HIT Digest #197

Thursday, October 08, 1998 20:01:17

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: HIT Digest #196 - from Master of Disaster
#2. Re: Dan Riley - from Sonofsquat@aol.com
#3. Re: - from Petko Mikhailov
#4. Re:questions about ... and workout frequency - from Coutts,Burns [NCR]
#5. questions about Dan Riley #196 - from PRSNLFTNSS@aol.com
#6. Water loss - from hackyin' hank
#7. Newbie - from Shawn T Be'llon
#8. Re: Shot put - from Shawn T Be'llon
#9. Re: Daryl and his freaking calves - from Shawn T Be'llon
#10. more Beyond Brawn - from Lyle McDonald
#11. Weight Training and Back Injuries - from axtomas
#12. Strength Training and Ju Jitsu - from Amtmann, John

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#1. Re: HIT Digest #196 - from Master of Disaster
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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:26:43 -0400 From: Master of Disaster <wlucke@vt.edu> Subject: Re: HIT Digest #196 >Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:06:12 +0930 >From: "Kevin" <kevind@picknowl.com.au> >Subject: BIG shortcomings >Here they are in order of easiest to hardest to tolerate, and remember that >these issues are taboo subjects, so you might not be aware of them or their >infringement on your life. > >* Broken veins on my feet! This was initial quite shocking, and was the >direct result from carrying the new weight. Visually this looks like small >red freckles, and I thought that I'd burnt my feet or something. This isn't >isolated to just the foot region either, as it goes up to about half my calf >area! That's wierd. This has never happened to me. Are you sure it's associated with your new weight? It would not make sense that it would be anywhere but the soles of your feet, but some pretty strange things have happened... >* My legs rub together worse than ever. This has led to some sore, red >patches that get itchy and throb, which tends to make me avoid walking as >much as possible. Sitting has become a sought after passion. This used to happen to me. I guess I developd caluses or something, because it doesn't anymore, unless I spend the entire day on my feet in jeans. So I guess if you stay patient, it will correct itself. >* Constant sweating, which is an uncomfortable way to get through the day. >At work I'm sweating all day, but as I can't strip off I'm forced to bear it >the best I can, which makes for great discomfort. With summer fast >approaching, I can only guess as to what I'll do to get through the hot >season. As far as I know, most large folk go through this. Volume makes heat and surface area dissipates it. However, surface area is proportional to the square of girth, while volume is proportional to the cube of girth. Hence, heat production goes up faster than heat dissipation. You'll probably get used to that to some extent. It still bothers me, although not as badly as it used to. >* Sleep depravation. I am finding it harder and harder to find that 'sweet >spot' that will allow me to sleep comfortably, and when I do finally find it >I cut off circulation to either my arms, legs, chest, ect. ! This happens to me a little bit, sometimes more than others. Can't offer any hope here. >* Tiolet visits, especially when it involves paper!!! Last week I strained >my bicep twice, and the strain it places on the whole body is something on >the line of torture. I dread these self torture sessions, and the less I >have to endure these the better. No comment. >So there you have an inside description of the downside to getting bigger. I >know that it's my chosing, so in reality I can only blame myself, but I >really didn't give a second thought to any of these issues as I've never >heard anyone else talk about them. I'm keeping with my plan to get to 110 >kgs before I diet down, so I imagine that the issues I'm dealing with now >will only get more intense in the next month or so. It's a price I'll have >to pay, but one that was unexpected. I can only dread to think what someone >like Yates goes through!!! > >Kevin How about Greg Kovacs? I hear rumors that he outweighs Yates. Here's to excessive BW and the resultant frightening levels of strength! William H. Lucke IV

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#2. Re: Dan Riley - from Sonofsquat@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:29:05 EDT From: Sonofsquat@aol.com Subject: Re: Dan Riley I had the pleasure of meeting Coach Riley while I was at James Madison. His son is now pitching there and while I don't have an update on his performance, he was a hot prospect! Dan's position has not changed. He has been published recently (at least several times since 1980 and I'm sure Matt B. can further expound) and I like the guy. He certainly is a sincere gentleman. The one point I heard from him was that the players on the Redskins wanted to train with machines, so that is the route he took when structuring the Skin's weightroom. I applaud him in one sense, after all, you need to get the folks in there! However, I don't subscribe to many of his point of views and I wonder if he was letting the "inmates run the asylum". That's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that it is conditioning that makes a team. Furthermore, it is the linemen which run the team and all a lineman need do (on offense anyway) is get in the way for a mere 3 seconds (this is coming from a high school football coach I was associated with). But they must do it time and time again! Dan Riley.... He's a good coach. He could do better, but that is a matter of differences in philosophies. However, has he trained his athletes in the past to do that. Despite our differences in opinion, I must say he is a honorable gentleman!

