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For all of you that are wondering whether Hammer Strengh is being sold I've heard from a source that is very close to the fellas at Hammer that, yes, it is a done deal. Being from Cincinnati and all, I'm gonna miss em'. I've worked out in their showroom from time to time, and I love it. It is just a great atmosphere to train in.
> One other question. Are there any HITers out there that are using "The Zone" diet advocated by Dr Barry Sears with success for gaining mass? I was thinking of following this diet to cut back bodyfat levels some (and less painfully than the ketogenic diets!), but I'm wondering if's perhaps suboptimal for muscle mass gain? Ideas anyone?
A Zone or ISO-type diet can do very well for mass gains. I believe nitrogen retention should be higher (than a higher-carb diet), but so too may fat accumulation (as excess fat is easily stored).
> > Could someone please give me Lyle McDonalds' e-mail address. I've been wanting to send mail to the Nutri-Muscle Q+A, but the University's Netscape will not allow mail to go out directly through Netscape.
lylemcd@onr.com
> > I heard recently from a friend that it is detremental to eat immediatly after a workout. Currently I take creatine right after working out and wait about 40 minutes to eat. What are the opinions concerning post workout meals after training HIT?
For the majority of people training, it is more beneficial than not to have a post-workout meal (immediately after training). Such a meal should consist of high-GI carbohydrates, along the order of 1.5-2 grams per kilogram of bodyweight. Along with this, a moderate amount of protein should be consumed (I have not seen a definitive calculation, but assume it should be something like, .5g/kg bodyweight). Fat should be avoided at this meal.
The purpose is to re-glycogenate the musculature, taking advantage of the increased insulin sensitivity therein post-exercise. IMO the addition of protein is two-fold; first to use the insulin response and 'drive' aminos into the muscle, and second to reduce the insulin response somewhat to hamper 'spill-over' into other cells (ie: fat cells).
I believe the rationale in not having a meal post-exercise, is because the resultant stress elevates GH output. If indeed this is the reason, I feel it is very poor logic.
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I always go to the Muscle Media site and see what Charles Poliquin has to say. Normally, interesting. Then I see this from this month's mag when someone asked about training to failure (if it was really reader input):
Here is part of what he said...
Poliquin quote:
The only people I’ve seen who’ve made significant gains training to absolute failure had the following in common:
1.They were big-time amphetamine users who disguised their animalistic training drive by claiming it was caused by reading Nietzsche or listening to Wagner prior to training. (Hey, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining!)
2.They were serious steroid users/abusers: i.e., taking 2,000-3,000 mg of various testosterones a week, stacked with 100-300 mg of orals a day.
3.They all suffered from torn biceps, pecs, lats, or quadriceps, as the obsession with making progress in training loads generally leads to improper technique and subsequent injury. One Mr. Olympia finalist tore a biceps muscle training in this fashion, loosely curling 85-lb dumbbells on the Scott bench. A more reasonable weight in the neighborhood of 55 lbs would have allowed him to curl in good form and avoid injury. 4.They all suffered from adrenal exhaustion and paranoia. See reason #1.
End of Quote.
I have a hard to time believing he said this with a serious look on his face. ESPECIALLY, if any of you have seen what is under the readers comment section on Cyberpump! On the same Muscle Media site, you have one of the WINNERS of the EAS contest saying he trained using HIT. Yet, Brad Wadlow had to pass a drug test for the contest!
If you read #1 above, it looks like he has something against Mentzer which is clouding his answer.
I am really surprised he even made that statements above. I guess there must be a lot of people on this list who do drugs, have adrenal burnout, and have blown out muscles. HA!
Brad
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> > >I heard recently from a friend that it is detremental to eat immediatly after a workout. Currently I take creatine right after working out and wait about 40 minutes to eat. What are the opinions concerning post workout meals after training HIT?
What possible rationale did your friend give? Wait, I know, better GH release if you wait to eat, right? Great, so you get increased GH (which NOONE has ever shown to improve muscle mass) and ruin post-workout recovery and glycogen resynthesis. 1.5 grams carbs/kg lean body mass and about half as much protien (works out to about 100 grams carbs and 50 grams protein for average sized person) is the accepted formula for post workout recovery (FWIW, one study found this INCREASED post workout GH and insulin release). Immeditely after training (with creatine since you're taking it already) then eat a real meal about 2 hours later.
Ok, I have just stared out using a HIT-like workout about 2 months ago, so I don't know that much about the workouts. I have been using the Zone diet for about 4 months now with good success. I first used the Zone to drop from 320 pounds to 297 pounds *while increasing* my strength. This took me about 8 weeks to do. My measurements on my bodyparts also = increased to some extent. I have adjusted the Zone diet now by adding fat blocks to my diet and am adding about 2-3 pounds per week for the last couple weeks while I have been doing this. I wish I had access to some bodyfat measurement equipment, but the general consensus among non-interested parties is that my definition is continuing to increase even while on the weight gain portion of this diet. Hope this helps.
Cliff
Has anyone had success with the HDII program prescribed in Mentzer's book? It seems that he has as many disbelievers as believers out there...
Hi guys
I have got some questions according to Heavy Duty.
1. Mentzer recommends not to switch exercises mentioned in his book. I can't do dips (no equipment). Is there any good substitution for dips ?
2. What is pullover (as a warm-up for back), how one should perform it, I mean pullover mentioned in Mentzer Heavy Duty II System ? I can't do it on Nautilus because I'm working at home.
Thanks in advance
Biniu