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#1. Static vs Dynamic Testing - from Bob Badour
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:19:36 -0400 From: Bob Badour <73752.1624@compuserve.com> Subject: Static vs Dynamic Testing >Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:21:58 PDT >From: "Juan Castro" <castrojuan@hotmail.com> >Subject: Tim Ryan and HIT Digest #109 >...In HIT Digest #109 Mr. Badour and myself >raise some questions about your friction arguments. I raised a lot of questions, Juan, and you raised even more. It would not surprize me if nobody has answers to those questions yet. What little I know of biology tells me that every question answered raises dozens of new questions. Tim Ryan gave eight reasons arguing for static strength tests and against dynamic tests. I am interested in your opinion regarding strength measurements since you have a physics background: Do you believe that static friction confounds static measurements by such a wide margin that it completely overshadows the seven other factors Tim identified? Are you arguing that dynamic tests provide greater precision and accuracy? Perhaps you could answer one of the questions I raised in HIT Digest #109. I think it is the question most like to have a quick answer: Are the eight factors given by Time an exhaustive list of confounding factors for strength measurement? If other factors affect strength measurements, what are they? I haven't thought of any yet. On the subject of strength measurements, my opinions so far are: 1. Precise, accurate measurements are extremely difficult to make. 2. Uncompensated friction errors limit the meaningful precision of both dynamic and static tests. 3. Static tests limit or eliminate the error contribution of seven confounding factors. 4. I suspect that static tests yield finer meaningful precision in a clinical setting. I still do not have any idea what precisions are meaningful in different settings. For instance, in tests of bench-press strength, what is the meaningful precision? +/- 1lb? +/- 5lbs? +/- 10lbs? Bob
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#2. Re: superslow/speed,reflex training - from Matthew K Overly
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:44:10 -0500 From: "Matthew K Overly" <matthewko@goshen.edu> Subject: Re: superslow/speed,reflex training In HIT Digest 123 Fred Hatfield II wrote, >>The SAID principle (Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands) states that you will gain strength in the paths you train in. To get fast, you must train fast! If you train slow, you will be slow! Of course, skill has a lot to do with it. >>Superslow may indeed cause some strength gain, but it will not help your reflexes or speed as a goal tender! Does a stronger muscle allow for quicker reactions? Even if the stronger muscle is bulkier? I've been taught the more muscleyou have the stronger you are. But does more strength mean quiker reflexes? If you have more "stuff" (muscle) to move, would it be harder to move it? Or does having more mucle move quicker because it is muscle and it was made to move? I'm trying to state the same question in a number of different ways so that [I] understand what I'm asking. Matt Overly
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#3. Dinosaur Training - from Kevin Dye
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:41:46 +0930 From: "Kevin Dye" <kevind@picknowl.com.au> Subject: Dinosaur Training I want to say that Dinosaur Training is one of the most practical books amongst my twenty year collection. On the first read I could sense that Brooks simply wanted to share practical methods that would be applicable to trainees who craved strength and size, which is a far cry from the bull**** that is spread around the bodybuilding world and [unfortunately] believed by the majority of gullible 'don't know any betters'. Why is DT so great? Because it's overall message revolves around the three B's. Basic, Brief, & Brutal. These three factors are the bases of any truly effective routine, if size and strength are the criteria. So why others slam Brooks and his theories is beyond me??? Sure, not everything seems practical for every trainee out there, but there remains a multitude of information that is! We all know that the basics are the most result producing movements in existance, and they are also the most demanding. DT elimates the "woosy" moves that we all get hung up with from time to time [I use to be an instructor, so I know that this is true], and concentrates on what exercises get the job done RIGHT! If only more people would use the basics as they should be used [hard and infrequent], there would be a whole lot more muscle in the world in a very short span of time. GUARANTEED!!! Regards Kevin Dye [kevind@picknowl.com.au]
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#4. Re: HIT Digest #124 - from Greg German
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg German <greenman27@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HIT Digest #124 Help! The amount of material I am reading and the contradictions between authors have left me quite confused. I would appreciate any help with this problem: I want to get in shape without the assisstance of a personal trainer (which I cannot afford) and without injury. I am a 46 yo male 5'10'' and 230 lbs that aren't anywhere near consisting of mostly lean muscle mass. My goal is to weigh 185lbs of hard and defined muscle mass with between 8-10% fat. Am I asking for too much here? I am familiar with HIT and Superslow and Heavy Duty and Jones and Darden and Mentzer and Hutchins and . . . cannot figure out where a beginner starts. What routines are best? How much cardio---really? Some or none or...? If anyone would like to offer me some advice my mind and ears (eyes) are open! I really could use some help fast! Thanks, Greg
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#5. Re: SAID - from Brad Collins
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 05:39:03 PDT From: "Brad Collins" <bcollins@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: SAID Mr. Fred Hatfield Jr wrote: > >The SAID principle (Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands) states >that you will gain strength in the paths you train in. To get fast, >you must train fast! If you train slow, you will be slow! Of >course, skill has a lot to do with it. Doesn't skill have everything to do with it??? You can't MAKE someone fast nor will they be slow by training slow. I hope you are kidding? >Superslow may indeed cause some strength gain, but it will not help >your reflexes or speed as a goal tender! To be a good goal tender, practice being a goal tender. Simple. There are numerous athletes with great SKILL who don't/didn't do CAT, plyo's, and ballastic movements. Wayne Gretzky comes to mind. I am sure he was/is a hulking, speedy mass and trained for speed (whatever that is). I don't think so. I believe I just saw that Derik Atkins is trained under Leistner (since high school). I believe he was the 400 meter hurdle Olympic champ? I am sure he would have been better if he performed explosive movements in the gym? Hey, who was that guy that Brzycki just mentioned in his Reflections that did the best in the FREE WEIGHT bench press at the NFL camp? Didn't he come from a non-explosive movement program? Brad
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#6. FW: Skill = Speed - from Don Gwinn
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:06:09 -0500 From: Don Gwinn <dgwinn@monm.edu> Subject: FW: Skill = Speed <The SAID principle (Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands) states that you will gain strength in the paths you train in. To get fast, you must train fast! If you train slow, you will be slow! Of course, skill has a lot to do with it.> I'm new to this list (mostly I "lurk" to quote a certain HITer) and I'm NOT a strength professional, but I'd like to add 2 cents to Mr. Hatfield's comments on training fast. First, an observation/question: I recently began studying Shorin-Ryu Karate with a friend. She is capable of punching with such speed that I am unable to block even when I know where to expect the punch, because she has built great speed and skill in that movement. However, she spends only about 1/3 of her basics practice time (30 of her 90 punches) punching at anything near full speed and almost never spars at that speed. The other 60 repetitions are done carefully at slow speeds in order to build skill. If training slow makes you slow, why is my friend not slow? The answer, I believe, is that she has developed great SKILL and the speed followed. Don Gwinn dgwinn@monm.edu http://geocities.datacellar.net/Athens/Olympus/6297/ Author of the Five Words. 4-time UFFC (Ultimate Fake Fighting Championship) Superfight Champion.