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#3. Re: - from Petko Mikhailov
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:19:16 +0200 From: "Petko Mikhailov" <petkom@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:03:56 -0700 From: robartw@FTC-I.NET Subject: Cylical Ketogenic diet. Eric, Ketogenic diets are generally hard to follow, becuase you will be craving carbs seriously. Actaully, there is a diet plan out there that works even better(it did for me and numerous others)than the ketogenic diet and is extremely simple and easy to follow. No, it's not some wacked out grapefruit diet, or equivalent. It's an actual diet that works with your body, not against it, and allows you to get completely ripped a lot faster than you ever thought possible. Check out www.donlemmon.com to get all the details. Good luck with your training. Best wishes, Rob(No, not one of the moderators. Just an average subscriber to the list. Course, what can you say, all of us great guys are named Rob). -----End of Original Message----- Rob, I visited that page. Now. if you are trying to help the readers of the readers of this digest and not to sell them (us) the "secret" why not just tell us in plain English what it is all about? I guess we are all somewhat prejudiced about buying "secrets" of any sort. Please be nice and save us the buck. ;-) Sincerely, Petko tel: +3592 543 055 (work) tel: +3592 881 483 [home] fax: +3592 580 814 voice: +3590 179 252 765 e-mail: petkom@bigfoot.com web: http://listen.to/Petko web-to-page: http://mobikom.com/page.html#252765 http://www.bol.bg/page/252765 ICQ#: 9014001 Web-to-ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/9014001 e-mail-to-ICQ: 9014001@pager.mirabilis.com Snail mail: P.O.Box 26 Sofia - 1404 Bulgaria

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#4. Re:questions about ... and workout frequency - from Coutts,Burns [NCR]
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:42:14 -0400 From: "Coutts,Burns [NCR]" <Burns.Coutts@EC.GC.CA> Subject: Re:questions about ... and workout frequency > Weav54@aol.com wrote: >Also, I practice jiu-jitsu once per week. The workout is very draining. If I >want to lift weights twice per week, when should I schedule these >workouts in relation to jiu-jitsu practice? one workout before practice? >the day after? a day between? My strategy w.r.t. martial arts and weights is as follows: Tues & Thurs a.m.: weights (push/pull split) Tues & Thurs p.m.: muay thai (thai kickboxing) Saturday: alternate between bagwork one week and legs plus deadlifts the next week. The disadvantage to this strategy is that Tuesday and Thursday nights find me pretty crushed, often twitching incoherently on the couch - I appreciate how draining a high intensity MA workout can be. Advantage is that I have MWF and Sunday as off days for recovery/life/getting mileage with our husky. When I thought through how I would approach this workload, I decided that I would rather have several days completely off and several days completely 'on', rather than doing something almost every day of the week. Much easier (to my mind, anyway) on the body's recuperative ability, not to mention easier on my ability to have a life outside the gym! Other advantage is that you can (and should) eat tons o' food of virtually any sort and pay absolutely no price!! YMMV. (and I'm withholding any snide commentary (aside from this bracket) on Andrew Baye's thoughts on the merits of martial arts training) Burns Coutts

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#5. questions about Dan Riley #196 - from PRSNLFTNSS@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:33:20 EDT From: PRSNLFTNSS@aol.com Subject: questions about Dan Riley #196 I commented on changes that I saw in Dan's philosophy. My comments were challenged by the Princeton Strength Coach. As a result, Dan offered an open invitation to all on the Digest to visit him. Certainly someone has taken him up on his offer and can now provide your answer. Pete LaChance

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#6. Water loss - from hackyin' hank
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:56:33 PDT From: "hackyin' hank" <footbagfred@hotmail.com> Subject: Water loss Hey all of you HIT-ers out there. Before I ask my question, I'd best give some personal information about myself: I'm a 16 year old male, 5'7", I weight 160 pounds, body fat of 7-10%, and I just started working out yesterday. My question isn't about weight training, I've read about all that I need to know to create a work out that will work for me, my question is: how do I drop water-weight? I don't have tons, but there is just that layer covering my body that I used to think was fat, but later came to realize that it's just water. Is there some type of diet that I should follow? I can't seem to find out any information about the subject, so any help would be appreciated. I guess that I should say that I drink two liters (1/2 gallon) of water daily, and I have a very controlled low-sodium diet. Thanks for any advice that you all have to offer. JOSE (I am mysterious!!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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#7. Newbie - from Shawn T Be'llon
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:39:51 -0500 From: ivan_and_princess@juno.com (Shawn T Be'llon) Subject: Newbie Ok. I am a virtual newbie to HIT. I do love Dr. Ken though. I feel he is such an awesome coach for powerlifters. ANyway, I becnh 365, squat 405x20, deadlift 455x15. I try to stick to the basics, lift till I puke, eat right with H2O, and sleep. But what about aerobics? Sprints? I do need to take care of the ticker. Any advice? STB "The Future"

