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Robert Garcia - 12/27/98 03:01:24
My Email:robb6093@concentric.net
Locality: Anaheim
State/ Prov: CA
Approx. Age: 51
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Christian

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I was in a Christian Clut. It is called "The Bible Speaks. The number one reason I was traped in was because of my lack of knowledge on the Bible. I was a young baby Christian when I got sucked in. The pastors last name was DeVoid. They wanted you to give all that you own and give to their church. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST WARNING SIGN. I spent a year in that cult. The pastor is like a Moses. You didn't question his preaching, or you question God.

Martha Acevedo - 12/26/98 12:31:51
My URL:http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Fields/8423/
My Email:marthaacevedo@geocities.com
State/ Prov: Santafe de Bogotá
Country: Colombia
Approx. Age: 37
Family, if any: yes...
Faith, if any: christian

Comments:
Thanks for write me.... sorry because my english is terrible... Iam from Spain and misionary here in Colombia....but is fine read... I can understand your feelings for all that... is terrible!! BUT remember..... JESUS is the Lord... and his justice is same that his love!! I don't know you, but I feel love for you and your family.. Always I see in some chuch how a pastor, manipula? the people of the congregación... that's is very bad and terrible mistake... Please know that we pray for you in this time I love too Martha

Chris - 12/26/98 00:19:32
My URL:http://fly.to/MrCool
My Email:chrisman@geocities.com
Locality: St. Louis
State/ Prov: MO
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 17
Family, if any: Dad, Mom, Bro, Sis (in-law), and nephew (all in the same house)
Faith, if any: Christian

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I couldn't agree more. Thank you for inviting me.

- 12/23/98 18:29:06

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Rev. Dennis Austin - 12/20/98 03:30:53
My URL:http://members.xoom.com/cevm/cevm.htm
My Email:cevm@salisbury.net
Locality: Salisbury
State/ Prov: North Carolina
Country: United States
Approx. Age: 43
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Thank you for sending me the e-mail to visit your site. Thank you for sharing. The Love of Christ is seen and felt here. God Bless.

Leslie Alan, Winters - 12/20/98 01:39:33
My URL:http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Meadows/1797/
My Email:lesalan@flash.net
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: U.S.ofA.
Approx. Age: 52
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Israelite

Comments:
I know that words are cheap at times like this, and the only thing to do is turn to the Lord for help and advice. He says to try the spirits to see which the are from, not all are good. God is love, but you also have to do as He says in 2Thes. 5:21, and t at is to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good. I am sorry for your daughters death, but don't worry, she is sleeping and will awaken when Christ comes back at the resurection (the seventh, and last trump). Doctors are here for our good als , if they were not then Christ would of said so, but did He not tell the Pharisees in Mark 2:17, that the ones that are sick are the ones that need a physician, and the ones that are well didn't! Your answers are in His guid book to life if you learn how o look for it the way He says, and not the way man says to. Please don't give up on the Lord, but try to learn just who He really is and you will be OK. I mean this in Godly love. Les.

Rev. Richard Fulmer - 12/19/98 21:14:16
My Email:Rtravelin@aol.com
State/ Prov: Missouri
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 48
Faith, if any: Christian (Southern Baptist)

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My dear Friends: My heart aches for you. I had a good friend that I believed was a godly man. A pastor who loved GOD and people. But he developed adult onset diabetes. He left his church and joined with a church that taught the same as your former cult. they told him that if he really would trust in god and pray he would be healed of the problem. They told him to not take his medication. Then he got sick. They said prayer and faith healing would heal him. they didn't know that that he had a started bleeding internaling from an aneursim. He died. They said, tolf his family he didn't have enough faith. I hope that they burn in the deepest part of hell. I will pray for your family and beg you to know the true living GOD never told us to stay away from the doctors He gave to us to help heal us. In Christ R. Fulmer

Rev. Sam Martin - 12/18/98 14:02:48
My Email:pastormartin@hotmail.com
State/ Prov: IL
Country: Madison
Approx. Age: 46
Faith, if any: Baptist

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I think you were wrong to not take her to the Doctors. Please note God uses them to accomplish His plan. God does heal but not always in the way we expect Him to. I had a young man's funeral of some parents in my church who would not take my advice and they went off to some healer and they still didn't get any help. Finally when they came back and took my advice they were too late. It may be too late for Debbie but maybe this mistake will not be made again. Rev. Sam Martin

