Wild Child
Joaquin Phoenix has
led as unconventional a life as possible. Now he`s a
raging success in Hollywood. Can talent really conquer
all? By Edward Sussman
Joaquin Phoenix is
standing on a New York City subway platform when a train
pulls in and the middle doors of the car open before him.
"No,
not that one," he
says. "I
always ride at the end of the car." He dashes to an end door and gets
on the train. Then he rejects the open seats. "I don`t like
to sit," he says.
Instead he plasters his back against a divider by the
door. "I
always stand. Right here." He says this adamantly. Then he grins, just
a little. It`s hard to tell if he`s kidding. From his
expression, he appears to be. But with this eccentric
23-year-old, it`s hard to tell. If Harvard Business
School prepared case studies on how highly unconventional
individuals managed to launch successful acting careers,
Joaquin Phoenix would be the star of the curriculum. You
may know Phoenix from his performance in To Die For as
the moronic teenager duped by Nicole Kidman into
murdering her husband. You may also have seen him in
Oliver Stone`s U-Turn or Inventing the Abbotts opposite
his real life girlfriend, Liv Tyler. Or you may know him
as the
younger brother of
River Phoenix, the gifted actor who died five years ago
of a heroin-cocaine overdose. Over the next few months,
you may get to know Phoenix, "Joaq" to his
friends, more for his roles in Return to Paradise and
Clay
Pigeons, both opposite
Vince Vaughn, and in 8MM, opposite Nicolas Cage. But the
Phoenix you get to know in the flesh is more complicated
than any brief Hollywood bio could possibly suggest. His
persona begs a question: In a highly competitive field,
can talent alone overwhelm eccentricity? Dark sunglasses,
dark clothing, a lit cigarette and sneakers is Phoenix`s
standard uniform. The sunglasses and muted threads help
deflect public stares; he hates being watched. The
cigarettes help contain his manic energy. But even
chain-smoking, Phoenix rocks and sways, bursting into
song or tossing out a stream of expletives. The sneakers
he wears on moral principle. A strict vegan, he doesn`t
eat meat or dairyŻor wear leather. Raising chickens and
cows is "a form of slavery," he says.
The thing about
Phoenix is, it`s not easy to tell when he`s kidding
around because so much of the real stuff he tells you is
so offbeat. He just gave a substantial sum of money to a
midwifery school. He was the centerpiece of a print ad
campaign by Prada, the high-end fashion house, yet he
refused to wear the company`s leather shoes and belts.
(Prada took a picture of someone else`s legs with the
shoes and put the picture next to Phoenix, who was shown
in a suit.) He swears he can vividly remember the day of
this third birthday, aboard a freight ship hauling Tonka
toys from Venezuela to Florida. "The crew
started pulling up nets with just thousands of fish and
they`d be flopping on the deck," he says. "In order to
kill them, they just threw them against the wall,
which was utterly shocking."
And then there`s the
reason three-year-old Joaquin was on that ship with his
brother and sisters: his free-spirited parents lived an
itinerant life, for a time as members of the Children of
God cult, traveling around South America,
Mexico and the United
States. Phoenix and his family have lived in old
ice-cream and UPS trucks. He, River and sisters Rain and
Summer sometimes performed dance numbers on the streets
of Los Angeles to raise money for the family.
How did Phoenix make
the leap from this unique background and the
idiosyncratic person it produced to an individual now
widely regarded as a top gun among the next wave of
leading Hollywood actors? The most obvious answer is that
he plays to his strengths. His characters are more often
than not quirky and sometimes driven to extremes. In
Return to Paradise, for example, Phoenix plays an
American imprisoned in a Third World jail for drug
possession and facing a death sentence unless two
American friends return and share the blame and lengthy
prison sentences. The
director suggested Phoenix spend a week in an actual
prison to prepare for the role. Phoenix was willing, but
early takes were more than sufficient to prove he could
already tap into the kind of desperateness and distress
the role demanded.
Phoenix also gives
credit to Iris Burton, who, since Joaquin was six,
has handled his entire family, from River to his
sisters Rain and Summer, who are also actors. These days,
Phoenix could easily move to a high-powered Hollywood
agency if he wanted
to, but he prefers to stay with Burton, who has known
Phoenix so long that she watches out for him like family.
Idiosyncratic but it works. On the day P.O.V. interviewed
Phoenix, he rejected three locations before
settling on a boulder
in Central Park. He seemed relieved to be far from the
downtown restaurant where the interview began, and away
from crowds and staring eyes.
So are you comfortable
with making a great deal of money as an actor?
It`s a
great job and you work and it`s great. But I do put a lot
of work into what I do and it consumes my thoughts for
months, and recovering from that is even more terrible.
With the work I do, if I feel like I want some
materialistic item that`s going to make me happier, if
I`m going to look forward to driving a convertible on the
weekend, if it makes me feel fabulous, then I`ll do it.
And I`m not going to think, Well, what about someone
else? Because I feel better and I`ve been able to express
desires that I have and I feel good, then I`m going to be
in the right frame of mind to help someone else
out.
