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Dr. Gary Glum: A personal friend of mine knew this woman, whose name I have promised not to reveal, who was living in Detroit, Michigan. Twenty years ago she had been diagnosed with cerical cancer in a Detroit hospital where she was eventually up as incurable and terminal. She was given about ten days to live. She convinced her husband to make a trip to Bracebridge, Canada where she went to see Rene Caisse. She was treated with the herbal remedy developed by Rene-- Essiac-- and in a short time she didn't have a cancer cell in her body. So after that time this woman began dedicateing her life to disseminating information about Essiac in the United States. When I met her, she was the only person in possesion of the original herbal formula who woul relinquish it . I got the formula for Essiac from her. That's how it began. When I started all I was a piece of paper. I thought, what am I going to do with this? I decided the best way to go would be to find the information behind Essiac and put it in book form and bring it to the world. I learned about Rene Caisse from Mary McPherson who was a very close personal friend of Rene's... not only a friend but also a patient, Mary's mother and her husband were also patients. They were all treated for cancer and cured by Rene. Mary worked with Rene begining in the 1930's and she had in her possession all these documents that had to do with Essiac over the 40 years Rene administered it . All the documents Rene had were destroyed by the Canadian Ministry of Health & Wefare at the time of her death in 1978. They burned all that information in fifty - five gallon drums behind her home .
ER: Why?
GG: Because they don;t want this information in the hands of the public or the press or anybody else. They indeed found out what Essiac was in 1937. The Royal Cancer Commission hearing had come to the same conclusions that Rene had -- that Essiac was a cure for cancer.
ER: What is Essiac exactly ?
GG: Essiac is a non-toxic herbal cure for cancer that's been with us since 1922. It's a formula made from for very common herbs.
ER: I would guess that virtualy every person in the U.S. today has been touched by cancer, either personally or through a loved one . If this information is true, and the effectiveness of this remedy is actually medically documented, many lives could be saved. Why do you think the information on Essiac is not more widely known?
GG: The information is withheld because cancer is the second largest revenue producing business in the world, next to the petrochemical business. Money and power suppress this truth . No one has ever sought to cure cancer --- only to control it . I mean the research institutes , federal governments phamaceutical companies, anybody that has a vested interest in the health care of cancer, including the American Cancer Society, the Canadian Cancer society, any of there so - called benefactors to those who have contracted this disease -- all of these institutions are involved in the money and power around cancer. These institutions have influnce over government and regulatory agencies such as the Food and drug Administration. The FDA recomends only allopatic treatments for cancer and other life threatening diseases. It does not approve nor make legal alternative treatments of any kind.
ER: You're saying that Essiac is in a position similar to , for example,Laetril.
GG: Yes, the only reason laetril was stopped-- and it couldn't be stopped any other way -- was through the insurance companies. The insurance companies sent down a directive to all allopathic physicians stating that they could not cover them in any malpractice suit in the event they were treating people with any substance not approved by the FDA
ER: In your book you mention that the Brusch Clinic in Massashusetts worked with Rene Caiisse and with Essiac, during the early 1960's. Is this clinic still doing research with Essiac?
GG: Dr. Charles A. Brusch is not practicing at this time. He was a personal physician to the late President John F. Kennedy. He also worked with the Presidential Cancer Commission, with others like Dr. Armand Hammer, the American cancer Society, and the Cancer Institute. Dr. Brusch presented his finding after ten years of research.He had come to the conclusion that, in his own words, "Essiac is a cure for cancer, period. All studies done at laboratories in the United States and Canada support this conclusion". Whereupon the federal government issued a gag order and said " you've got one of two choices, either you keep quiet about this or we'll haul you off to military prison and you'll never be heard of again." So we never heard annother word out of him. Brusch's Essiac patients included Ted Kennedy's son who had a sarcoma in his leg, and who had his leg amputated. He was being treated at that time by the Farber Cancer Institute in Boston Massachusetts. Dr. Farber dodn't know how to save him, because no one had ever lived with this type of sarcoma. So what he did was go to Dr. Brusch and say, how are we going to save Ted Kennedy's son? And Dr.Brusch made the suggestion to put him on Essiac and after they did, he didn't have a cancer cell in his body. But all this information has been hidden from the genera; public.
ER: Why?
GG: AsI said, money and power.