R Dickson - 12/17/98 10:15:56
My Email:rdickson@plix.com

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I read Dad's page. Consider the word evil in the greek in the open of Galatians. Jesus freed us from this present evil age..... I think that it is spelled ponayos. It means grevious labor and if you chain it through it is talking of slavery. The real ssue of the gospel is being dead and not knowing purpose or design of own life, blindly following another. Jesus died at the hands of those he accused of not entering into the kingdom and preventing the others from entering. It is a public testamony for all men in all ages to know that the leaders may not be acting in our best interests. Jesus in his discussion with Peter states that flesh has not revealed who he was to Peter but his Father. On this Jesus said he would build his church. Each of us has the ability to delineate God for himself. There was a passage in one of the epistiles about false teachers and not needing a teacher as we have the annointing that was in the beginning. If you even journal your thoughts and observations of the world arou d you after months you will notice recurring themes and see pattern. You might try an "on line" Bible for study. It is King James, but has the lexicons and a number of commentaries included. I love mine and it has been hellpful in my searching for truth. Richard

R Dickson - 12/17/98 10:00:16
My Email:rdickson@plix.com
Locality: Mountaintop
State/ Prov: Eastern Wa. State
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 49
Family, if any: f,m,c
Faith, if any: Protestant

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I have been a businessman and the thing about the world is that it has responded to the Judeao/Christian teachings. We live in a contract society and are not under feudalism. You couldn't run a country with 250 million plus without a moral foundation, a archy could not possibly supply our daily needs. Paul's revelation is that we are all one, inside and outside the temple. (no Jews or Gentiles, but one) Jesus died at the hands of the temple leaders not the "world". God's program is not them against us. After our little sojourn with an abberant group, we returned to the church I was raised in. We almost lost our daughter this summer and I am glad for the mature Christians who could reach out to us in our troubles. It was interesting to note that some of the totalistic folks that we have known could look right past the little girl in the whee chair and blabber on about their problems that are as yet still unsolved. I have seen complete strangers come to tears, and yet these folks we spent so much time with are dead emotionally and stalled out in their lives. We noticed while with them that t ey couldn't even love on their own children, but were ever centered on themselves. Legalism gets a bad wrap, but it is the middle ground between God's jail and God's heart. Most people are able to obey the rules of the society and love on each other an each other's children. In facing the possible loss of our only child, we know that God is soverign. It has been difficult enough, but it felt like we were in a play and there were so many people placed around us to encourage us despite the poor prognosis by the doctors. There were just too many for it to have been coincidence. We were in a city 100 miles from our home. Don't judge yourself too harshly. As Paul taught we are but a tent of flesh in this time here. All God seems to want from us in this life is to learn to love outside ourselves. Some of us are not very quick studies. Your daughter has been excused rom training. If God wanted her here she would be here in spite of any thing that was done one way or the other. I am sure of it after watching the chess game He played with us this summer. I read in a magazine that the best friends that you will ever have are those people you raise your children with. Find some solid folks who are not lost to their children and play together. Ann Landers had a piece about a man and what he learned ea h decade of his life and in his fifth decade he learned that dogs are mans best friend and dogma is not. Leave the God stuff to God and go play. Jesus said that there was no sign but the sign of Jonah for the wicked and adulterous generation (lost?) . f one wanders there is the fish hotel where God takes away their options. God teaches by show and tell not by Bible thumping and cult hunting. May God bless you and give you his peace. R Dickson.

Rev Mattie Westbrook - 12/10/98 17:17:46
My URL:http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Estates/8683/christian_page.html
My Email:pz.tool@usa.net
Locality: Lubbock
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: Lubbock
Approx. Age: 56-65
Family, if any: 2 children and 4 grandboys (one in Heaven at 5 weeks)
Faith, if any: Baptist filled with His Spirit

