From: gerald <gerald@evestamail.com>

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:44:43

To: WalterMartin@mail.serve.com

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Subject: WM: RE: WOF/Fred Price

>Dave wrote:

He has addressed this on the question and answer section you've pasted on this page. He does not say they have developed unbelief all the time. "Sometimes" it is...but then, as Dr. Price on said "we don't understand everything...we just have to trust God and leave things in His hands."

Gerald

If this is what he is teacing now I am encouraged.

 

>Dave wrote:

Fred Price said that his wife never drank water. She always drank coffee, cola, etc. And this brought on the cancer. It had nothing to do with "positive confession." It was her lifestyle and not taking care of her body by taking in the right foods and drinks. She also acknowledged that. They told this on their program once. It was very touching. The Hagin's referred the Price's to a Cancer Specialist who eventually used some type of radiation to target the cancer and destroy it. So they are not against doctors. I think by going through this ordeal, it really has caused them to be more compassionate for those who are dealing with sickness.

Gerald

Again if this is the case it is encouraging that it has caused them to be more compassionate, but how do they know this is what brought on the cancer?

 

>Dave:

Dr. Price even said that if you had all the faith in the world and still ate junk food, people will have all kinds of physical complications that they bring upon themselves. He speaks of properly taking care of our bodies by exercising, eating right, etc.

Gerald

I definitely agree with that.

 

>Dave wrote:

They are not so quick to point out why so and so died of a sickness. Again, many WOF ministers in the last 2 yrs have died traggic deaths.

Gerald:

Yes, this is very true. There have been notable WOF followers who have died in recent years. In my opinion this is a good example that you cannot say healing of your physical body on earth is guaranteed in the atonement. I know the Copeland's say that healing of our sickness is no different than healing of our sins. That Jesus paid it all for both. We can be assured of salvation in this life, but not healing, as testified by the deaths of those you mention above.

 

>Dave wrote:

Of course, I believe that "faith" is a force. It certainly is not "personal". However, it's not a force like "electricity" but just a concept of accepting the message of the scriptures and applying them to our life.

Gerald

I believe our faith is in God and his promises in the Bible, but don't believe faith is a force. From other quotes I showed by the Copeland's and Charles Capps they definitely believe faith is a force, and is produced by our words. God used faith to speak the universe into existence, and we do the same thing by our words.

 

>Dave wrote:

Yes, I believe, and so do all WOF teachers, that physical healing was provided for in the atonement according to Matthew 8:16-17 and as prophecies by Isaiah

Gerald

I believe that physical healing is provided in the atonement as well, but is only guaranteed when we die and go to be with the Lord. From what I have read, the WOF teachers believe our healing is guaranteed before we die. That God always heals but it is not always received. These are exact words by the Copelands. If we do not receive it ,it is because we have done something to not cause it to manifest.

I beleive Isaiah 53:4-5 speaks of healing of our sins, not sickness. The word "rapha" used for healing is predominately used for physical healing, but is also used for non-physical healing as well. In my opinion this is the only verse the WOF teachers can try to use to say healing is guaranteed in the atonement.

Matthew 8:16-17 speaks of Jesus casting out demons and healing people, and then the verse in Isaiah 53:4 is quoted as the prophecy saying Jesus bare our griefs and sorrows. This prophecy was fulfilled before Jesus was crucified and thus is not part of the atonement. The second verse of Isiah 53:5 is not quoted as part of the fulfillment of the prophecy that by His stripes we are healed.

1 Pet 2:24 strictly speaks of sins, not sickness.

I believe Jesus can and does heal, but it is not guaranteed in the atonement as evidenced by those who did believe that it was, but died in their sickness believing in this teaching.

 

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