The following information is from Va. land patents listed in Cavaliers and
Pioneers. I'm trying to make sense of all the Payne's listed there and it
looks
like a who's who of Saint Mary's Co.  Although Payne's can be found in several
counties, they appear to all be related or at the VERY LEAST, the hung out in
the same circles. The names that keep coming up in the patents of one county,
appear in the patents of all the other counties too. This would at least
suggest that if they were separate families that they probably knew of each
other through associations. I personally feel it all one big happy family, but
that remains to be seen :-]  Please have a close look and give me some
feedback
please! If you list all of these Payne's by county and date, then compare them
all to each other with the associated names, I think you'll see what I'm
talking about. A good example is John Paine that lived along the Rappahannock-
both sides of it. If you look at the names in those patents and compare the
patents of John Paine in other counties, you find the same names appearing
again-

Rappahannock names:
Weire, West, Griffith, Barrowes, Lee, Prosser, Holt, Farrar, Cole/Coale,
Williams, Smith, Thompson, Sneade, Merryman, Morgan, Haynes, Capell, Harrison,
Hobbs.

If you look at all the names in other counties listed under ANY Paine/Payne,
the same names appear:

Up. Co. of New Norf under John Paine- Crew, Tompson

Charles River/County:
Florentine Paine- Lee, Morgan
John Paine- Morgan
Thomas Paynes- Smith, Heyden, Thompson
Humphrey Paine- Speede, Smith

Nansimond Co under Thomas Payne- Thompson

Isle of Wight Co.:
Henry Paine- Lewis, Redman, Knight
Sarah Paine- Williams

James City Co:
John Paine- Smith, Knight, Williams

Westmoreland Co:
Mary Paine- Pope
William Paine- Morgan, Mason, clerke
Ann Paine- Pope, Cooper, Cole/Coale, Samuraies
Richard Paine- Pope, Cooper, Cole, Samuraies
Robert Paine- Pope, Cooper, Cole, Samuraies

Accomack Co:
Ann Paine- Smith, Cole, Samuraies, Morgan, Taylor
Ezard Paine- Smith, Cole, Samuraies, Morgan, Taylor
Robert Paine- Smith, Combs, Cecill, West, Cole, Williams

I hope i've stated my thoughts well. I don't think this can be coincidence
(Especially when some of these names are DEFINITELY SMC people!).
I've attempted to color code the counties to make it easier on me. I know I
can't submit that formatting to the list, but I do suggest that you list these
names by county and write the associated names beside them. When you have that
done, take a look at the results. If your even a bit like me, you'll be
stunned
at the number of relations you find. Also, I'm working with poor maps of the
area but as I understand it, the Rappahannock area would have included
N'umberland and Lancaster Counties. So, I colored all of those Red on my list
to denote the Rappahannock. Enjoy!
 
 
 

1638:
Paine, John- Up. Co.of New Norf. July 1638 (Crew, Tompson)

1642:
Paine, Florentine- N. Charles Riv. Aug. 1642 (Lee, Morgan)
Paine, John- Charles Co. Oct. 1642 (Morgan)
Paine, William- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Nov. 1642 ((Gookin, Morgan)
Paine, William- Lawnes Cr. nere John Snelletts howse. Dec. 1642 (Taylor)

1648:
Payne, Florentine- Eliz. City Co. June 1648

1650:
Payne, Thomas- Nansimond Co. N. side of Indian Cr. Mar. 1650 (Thompson)
Payne, Thomas- Rappa. Riv. Apr. 1650
Payne, Edward- S. side of Rappa. Riv. May 1650 (Mason, Thompson, Lewis, John
Paine?)
Payne, Thomas- N. side of Rappa. Riv. July 1650 (Lane, James, Williams)
Paynes, Thomas- Chas. City Co., Aug. 1650 (Smith, Heyden, Thompson)

1651:
Paine, Florentine- Mockjack Bay, Sept. 1651 (Smith)

1652:
Paine, Thomas- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) S. side of Rappa. Riv. Jan. 1652
Payne, Sarah- Pagan Cr. Jan. 1652 (Pitts, West, Mathews, Haynes)
Payne, Ralph- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) Feb. 1652 (Thompson, Hawkins)
Payne, Thomas- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland), S. side of Rappa. Riv. Feb. 1652
(Smith)
Paine, Margery- Mockjack Bay, May 1652 (husband- Howet)
Paine, Henry- Isle of Wight Co., July 1652 (Lewis, Redman, Knight)
Paine, Margery- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland). Aug. 1652
Paine, Ralph- S. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1652
Payne, Thomas- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland), Oct. 1652 (Morgan)