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#8. Re: Shot put - from Shawn T Be'llon
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:53:45 -0500 From: ivan_and_princess@juno.com (Shawn T Be'llon) Subject: Re: Shot put > As far as stats: > 5'4 > 180 > 17" arms > 34" waist > 47"chest > 49"shoulders > 20"thighs > 13"calves and forearms > btw, I can get down to 9% and 29"waist if I use a no carb diet. >>Can you get taller ? All the good shot putters I've seen are big AND tall. >>Yehoshua Zohar Are you sure that HE isn't the shot put? :-) Seriously though, he needs to work on the thighs. Putting is all hips and legs plus some technique. I only threw 47' in high school but when my hips "snapped" the ball flew! Hey maybe he should do some cleans too! :-) HA!!!!!!!

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#9. Re: Daryl and his freaking calves - from Shawn T Be'llon
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:48:01 -0500 From: ivan_and_princess@juno.com (Shawn T Be'llon) Subject: Re: Daryl and his freaking calves Yes, please rell me how I can get my calves to grow. I really suck with my calves, and having 28" thighs makes it worse. :-) STB "The Future"

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#10. more Beyond Brawn - from Lyle McDonald
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:10:41 -0500 (CDT) From: lylemcd@onr.com (Lyle McDonald) Subject: more Beyond Brawn Just a note that Stuart has put a brief excerpt from the first chapter of Beyond Brawn up over at the Cyberpump web page. http://geocities.datacellar.net/Colosseum/4000/common/bbex2.html Lyle McDonald, CSCS "Chemical warfare, chemical warfare, chemical warfare, warfare, WARFARE!" - The Dead Kennedys

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#11. Weight Training and Back Injuries - from axtomas
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:21:28 -0400 From: por1axt@por10.med.navy.mil (axtomas) Subject: Weight Training and Back Injuries This might be of interest to the group: Based on 1995 and 1996 data (USA). "Weight training results in a surprising amount of visits to hospital emergency rooms". Among men, about 20% involve the low back. Based on 1995 and 1996 emergency room visits (56,430 and 54,337), weight lifting complaints were the 3rd most common exercise-related injuries; (behind exercise without equipment and trampolines. There were 9 deaths related to weight training (4 involving children 14 years old or younger). The most common injuries for men: -20% low back -11% shoulder -9% upper trunk For women: -19% finger -15% toes -12% low back -8% foot -8% face All fatalities occured in males; 8 of the 9 involving asphyxiation through neck/chest compression (at least 6 of them performing a bench press at home). The recommendations from the researchers: -men should never sacrifice technique in order to handle heavy resistance. (a bit ego??) -women should be instructed on the safe handling of weights. Overall a safe activity, being only 3 times as dangerous as walking or gardening. Cheers, Andrew Tomas

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#12. Strength Training and Ju Jitsu - from Amtmann, John
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:55:47 -0600 From: "Amtmann, John" <JAmtmann@mtech.edu> Subject: Strength Training and Ju Jitsu In response to Jim's question regarding strength training and Ju Jitsu: Jim, A couple of factors to keep in mind: * What intensity will the ju jitsu (jj) workout be? If it's just kata work, or other low intensity work on form then the workout may be equivalent to a mild aerobic workout, and will effect the body's ability to recover (from a strength workout) differently than if the jj workout will be high intensity randori. * My own preference is to strength train before the ju jitsu workout. I have to be careful of injuries, however, when "rolling" after a good strength workout. In these situations, I concentrate on control and I'm prepared to tap-out at any moment (leaving my ego at the door helps). * Whether you strength train before or after judo/jj training might be influenced by which sport you're more serious about. If you're more interested in improving your performance in judo/jj, then holding off on the strength training until after the judo/jj workout may be the way to go. Let me know what you think, John Amtmann: jamtmann@po1.mtech.edu

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