I
think that you are allowed to spend the ridiculous
amounts of money that you make on bullshit things that
don`t really matter just because you want to as long as
you balance that with giving back, which I think that I
do. I think about my friend who`s evicted because he
can`t pay his rent in his apartment and I just tossed out
$500 for a MiniDisc player because I wanted a MiniDisc
player so I could record my own music. It`s bizarre. I
don`t know, it`s all relative. I don`t have the answers.
I`m just still trying to figure it out.
Also, it`s early enough in
your career that you`re not dealing with huge sums of
money.
Well,
in comparison to my friend who got evicted, yes, I`m
filthy stinking rich, and he thinks If I only had that
I`d be set for life. Well, I look at whatever actor and
go, "You son of a bitch, if I got paid that for
every fucking movie I ever made, are you kidding? I`d buy
a whole city block and set up housing for, you know,
whatever." So, it`s all relative and I don`t,
I don`t make that much money. Right now, really, I`m
establishing a comfortable home for myself and my family
and for my nephew and for whatever groups I can donate to
to help them out, to keep them alive. I`ll do that as
much as it is realistic. I think that you try the best
that you can, but we`re all selfish, we all want
something fabulous for ourselves and want to make it. I
know people that are like, "I would never do one of
those Japanese commercials for a million dollars, two
million dollars." Screw you. Goddamn right I`ll do a
commercial for two million dollars. Are you high?
Fucking-A, I will. I`ll do it for two million dollars and
then what am I going to do tomorrow? I`m going to do
something good with that money. That`s how I see
it.
But you wouldn`t do a
McDonald`s commercial.
No,
you`re right, I wouldn`t do that.
How`d your film 8MM, with
Nicolas Cage, come together?
I
hadn`t seen my agent for a long time, so I went over to
her place and we were talking about Return to Paradise,
the fact that it was happening, and trying to figure out
what to do following that, what would be the best move.
She said, "I`d like you to do something bigger with
a studio." I said, "You know, I just want to do
a good film, whatever may come along." And we`re
sitting talking and the phone rings and it`s [director]
Joel Schumacher, who she knows. And she says, "I`m
sitting here with Joaquin Phoenix." And he goes,
"Well great, that`s why I`m calling. I have this
script and I want him to read it and talk a little bit
about it," and he wanted to meet me. So I went over
and met him.
Are you close to your
agent as far as her being a career guide?
Oh,
I`ve been with her my whole career. I got with her when I
was about six years old. My whole family has been with
her. She was the only agent that took all of us. We went
to a number of agents that said "OK, we`ll take Rain
and Summer but we won`t take Liberty, River or
Joaquin." We didn`t want to be split up. My parents
wanted us all together and we went in and met her and she
loved all of us and took us all. She`s just a really
sweet, great woman who works on her own. Her office is a
room behind her house. She believes in me and believes
that I can do anything, so I don`t have to deal with
package deals and agents going, "Well, Joaquin`s not
really that type. We see him more as this, but we could
get so-and-so." You know, at the big agencies I
think they have these kind of power meetings. I
don`t know because I`ve never been there, but this is my
assumption. They have these meetings where they say,
"We have this script from this writer and I think
that so-and-so is the type of part." I mean, I grew
up with her. She`s part of the family, so it`s actually a
great relationship and I`ve never been pressured into
doing anything. She can be very strong-minded about
certain projects: "I really think you should do
this." But we always manage to agree on all of my
choices, and I`m really happy with my career.
How many people work with
you now?
My
first thing was an agent. Then came a publicist. When To
Die For came out, a lot of people wanted to do
interviews, so they automatically went to this woman
where my brother worked. So she just started calling me.
Then about six months ago, I started thinking about
getting an entertainment lawyer. They start dealing with
the contracts and get really involved in the
details. Then I just got a business manager who had
been doing our tax returns. He offered to do it and I
wanted to free my mom from that responsibility, because
she`s the one who`s been doing it. I don`t want her to
have to deal with it, and there`s no way in hell I was
going to do it, so this guy offered to do it for a really
good price. All my credit-card statements go to him and I
talk to him about investments and that sort of thing.
You`ve done three films
pretty close together. Are you worried about working too
much because it gets to be a drain?
Absolutely.
If my only experience is being around a movie set, well,
I`m going to become real repetitive and just be doing the
same shit that you see. But I don`t think anybody should
be condemned for their choices, because we`re all
learning and we`re all stupid and you find kids that come
out of the middle of nowhere and they have no idea and
suddenly they`re thrust into the limelight and all this
hype around them. There`s a lot of pressure put on these
kids.
Would you ever do a
big-budget action movie?
I
would do one of those huge movies because I want to
experience it. I think it`s probably a lot easier for me
to do a scene in which I`m having an intimate
conversation with someone on a quiet little set than it
is to scream at a blue screen because I think a giant
dragon`s penis is trying to swallow me. That, to me, is
going to be a challenge.
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