1653:
Pain, John- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland), Feb. 1653 (Harrison, West, Merryman,
Haynes)
Paine, John- James City Co., Feb. 1653, (Smith, Knight, Williams)
Payne, Thomas- S. side of Rappa. Riv. Aug. 1653
Payne, Ralph- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) Oct. 1653
Payne, John- N. Pepetick Cr. Nov. 1653
Paine, Robert- N'umberland Co. (Lancaster). Dec. 1653
Payne, Robert- N'umberland Co. (Lancaster). Dec. 1653

1654:
Paine, Sam.- James City Co., Apr. 1654 (Holt, Jordan, Williams)
Paine, Mary- W'moreland Co., Sept. 1654 (Pope)
Paine, Mary- York Co., Nov. 1654 (Lewis)
Paine, Richard- York Co., Nov. 1654 (Lewis)

1655:
Payne, John- S. Pepetick Cr., July 1655 (Fleete, Smith)
Paine, Ralph- S. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1655

1656:
Paine, Elizabeth- Surrey Co., Jan. 1656 (Busby, Mosley, Barrowes)
Paine, Clorentine- N'umberland Co. (Lancaster) Mar. 1656 (Lee)
Paine, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1656 (Williams, Capell, Smith,
Thompson)
Paine, Marga.- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1656 (Williams, Capell, Smith,
Thompson)
Paine, John Junr.- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1656 (Williams, Capell, Smith,
Thompson)

1657:
Paine, William- W'moreland Co. Mar. 1657 (Morgan, Mason, Clerke)
Paine, John- Rappahannock Co. Apr. 1657 (Sneade, Merriman, Morgan, Haynes,
Wiere, West, Griffith)
Paine, Thomas- Rappahannock Co. June 1657 (Smith, Talbott)
Payne, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. June 1657 (Hobbs)
Paine, Humphrey- Chas. City Co. Oct. 1657 (Speede, Smith)

1658:
Paine, John- Rappa.Co. Mar. 1658 (Barrow)
Paine, James- Rappa. Co. S. side of Rappa. Riv. May 1658 (Dixon, Morgan,
Williams)
Payne, James- S. side of Rappa. Riv. May 1658 (Dixon, Mathews, Morgan,
Williams)
Pane, Mathew- Rappa. Co. Sept. 1658 (Smith)

1661:
Paine, Ralph- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) Jan. 1661

1662:
Paine, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Feb. 1662
Paine, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Feb. 1662
Paine, John- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) Feb. 1662 (Snead)
Paine, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Mar. 1662
Paine, Thomas- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) Mar. 1662

1663:
Paine, Mr. (John?)- Rappa. Co. Feb. 1663
Paine, Thomas- Rappa. Co. Sept. 1663 (Grimes)
Paine, Mary- S. side of Rappa. Riv. Dec. 1663

1664:
Paine, Samll.- Phillips Island on W. side of Chikahomany Riv. upon Phillips
Bay. Feb. 1664 (Coale)
Paine, Ann- W'moreland Co. Mar. 1664 (Pope, Cooper, Cole, Samuraies)
Paine, Richard- W'moreland Co. Mar. 1664 (Pope, Cooper, Cole, Samuraies)
Paine, Robert- W'moreland Co. Mar. 1664 (Sly)
Paine, Sarah- Isle of Wight Co. Mar. 1664 (Williams)
Paine, Thomas- Nansimond Co. Mar. 1664
Payne, Ralph- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) June 1664
Paine, John- N'umberland Co. (Lancaster) June 1664 (Lee)
Paine, Elizabeth- Lancaster Co. (N'umberland) June 1664 (West)
Paine, Ann- Accomack Co. Sept. 1664 (Smith, Cole, Samuraies, Morgan, Taylor)
Paine, Ezard- Accomack Co. Sept. 1664 (Smith, Cole, Samuraies, Morgan, Taylor)

1665:
Paine, John- Rappa. "Freshes" Oct. 1665 (Prosser, Holt, Farrar, Cole, West,
Williams, Lee)
Paine, John- N. side of Rappa. Riv. Oct. 1665
Paine, John- S. side of Rappa. Riv. Apr. 1665 (Prosser, Cole or Coale)

1666:
Paine Robert- Accomack Co. Apr. 1666 (Smith, Combs, Cecill, West, Cole,
Williams)
Paine, Elizabeth- N. side of Rappa. Riv. June 1666 (Grimes, Saxby, Dent)
Paine, John- Rappa. Co. Oct. 1666 (Snead, Merryman, Haines, Wiere, West)

?:
Paine, John- Pepetick Cr. (N. side of Rappa Riv?)

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