From: Dave <suprdave@lightspeed.net>

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:04:25

To: WalterMartin@mail.serve.com

Subject: WM: Trials and tribulations & Job

Gerald wrote:

> I am not sure I understand what is meant by saying "And sure, people have died of sickness...but they died in faith. I'd rather die in faith than not die with faith." Could you clarify what it means to die in faith? I think you are using a WOF definiton. I can understand if you die in faith believing Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Is this the context you are talking about? Or are you talking about faith in claiming and positively possessing your healing standing on the atonement, even though your healing may not be manifested?

Dave:

I'm talking about Hebrews 11:13. I inserted this verse at the end of my comment on Job, but maybe you didn't see it.

Gerald:

It is true that God restored Job with twice as much. Could you comment on Job 42:11 that says, "...and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the Lord had brought upon him." The WOF teachers teach that sickness is always from Satan and not God. Why doesn't the writer of Job say, "...and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that Satan had brought upon him."?

Dave:

In Job 1 & 2, we see satan asking permission from God to do such horrible things to Job. God "permitted" it. God did not cause this. However, He did allow satan to do that. So do we have a contradiction here or was both satan and God doing this to Job? If this is the case, I don't know if I'd want God and the devil both tormenting me. A person is really in trouble if that is the case. But no, the answer is that Job's sorest complaint, and indeed the sorrowful accent of all his complaints, on which he laid the greatest emphasis, was that God appeared against him. But now God plainly appeared for him, and watched over him to build and to plant, like as he had (at least in his apprehension) watched over him to pluck up and to throw down, . This put a new face upon his affairs immediately, and every thing now looked as pleasing and promising as before it had looked gloomy and frightful.

Now regarding Fred Price and medicine, yes, he did take it...but that does not mean a person lacks faith. Sometimes, that just seems like the right thing to do, especially when one wants immediate relief of pain. You need to write him and ask him about that. Let him answer for himself.