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I'm sorry for your loss. I had cancer 3 times and the Lord did heal me after the drs. gave up on me. We do not know why except--sometimes God needs them home to make heaven a place for us to want to come to. May He heal the hurting and pain you feel as well as the doubts. One thing I had was His word to me that He would heal me if I did what He said in James 5. My church did not believe in "faith-healing" and would not do this. Finally He led me to a church in Phoenix and they did what the Lord said n James 5 and I am still here. One of the things my drs. said when I developed cancer again after 13 years was "we cannot do anything for you but you survived for these 13 years and we see no reason why you won't survive this one as well. There was no c emo to give me and they would kill me if they gave me any more radiation. I had had my limit! That was is 1985. My drs finally made a chemo that they felt would work on my cancer and gave it to me. Praise God I am still here, whether from the chemo or just God's healing me, I do not know! Why did I survive, when Debbie is "at Home?" I have no answer but God's will be done in earth as it is in heaven. There were 5 ladies to come down with cancer in my church and died. Why, when I survived? Only God knows! I still had work to do that He had called me to, I believe! I believe Heaven is sweeter if it holds our loved ones and draws us there. I have a little sister in Heaven. Now a mom and dad and one grandchild who lived only 5 weeks. Why? I do not know. I only know that God has a plan and is working his plan and we will "understand it better by and by" Would I have taken Debbie to the dr. yes, but you did what you thought best at the time. Maybe you wouldn't do that now. Forgive yourselves and your church and go on. "All things work together for good to those who love the Lord and are the called acc rding to His purpose. I found, like you, that when I got sick that the "sinners" were more concerned about me than some of my friends in the church. I too learned that God uses whoever He wills to minister to us in our needs. Sometimes for their sakes as well as ours.. May God richly bless you and your remaining children and give you joy, peace, love and understanding at this season and all through the years to come. You can see my short version of my healing testimony on my pages if you wish. My love and hope I extend to you Your sister in Christ Mattie

Diane Meeks - 12/07/98 04:07:32
My URL:http://wwp.mirabilis.com/12101005
My Email:dmmeeks@Eohio.net
Locality: Hopedale
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: United States of America
Approx. Age: 51
Family, if any: yes
Faith, if any: Christian/Methodist

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I can't find the words to say what I feel..Only that I love you and your family; and will pray for the Lord's continued healing. May you find "His" peace and "His" fogiveness....and may you learn to forgive yourselves..Unless we have walked in your steps; we don't know your pain. God bless and keep you in His hands....Love and prayers...Diane :)

David Crawford - 12/07/98 00:25:27
My URL:http://home.fam.net/dreamcenter
My Email:dreamcentertour@hotmail.com
Locality: Los(t) Angeles
State/ Prov: Ca.
Country: USA
Approx. Age: Hmmm...
Family, if any: Body of Christ
Faith, if any: Pentacostal but mostly Jesus

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Thanks for informing me of your site! Come visit the Dream Center! Jesus Still Rules!

Dar Sikorski - 12/06/98 20:34:14
My URL:http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Meadows/7803
My Email:jgsik@epix.net
Locality: Northeast
State/ Prov: Pennsylvania
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 44
Family, if any: Husband of 25 years: Jim, 3 beautiful gifts from God: Jenn, Steph and Amanda
Faith, if any: Baptist

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Thank you for sending me the URL for you site. What a touching story and I praise God that you have remained faithful to Him through all you tough times. We are also Christian homeschoolers. God bless you as you train up your children for Him.

Chriscelia R. DeVazquez - 12/06/98 20:20:21
My Email:chriscelia@ccnmail.com
Locality: San German
State/ Prov: Puerto Rico
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 50
Family, if any: husband & one son 23 yrs. old
Faith, if any: I'm the only christian in my family.

Comments:
Nowadays is very important to show the people the difference between the cults and christianity. Some cults are taking advantage from people who do not have the wisdom of the Lord Jesus. Praise the Lord that He opened the eyes of Debbie's family. It is ve y sad the story but it will serve to show others not to trust the men but Jesus. Say that the doctors were put there to serve people,and we christians are people, too. We go first to Jesus, pray and then go to the doctor whenever is necessary. MAY THE PEA E OF OUR SAVIOR - JESUS BE WITH DEBBIE'S FAMILY AND CONTINUE WITH THEIR FAITH IN THE LORD. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. CHRISCELIA

Lone Wolf - 12/06/98 17:19:29
My Email:ralph@eurekanet.com
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 42
Family, if any: Wife and My Son
Faith, if any: Belieaver in the Blood of Christ

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I am Very sorry to here of your Loss I to Beliave God Will Heal us But he uses Different tools to do the Healin He Heals with his Word and sometimes we heal our selfs with our Faith But there are times he uses other people too for healin Doctors being one tool he does us he give them the Will to learn and I beliave he Gides they Hands as they Perform His blessed works . We are all Son's and Daughter of God

Terri Butler - 12/06/98 11:41:25
My Email:TerrisEmail
Locality: Belton
State/ Prov: Texas
Country: United States of America
Approx. Age: 30
Family, if any: mother, fathr
Faith, if any: Christian raised in Pentecostal background

