 17,
1997, that he had more gifts for her; that Ms. Lewinsky met with
the President at the White House on December 28; that on the
28th, Ms. Lewinsky was concerned about retaining possession of
the gifts the President had previously given her because they
were under subpoena; that on the 28th, the President gave several
Christmas gifts to Ms. Lewinsky; and that after that meeting,
Ms. Lewinsky transferred some gifts (including one of the new
gifts) to the President's personal secretary, Ms. Currie, who
stored them under her bed in her home.
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she spoke to the President on
December 28 about the gifts called for by the subpoena -- in
particular, the hat pin. The President agreed that they talked
about gifts, but suggested that the conversation might have taken
place before Ms. Lewinsky was subpoenaed on December 19. The
President said, however, that his memory is unclear on the
timing.(256)
The testimony conflicts as to what happened when
Ms. Lewinsky raised the subject of gifts with the President and
what happened later that day. The President testified that he
told Ms. Lewinsky that "you have to give them whatever you
have."(257) According to Ms. Lewinsky, she raised the possibility
of hiding the gifts, and the President offered a somewhat neutral
response.
Ms. Lewinsky testified that Betty Currie called her to
retrieve the gifts soon after Ms. Lewinsky's conversation with
the President. Ms. Currie says that she believes that
Ms. Lewinsky called her about the gifts, but she says she has a
dim memory of the events.(258)
The central factual question is whether the President
orchestrated or approved the concealment of the gifts. The
reasonable inference from the evidence is that he did.
1. The witnesses disagree about whether Ms. Currie called
Ms. Lewinsky or Ms. Lewinsky called Ms. Currie. That issue is
relevant because Ms. Currie would not have called Ms. Lewinsky
about the gifts unless the President directed her to do so.
Indeed, because she did not know of the gifts issue, there is no
other way that Ms. Currie could have known to make such a call
unless the President told her to do so.
Ms. Lewinsky's testimony on the issue is consistent and
unequivocal. In her February 1, 1998, handwritten statement, she
wrote: "Ms. Currie called Ms. L later that afternoon a[nd] said
that the Pres. had told her Ms. L wanted her to hold onto
something for her."(259) In her grand jury testimony, Ms. Lewinsky
said that several hours after she left the White House,
Ms. Currie called and said something along the lines of "The
President said you have something to give me."(260)
Ms. Currie's testimony is contrary but less clear.
Ms. Currie has stated that Ms. Lewinsky called her, but her
memory of the conversation, in contrast to Ms. Lewinsky's,
generally has been hazy and uncertain. As to whether she had
talked to the President about the gifts, for example, Ms. Currie
initially said she had not, but then said that Ms. Lewinsky (who
said that Ms. Currie had talked to the President) "may remember
better than I. I don't remember."(261)
Ms. Lewinsky's testimony makes more sense than Ms. Currie's
testimony. First, Ms. Lewinsky stated that if Ms. Currie had not
called, Ms. Lewinsky simply would have kept the gifts (and
perhaps thrown them away).(262) She would not have produced the
gifts to Ms. Jones's attorneys. And she would not have given
them to a friend or mother because she did not want to get anyone
else involved.(263) She was not looking for someone else to take
them.(264)
Also, Ms. Currie drove to Ms. Lewinsky's house to pick up
the gifts. That was only the second time that Ms. Currie had
ever gone there.(265) More generally, the person making the extra
effort (in this case, Ms. Currie) is ordinarily the person
requesting the favor.
2. Even if Ms. Lewinsky is mistaken and she did call
Ms. Currie first, the evidence still leads clearly to the
conclusion that the President orchestrated this transfer.
First, it is unlikely that Ms. Lewinsky would have involved
Ms. Currie in this matter unless the President had indicated his
assent when Ms. Lewinsky raised the issue with him earlier in the
day. Indeed, there is a logical flaw in the President's story:
If the President had truly suggested that Ms. Lewinsky produce
the gifts to Ms. Jones's attorneys, Ms. Lewinsky obviously would
not have turned around and called the President's personal
secretary to give the gifts to her, in direct contravention of
the President's instruction.
Second, it also is unlikely that Ms. Currie would have
driven to Ms. Lewinsky's home, retrieved the gifts from
Ms. Lewinsky, and stored them under her bed at home without being
asked to do so by the President -- at least, without checking
with him. It would have been out of character for Ms. Currie to
have taken such an action without the President's approval. For
example, when helping Ms. Lewinsky in her job search, Ms. Currie
said that she told the President of her plans and agreed that she
"would not have tried to get Ms. Lewinsky a job if . . . [I]
thought the President didn't want [me] to."(266)
3. Even if the President did not orchestrate the transfer
to Ms. Currie, there is still substantial evidence that he
encouraged the concealment and non-production of the gifts by
Ms. Lewinsky. The President "hoped that this relationship would
never become public."(267) The President gave Ms. Lewinsky new
gifts on December 28, 1997. Given his desire to conceal the
relationship, it makes no sense that the President would have
given Ms. Lewinsky more gifts on the 28th unless he and
Ms. Lewinsky understood that she would not produce all of her
gifts in response to her subpoena.
4. The President had a motive to orchestrate the
concealment of gifts, whether accomplished through Ms. Currie
indirectly or through Ms. Lewinsky directly. The President knew
that Ms. Lewinsky was concerned about the subpoena. Both of them
were concerned that the gifts might raise questions about the
relationship. By confirming that the gifts would not be
produced, the President ensured that these questions would not
arise.