ER: Do you know whether the remedy is being used or tested any where today in the U.S. or Canada?
GG: Right now Essiac is being used in every state in the United States, its throughout Canada, into Mexico, its in Australila, Europe, Asia, and, recently, also in Africa. So the message of Essiac is beginning to make its way worldwide.. But it's still known only on a very limited basis. Of course now you also have the problem of herbal distributing companies throughout the world that are substituting yellow dock and curly dock for sheep's sorrel whichis one of the critical ingredients in Essiac. The sheep's sorrel is the herbal ingredient in Essiac that was found to be responsible of the destruction of cancer cells in the body. or their amalgamation where metastasized cancer cells actually return to the original tumor site. That research was done by Dr. Chester Stock at Sloan-Kettering in New York for over a three year period. But when they gathered that information, they withheld it from the general public - yet they gave it to the Canadian Ministry of Health & Welfare. The Canadian government then immediately banned that herb for sale and distribution.
ER: Banned a common weed like sheep's sorrel?
GG: Yes sheep's sorrel is just a common weed that grows in abundance throughout North Americaa and into Canada. Just a common weed. (Note: After this interview was completed, Wildfire Learned form an herbalist in Canada that the Canadian government has recently banned St. Johns Wort, also a common weed frequently used by herbalists.)
ER: Well it seems that banning sheep's sorrel would not be very effective if you could identify it for yourself.
GG: Yes, it's just a question of identifying the plant and then harvesting it correctly and drying it properly and then putting it together,with the other herbs. Rene would harvest the sheep's sorrel-=Rumex acetosella- twhen it was 4 to 6 inches high. She cut it back and it would grow up agoin, and she'd cut it back again. She would do that about three times and then she would let it go to seed. It will grow to 14 to 18 inches. She would take the herb cutting home and lay them out at room temperature to dry them. She'd let the cutting sit there for three or four days before she'd begin turning the herbs. Then she'd turn them every two days until they were properly dry, which took about ten days to two weeks It takes about a bushel of harvested sheep's sorrel to produce one pound of the dried powdered herb which is used in the formula.
ER: Do you have the formula? It's not in your book. You do mention a video in the book.
GG: Yes,I have it. Anyone can get it from me, free of charge. We don't sell the vedio anymore.We simply mail the formula to anyone who asks for it.
ER: SunBear told me you had problems getting the book published and distributed. What kind of problems?
GG: There wasn't a publishing company that would publish it. No one wanted to run the risk of a worngful death suit. So I published it myself. And as soon as I did the IRS came in and slapped about a half a million dollars in tax liens against me and said," you know this has got nothing to do with taxes, It's all about cancer," They actually started hauling the pallets of booksout of my medical practice offices and conficatig them. I also had thousands of books that wre confiscated by the Canadian government at customs. I have never received any of those books back> The only ones I have now are hidden in storage facilities.
ER: That's incredible, whey so you think they were so interested in keeping this book out of circulation?
GG: Money and power, as I've said. Cancer is the largest revenue producng business in the world next to the petrochemical business. In Canada the book is being held up by the Ministry of Health & Welfare because they say it is "advertiisng."
ER: Advertising what? The vedio you won't sell anymore?
GG: No,a cure for cancer.
ER: Can you explain what you meant by the publishers' fearing a wrongful death suit?
GG: What you are dealing with is giveing people a formula that they can make and use in the privacy of their own homes without the approval of the AMA or FDA or anybody else> If any attorney or any family member should decide, fo what ever reason, some one expired was from the use of Essiac, then you are putting yourself up for a wrongful death suit. The contention is that if it isn't approved by the FDA, there's no legallity in useing it when you're dealing with a life threatening disease. When Rene Caisse set up her clinical trials in Canada to test Essiac, she was given government permission to treat terminally ill cancer patients who had been given up for hopless by the medical profession. That was one criteria. Secondly, this was all to be certified by a pathology report. And third, she could not charge anything for her services, She agreed to all these criteria and procceeded to treat people with Essiac.Many she treated were still there 35 years later to bury her when she died at the age 90. The best that anyone can do is just try to disseminate this information to the public and let people make their own choices.That's all you can do. And just say, look, if you feel that Essiac has value in your life and the lives of your loved ones, you have the right to make this remedy and use it in the privacy of your own home and without anyone's approval. You know, in 1937 Essiac came within three votes of being legalized as a treatment for cancer. People had gathered over fifty five thousand signatures on a petition to allow Rene to continue to use Essiac. The only reason the vote fell short, she found out years later, was that the College of Physicians and Surgons met and said to parliament,if you don't respond to the political pressure and legalizeEssiac, then we'll take a sincere look and give this woman a foir hearing. So Parliament didn't legalize Essiac. So following the Royal Cancer Comission hearings, Rene was allowed to continue her practice but only wihtin the criteria I mentioned before, which allowed the Ministry of Health & Welfare to restrict people's access to Essic treatments/ I know this because I have a copy of the hearing transcripts which I got from Mary McPherson,which is some of the information that did not get burned when Rene died.