Comments:
All I can say about reading your web page is that everyone makes mistakes. I think some people can get too caught up in legalism (through cult like practices). I also believe that if a person becomes ill-- especially if the illness can be treated by a d ctor (even cancer) that every effort should be made to seek treatment. I am grieved when I read your page and find that some people at your former church got you all to not seek a doctor's help and care with Debbie but I don't and can't judge the decisions you made. I hope that even as a result of Debbie's death that you all as a family will become closer than ever and I am really sorry about your loss. I hope that you all will one day find a church that not only teaches the Bible but also beleives in a person getti g medical help when needed. God bless you all and I hope that things start looking up for you all as a family! I am really sorry about Debbie's death and I know you are all still in a healing and possibly grieving process because of everything that happened. No you did not fail your daughter. You did what you thought was the best course of action at the time so noone can really blame you for the decision you made with Debbie at the time! You can e-mail me back if you would like to as I am interested in the kinds of things you have mentioned in your web page and if you have anyone you need to talk to, feel free to e-mail me at any time! By the way, I do have a web page of my own but I lost the code to get to it. Just do a search of my web page uder Terri Butler and my web page should come up. I was a victim of abuse and incest and wrote a book and poems about my experiences and how I was able to cope with it all and eventually heal from it. I would like for you to go to my web page sometime and comment on it and sign my guest book and e-mail e with any reactions you may have. Again I lost the code to give to people to get to my web page but just do a search under the name Terri Butler and my web page should come up for you! Please read the book with caution as it has discribtions of the abuse I went through and how I eventual y healed from it. Please read it and sign my guest book and e-mail me with any comments you have as I want to help as many people as I can who have suffered from the kinds of things I went through. I went to a Christian counselor for 3 years and had and still have a good support system of friends and that really helps alot plus I have forgiven my parents for everything they have done to cause me harm and feel like a totally new person! Take care and I look forward to hearing from you again! I am sorry for your loss of Debbie but you did what you thought was right and noone can really blame you as you did what you thought was in Debbie's best interest. Sincerely, Terri L. Butler

Believer - 12/06/98 10:36:14
My Email:onetruegod@hotmail.com
Country: Canada
Approx. Age: 39
Faith, if any: Born Again Christian

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I am truly sorry that you and your family had to go through that. I am so sorry that you got caught up in that cult.. but I am sure that it came from your deep desire to know and to worship the living God and I am sure that though some mistakes were made .God sees your heart and will work all things out for good because you love Him.

ShirlZ - 12/06/98 09:24:30
My URL:http://geocities.datacellar.net/Heartland/Lane/2692/index.html
My Email:darrju@yahoo.com
State/ Prov: Indiana
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 53
Family, if any: 1 girl, 1 boy and 1 soon to be grandchild
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
God always has His reasons, so please do not blame yourselves. God knows what is best for all of us. Debbie has attanined what we are all looking for, to be with God in all His glory, what a celebration. It is hard for the people left behind, I know, I lost my mother a year ago. A few days after my mother's passing, I received a beautiful poem in the m il, I still have no idea where it came from. I'm convinced God had a hand in this. Please go over to my website and read the tribute to my mom. Maybe it will bring as much comfort to you as it did to me. God bless you and your wonderful family. Your friend in Christ

Joan Butler - 12/06/98 05:40:31
My Email:jbu123456@aol.com
Locality: Oklahoma City
State/ Prov: Oklahoma
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 43
Faith, if any: Blood Bought Born-Again Christian

Comments:
Yes God does use Drs. and others But HE CAN HEAL!!! We CAN have enough Fath that he will Use these people. But if HE chooses not to then it still is a answer to our prayers. We forget that his ways are not our ways and his time is not our time His is MU H HIGHER!! He answers in 3 ways yes, no and wait!! This wasn't a mistake the family made by trusting God it was a mistake when they let Satan bring in Doubt!! I we ask BELIEVING in His name It Is done!!!. So if the parents believed then God was faithful My Bro.-In-Law is a prime examplre he went in for a heart by-pass even though he has Lupus and his veins in his legs weren't good they had to use what they had or he would die. The men of the church took off work and met in one accord at the church and itervined on his behalf for the 6 hrs. he was in surgery. He came through the surgery with flying colors but the Drs. hat nicked his voice box and made a small hole in his lungs (so much for men). But even though the Drs. told him he would NEVER talk ag in above a whisper and remember this was what they had done, He asked God to allow him to have his voice and he would use it to proclaim his Love and faithfullness!! And to the Drs. amazement 3 weeka later he is talking as normal as ever!! He is now Pra sing the Lord in away he had never befor done, Publicly!!. So when it is our time we will go if not not EVEN Drs. can kill us!!

