However, the Ancestry File has been productive. I've found 2 more generations back on the Held/Höld line from Sindelfingen. Old Adolf's full name appears to be Adolf Hans Jacob Held from Zabern, Alsaß (now Saverne, Alsace, France). This is in our direct ancestry line, but is not where our Held name comes from. Our connection to this Held line is via Philipp Joachim Held who married Magdalena Wanner of Sindelfingen, d/o Johann Jacob Wanner and Maria Dorothea Held/Höld.
1 Michael Held b: Bef. 1554 Zabern, Alsaß
. +Anna ? b: Bef. 1554 Zabern ?
2 Urban Held b: Abt. 1580 Zabern, Alsaß
d: 23 Aug 1628 Zabern, Alsaß
.... +Catharina Scholl b: Abt. 1580 Zabern, Alsaß
... 3 Adolf Hans Jacob Held b: 16 Feb 1609 Zabern,
Alsaß
d: 03 Jul 1681 Sindelfingen Boblingen Wurtemberg
...... +Magdalena Bausch b: Abt. 1607 Öschingen Rottenberg
Würtemberg m: Abt. 1642 in der Nähe von Leonberg d: 23 Sep
1671
Sindelfingen Boblingen Wurtemberg
... 3 Julianne Held b: 03 Dec 1616 Zabern, Alsaß
For those that are decendants to John David Held and Susie Edna Riggle, I've found a few more ancestors back that line along the Markle line via the LDS Ancestry File. Actually there are a lot more, 8 generations. Some of these need to be researched a little more, if only to refine the appropriate names of the places of birth. There was no such place as Germany in 1430. Actually Germany did not come into being until 1871 (see German genealogy: Regional Research ). In 1640 Metz was part of the Republic of Metz and not part of France. During this same period the area we call Loraine was the Duchy of Lothringen, an independent area.
1 Heinrich Merklin b: Abt. 1430
Gleschendorf,
Luebeck, Germany
.... +Anna ? b: Abt. 1433
2 Johannes Merklin b: 1458 Luebeck, Germany
...... +Martha Doppelstein b: Abt. 1462 Stendal, Sachsen,
Prussia
.. 3 Oswald Merklin b: 18 March 1490 Strasbourg,
Bas-Rhin, France
........ +Hildegard Blumel b: Abt. 1500 Strasbourg,
Bas-Rhin,
France m: 07 December 1535
.... 4 Hans Merklin b: 16 October 1538 Strasbourg,
Bas-Rhin, France
.......... +Johanna ? b: Abt. 1550 Strasbourg, Bas-Rhin,
France
....... 5 Christian Merkel b: 1576 Strassburg ,
France
d: 17 January 1643 Metz, Lorraine
............. +Christianna Munich b: 1580 Metz, Lorraine
m: 07 January 1606 Metz, Lorraine
......... 6 Peter Merkel b: 14 August 1607 Metz,
Lorraine
............... +Sophia Maria Beaudoin b: 1611 Metz,
Lorraine
m: 19 September 1639
........... 7 Peter Merkel b: 17 August 1640 Metz,
Lorraine, France
................. +Magdalena Coehorn b: Abt. 1640 Sweden
m: 24 February 1672
.............. 8 Johann Christopher Markle aka: John
Christopher
Markle b: 19 July 1678 Merzig, Saarland d: 22 May 1766 Moselem
Springs
, Richmond Twp, Berks Co, PA
.................... +Anna Germina Wertz aka: Anne Jemima Wurtzen
b: Abt. 1682 Holland m: Holland
................ 9 Anna Francina Markle aka: Anne Frankina
Markle b: 1728 Northampton, PA d: 13 July 1782 Franklin Twp. ,
Westmoreland,
PA
...................... +Michael Rugh b: 05 January 1723
Gumbrechtshoffen, Alsace-Lorraine m: WFT Est. 1738-1769 d: 28 March
1820
Franklin Twp. , Westmoreland, PA
.................. 10 Peter Ruch aka: Peter Rugh b: 17
August 1747 Northampton (now Lehigh) Co PA d: 22 December 1828
Greensburg
Hempfield Twp, Westmoreland Co, PA
........................ +Maria Margaretha Keister aka: Margaret
Keister b: 27 November 1753 Westmoreland Co, PA m: 1772 Heidelburg Twp,
Adams Co, PA d: 12 April 1831 Greensburg, PA
..................... 11 Anna Francina Ruch aka: Franzina
Ruch b: 11 March 1785 Westmoreland Co, PA d: 29 March 1852 Bell
Twp,
Westmoreland Co, PA
........................... +Abraham Bowman b: 1782
Northampton
Co, PA m: 1800 d: 1850
....................... 12 George W. Bowman aka: George
Bauman b: 15 April 1813 Greensburg, PA d: 31 August 1893
Leechburg,
PA
............................. +Sarah Turney aka: Sarah Dorney
b: 20 August 1815 m: Abt. 1835 d: 13 January 1892 Leechburg, PA
......................... 13 Lydia Bowman b: 25 July
1854 Armstrong Co, PA d: 07 March 1944 Leechburg, Armstrong Co,
PA
............................... +Henry J. Riggle b: 1844
m: Abt. 1880 d: 22 May 1915
............................ 14 Susie Edna Riggle
b: 09 April 1883 Armstrong Co, PA d: 28 June 1952 Leechburg,
Armstrong
Co, PA
Subject: Re: Guth in Tumlingen Ortsippenbuch
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:28:44 -0400
From: mstaude <mstaude@columbus.rr.com>
To:
BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-L@rootsweb.com
CC: fhheld@netzero.net
There is only one listing for Guth in the Tumlingen Ortsippenbuch, with no futher information on the children:
Hans Jakob GUTH, Maier auf dem oesterreichischem Schafhof, *um
1639
zu Oberland im Zuericher Graubinth, +5.Epiph. 1674 Tumlingen, Eltern:
Jakob
Guth und Barbara oo Eva RUSS, *23.11.1634 Gruental, Eltern: Johannes
RUSS,
RUOFF, von Gruental und Maria,
Kinder:
1. Maria *14.10.1664
2. Anna *2.2.1668
3. Toechterlein +11.3.1669
4. Michael *14.9.1673
Quelle: Frau Dr. Adler: Gruental F565, F898
Mitchell Staude
In another look at the Tumlingen microfilm today I found Jacob's death record listing his death date as 08 Feb 1674 and stating he was 35 years old. I also found a mini-family register with no children listed, but showing his death as 5 Epiph. 1674 (could be the 5th week of Epiphany which would be in February in our modern calendar). This mini-family register is essentially quoted word-for-word by Frau Dr. Adler in the Tumlingen Ortssippenbuch. Considering that Jacob died at the young age of 35, if she was pregnant at the time of Jacob's death, Eva may have gone back to her parent's home in Grüntal to have the last child, Matthaus. I guess Grüntal is the next place to look.
Copyright 1999 by Fred H. Held