The concealment of the gifts also ensured that the President
could provide false and misleading statements about the gifts
under oath at his deposition (as he did) without being concerned
that Ms. Lewinsky might have produced gifts that the President
was denying (or minimizing the number of). If Ms. Lewinsky had
produced to Ms. Jones's attorneys all of the gifts that she had
given to Ms. Currie, then the President could not plausibly have
said "I don't recall" in response to the question, "[H]ave you
ever given any gifts to Monica Lewinsky?" He could not have
said, "I don't remember a specific gift."(268) Indeed, unless the
President knew that Ms. Lewinsky had not complied with the
subpoena, it is unlikely he would have risked lying about the
number and nature of the gifts he had given her.
In analyzing the evidence on this issue, it also bears
mention that President Clinton likely operated no differently
with respect to the gifts than he did with respect to testimony.
It is clear that he lied under oath and that Ms. Lewinsky filed a
false affidavit after the President suggested she file an
affidavit. So there is little reason that he would not have
attempted to ensure (whether directly or subtly) that
Ms. Lewinsky conceal the gifts as a corollary to their mutual
lies under oath. (Also, it was the President's pattern to use
Ms. Currie as an intermediary in dealing with Ms. Lewinsky.(269))
The President's apparent response to all of this is that
Ms. Lewinsky on her own contacted Ms. Currie and involved her in
this endeavor to hide subpoenaed evidence, and that Ms. Currie
complied without checking with the President. Based on the
testimony and behavior of both Ms. Currie and Ms. Lewinsky, those
inferences fall outside the range of reasonable possibility.
202. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 70-71 (emphasis added).
203. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123; Lewinsky 8/26/98 Depo. at 57-58; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 4.
204. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123-24; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement
at 4 ("When asked what to do if she was subpoenaed, the Pres.
suggested she could sign an affidavit to try to satisfy their
inquiry and not be deposed.").
205. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123 (emphasis added); Lewinsky
2/1/98 Statement at 4 ("In general, Ms. L. should say she visited
the WH to see Ms. Currie and, on occasion when working at the WH,
she brought him letters when no one else was around.").
206. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123-24.
207. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 136, 142, 144-45; Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ
at 133, 135.
208. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 151-52; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 65-66; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 6.
209. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 66.
210. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 66.
See also Lewinsky 8/1/98 Int. at 11 (noting that the President
said something like "I don't know" or "I'll think about it").
211. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 154-59. See also Lewinsky 8/1/98
Int. at 11-12.
213. Although Vernon Jordan is an attorney, he has clearly
stated that "I have never represented William Jefferson Clinton
as an attorney." Jordan GJ, March 3, 1998, at 8. Thus, the
questions that excluded the President's lawyers from their scope
did not exclude Vernon Jordan.
214. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 33.
215. Id. at 36-37 (emphasis added).
216. Id. at 39-40 (emphasis added).
217. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 68.
218. Id. (emphasis added).
219. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 144; Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 138-39.
220. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 36 (emphasis added).
221. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 149-153, 191-192, 195-198;
Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 35-36, 47, 49, 65-66.
222. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 106.
223. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1512, 1621.
224. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 121-26.
225. Id. at 126; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 70.
226. 920-DC-00000013-18.
227. 920-DC-00000018.
228. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 132.
229. Id. at 132.
230. Id. at 133.
231. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 159. Mr. Jordan stated that
Ms. Lewinsky was crying both on the telephone earlier that day
and then again in his office. Id. at 149-150.
232. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 149.
233. Id. at 149.
234. Id. at 152. This statement was false. Ms. Lewinsky had
"in fact . . . told people about the hat pin." Id.
235. Id. at 152. In a later grand jury appearance,
Ms. Lewinsky again described the conversation, and said "I don't
remember his response. I think it was something like, 'I don't
know,' or 'Hmm' or -- there really was no response." Lewinsky
8/20/98 GJ at 66.
236. Lewinsky 8/26/98 Depo. at 58.
237. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 166-67 (emphasis added).
238. Id. at 154; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 71.
239. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 154-55.
240. Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 7 (emphasis added); see
also Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 179; Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 62 ("I was
truthful in my [February 1] proffer").
241. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 155.
242. Id. at 154.
243. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 57-58.
244. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 105-06.
245. Id. at 126 (emphasis added).
246. Id. at 108.
247. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 156-58.
248. Id. at 158.
249. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 105, 107-08.
250. Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 72-73.
251. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 158.
252. FBI Receipt for Property Received, 1/23/98; 824-DC-00000001-2 (letter from Karl Metzner, attorney for Betty Currie,
dated 1/23/98, to the OIC, listing items in the box).
253. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 43-44 (emphasis added). In his
grand jury testimony, the President repeated this "whatever you
have" language several times. Id. at 45, 46-47, 115.
254. Id. at 51.
255. Id. at 114-15.
256. Id. at 46-47.
257. Id. at 46.
258. Ms. Currie testified that she was taking St. John's Wort
to try to remember, but it was not helping. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at
172.
259. Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 7 (emphasis added).
260. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 154-55; see also Lewinsky 8/20/98
GJ at 70-72.
261. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 126.
262. Lewinsky 9/3/98 Int. at 2.
263. Id.
264. Id. In addition, under her immunity agreement,
Ms. Lewinsky has no apparent motive to shift blame on this issue.
In fact, just the opposite. If the truth were that she had
called Ms. Currie, she could have said as much, and it would not
have affected Ms. Lewinsky's legal rights or obligations at all.
Moreover, she stated that does not want to harm the President
with her truthful testimony. Lewinsky 8/26/98 Depo. at 69.
265. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 108.
266. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 32; see also id. at 44, 45.
267. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 106.
268. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 75.
269. Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 5 (Ms. Lewinsky could not visit
the President unless Ms. Currie cleared her in); see
also Lewinsky 7/31/98 Int. at 4-5 (Currie was "in the loop" when
it came to keeping Lewinsky's relationship with the President
discreet); Currie GJ 5/6/98 at 14-15, 57-58, 97-98.