Jerry W. Jones Sr., Ph.D. - 12/06/98 04:50:22
My Email:drjay@dtgnet.com
Locality: Irene
State/ Prov: South Dakota
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 61
Family, if any: 6 children/1 in Heaven & wife
Faith, if any: Independent Baptist

Comments:
It is sad that so many so-called "Christian" faiths don't realize that Jesus Himself said, "They that be whole need not a physician." If the whole don't need a physician, then it must be that He was telling us that when they are sick, they do. I grieve with you in your loss. We lost a child to drowning, which is far more traumatic than when a death is expected, but I know no comfort to you in your loss. I pray your child knew the Christ of Heaven, and that she and my son, Timothy, have seen each other and rejoicing in the presence of the Lord.

Pastor Craig Debinski - 12/04/98 22:26:10
My Email:CraigDebinski@msn.com
State/ Prov: NJ

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Dear precious, precious people, How sad to hear that you have suffered so much. God is grieved and hurt by those who have hurt you. I pray God will lead you into a real Bible believing and caring Church so true believers may minister to you. Feel free to respond, if God leads you. H loves you and so do I. Pastor Craig Debinski, BA, MA, Ph.D. candidate

Cass Sepeda - 12/04/98 22:17:10
My URL:http://www.nb.net/~witness/
My Email:witness@nb.net
Locality: Bedford
State/ Prov: Pennsylvania
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 35
Family, if any: Husband
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
May God continue to shed His mercy and grace on you! I hope that you don't blame yourselves for your loss. God has His purposes. I remember my wake up call vividly...the night I prayed that God would protect my friend from death because he was so needed i this world only to find out that he died on the operating table! I learned how often I pray from selfish motives, trying to make it seem unselfish and right. I know my friend is with God and I smile through the tears because of his happiness. And I am so thankful that I learned so much from him in life and in death. We can trust God to know what is best. Remember what Joseph said about his brothers having sold him into slavery: "although you meant it for harm, God meant it for good!" Love in Christ, Cass

- 12/04/98 07:45:11

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James McCleese - 12/04/98 07:14:18
My Email:jimy2140@webtv.net
Locality: kalida
State/ Prov: oh
Country: us
Approx. Age: 28
Family, if any: Wife and son
Faith, if any: Non denominational

Comments:
Peace and Grace be unto you from our father in heaven...I do not think that your story is too culty.(not to be blamed on a cult). It is my feeling and the way that God has developed in me to reason with good and bad experiences. Remember Job. He was a goo faithful man as I feel that your family is. He too was stripped from his blessings,, but a whole lot more!!! Your family is blessed with so many children. To have had so large a family with out doctor intervention is a miracle in itself!! Dont Dont Dont oose faith. Your daughter Debbie is in heaven. She too sees your pain and it hurts her to see you that way. Praise God I said PRAISE God for all the blessings that you do have , and all the things that you don't. Satan asked permission to afflict your fam ly with this and he agreed in the uderstanding that he knew you could survive and be strengthened unto good works , wisdom to help others and be a testimony to him that sent him. LOVE S.O.C.

Tony St. James - 12/04/98 01:05:54
My Email:Ace@feedback.net.ar
Locality: Buenos Aires
State/ Prov: Buenos Aires
Country: Argentina
Approx. Age: 33
Family, if any: Yes
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
To Debbie´s family, I´m really sorry about what happened to Debbie, what I read broke my heart. I don´t know if you still believe in God, but not all the Christians are like that brother. God bless you. I´m not father yet, so I don´t know what it feels to lose a child, but my heart will be with you and for Debbie´s memory forever.

Bob Ashley - 12/02/98 17:35:29
My URL:http://www.dayofthechild.org
My Email:Bob.Ashley@SDInc.com
Locality: Simi Valley
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 45
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
Hi, I am so sorry you lost your daughter and I am incapable of fully empathizing. One thought, however, struck me as I read your courageous page. You belonged to a so-called "Christian" cult which encouraged you not to seek help essentially because you sh uld trust in God, not in Man. The irony is you never would have failed to seek treatment for your daughter if you had not "trusted in Man"-- in this case the cult leader. In my study of the Bible I've never seen any indication I or my family should not eek medical care when sick other than possibly a few verses which could be taken out of context. These verses which suggest God is sufficient for everything could, I suppose, also be used to "prove" that I shouldn't take my car to a mechanic or my shoes o a shoe repair shop. To sum up my thoughts I pray you are not now discouraged or have abandoned your faith in our Lord Jesus. He remains the Way the Truth and the Life. My understanding is that a Christian's practical alternative to trusting in Man is personal study of the Word of God augmented by works of trusted Bible commentators and wise counsel. From there it is the Spirit of God revealed through prayer which is to provide us critical day-to-day practical answers to life's dilemmas. Anyway, than you for your site. God Bless You.

Christian - 12/01/98 02:44:05
My Email:exposit@napanet.net
Locality: Napa
State/ Prov: CA
Country: USA
Approx. Age: Over the Hill...
Family, if any: Married and four...
Faith, if any: A humble follower of our Lord Jesus Christ

Comments:
Thanks for the opportunity to feel your sorrow and joy in the midst of your trial. What a precious gift your daughter was while living...and what a reminder of what we will become in the twinkling of an eye. May God richly bless you as you follow His al sufficient Word. Until then...hanging out at the foot of the cross.

- 11/30/98 20:40:23

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Bill Kollar - 11/30/98 20:35:16
My Email:WCKollar@aol.com
Locality: Omaha
State/ Prov: NE
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 52
Faith, if any: Pastor, Free Methodist Church

Comments:
Thank you for this page. May you find comfort in knowing that Debbie is well and is with God.

Michele - 11/30/98 19:07:24
Family, if any: 7 children
Faith, if any: Christian

Comments:
I was amrried to a man who appeared to all, to be an enthusiastic member of our old testament church. He came from a background of drugs and violence and held the Lord up as his reason for recovery. I came from a family where abuse was common and so fel easily into acceptance of his overbearance and violence. I bear my own abuse at his hands as a lack of self-esteem and stupidity , but my children's abuse, I will never forgive myself for. The worse came when I came home from a walk ( I too lived in rural Northern CA) witha friend, and found my husband crying in the living room about how sorry he was... My heart sunk, thinking one of the children was dead (he was NEVER sorry) I found my li tle boy Danny with a huge black eye and bruises all around his throat. I immediately called our pastor (fearing and not trusting county intervention) and after a very brief counseling session, the pastor called my husband forgiven said that all parents m ke mistakes! Well, the violence escalated after that, he had the Church's blessings. soon, I reported him to the county and filed a restraining order and after a couple of months counseling (again with the church -new congregation) we reunited. This ti e it took until I was hurt from an accident on the job (he would not work regularly, so I had to do so- for 10 years) and had to live at home day in and day out to see the overall ugly tone that our home had. My children and I walked in fear, always see ing to please him on one hand (his approval was a wonderful thing) and to curse him on the other. Eventually, my slow decline began - we had moved (again) and I could not work, he would not work,... I attempted permanent escape -suicide. After hospitalization and medication for depression, I began to see my real options much clearer. I served my last restraining order along with divorce papers (we were not under a church at this time and had nto been so for awhile - in the city, they wer not quite so accepting of him) and within 24 hours - we were free, ! It was not easy after that. my 5 boys were finally able to talk about their fear and anger and I was the only one to blame... I lost one to rebellion and he now lives on his own (quite well) at 17. I met and married the most gentle and loving man whos 2 children played with my 2 youngest. now with 7 , we have a full house! It is not always a quiet one and tempers do flare - but no one is ever in doubt of being loved. My ex-husband found a church who would support him (he was back on drugs for much of the marriage and I didn't knwo or want to -I guess) It has been over 3 years and they are just now seeing him... Churches are made up of people and people are capable of mistakes. Doctrines are MAN's ideas on the teachings of Christ. NO MAN HOLDS THE KEYS TO HEAVEN. Praise God you saw that and it saved your remaining children. You sound like loving , caring pare ts. God bless you - and I am sure he has. When ever I punish myself too much and let the boys anger get to me, I remember Christ dying for me - for all my sins, and ask myself -wasn't it enough?

Bob Krajcik - 11/29/98 20:19:58
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Locality: Mansfield
State/ Prov: Ohio
Country: USA
Approx. Age: 52
Faith, if any: Baptist