ER: You mentioned that earlier. What exactly was burned?
GG: All her reasearch for that 40-yr period of time> All the names, all her clilnical data that she had collected. Her files and records.
ER: What about the records fo the Brusch clinic? it seems these would be convinceing evidence.
GG: As far as I know all that material has been destroyed also. I knew Rene had worked with Dr.Brusch from 1959 to 1962, so I went to Dr. Brusch'e home in Cambridge, Massachusetts whereupon he delivered to me the only material he had left in his files on Essiac. One of those files was his own personal file where he had treated and cured his own cancer with Essiac. I have his personal records . All the information in my book is verified by a sheet of paper with a signature and a date on it, and those sheets and signaturs are all originals. They are not copies .
ER: Have you had any personal experiences with Essiac?
GG: yes, I can give you an example.He was a twelve year old boy named Toby Wood. He had acute lymphoblastic, which is one of the most virulent of all leukemias.He had been on chemotherapy four years and radiation for three. His mother's only hope in life was to find a cure for him. She went every where. She tried every alternative treatment. Her last stop was Dr.Alvazados in Athens, Greece where her son's white cell count was 186,000. He had no red blood cells and no plaa6telets. He was hemorrhaging to death. So they transfused Toby in Greece and put him on a plane to Alaska where he was given less than five days to live. I methis mother's sister in Los Angeles whie I was putting together the book and she asked if there wasany credibility here. We sat down and talked. She then borrowed the money for a flight to Anchorage, and delivered a bottle of Essiac By the she got there Toby was given the Essiac and all the hemorrhaging stopped within 24 hours.. Within three months all his blood test were normal. I arrived in Alaska later that year and met him. Toby Wood did die, and we finally found a pathologist who would do an exhaustive autopsy. We knew that he didn't have leukemia any more. We wanted to find out the cause of death. It took four months to get the report back. The pathologist autopsied the brain, testicles. and all life suppors organs, includeing bone marrow. No blast cells were found in any life support organ. No blast cells wre found in thebone marrow. There were a few stray cells in the testicles and in the brain. Cause of death was damage to the myocardial sac of the heart, a result of the chemotherapy. Thes was the first report anywhere in mecical history of anyone surviveing lymphoblastic leukemia. That information was taken to the AP and UPI but they said it was not newsworthy. Our information on Essiac has been sent around the world twice through Publisher's Weekly magazine in a huge two page ad. We recieved no resposes at all from any publishing company world wide, no producers, directors, through the United States, no talk show programs, none of that. We can't access the media. Infact we talked to Philip Scheffler, producer of 60 minutes. He read the book and we called him to ask what he was going to do about it . He said nothing. I said, all the information in the book is verifiable. In other words, it's the truth. I said, if you are 60 minutes why don't you expose me and Essiac as a fraud. He said, nope cann't do it . We took it to Joe Donally who's the executive news producer for ABC in New York. We asked why not give it to Peter Jennings, Geraldo Reevira, Ted Koppel, one of those. He said, nope. We asked why not. He said because his phone lines would be invaded with 65,000 phone calls. He went on to say he's got a mortgage on his house and he's looking toward retirement. So thats the problem. No one wants this information disseminated. And it's not all just the media, either. It includes the herbal companies who are now subistuting the curly dock for sheep's sorrel. So people are getting the wrong ingredients fot Essiac, not to mention the five or six other formulas that are circulateing which are different from the one I send out. These false formulas are being disseminated. There is a disinformation campaign going on here, somehow.
ER: Has this disinformation campagn started just since your book has been out?
GG: Previous to my book, none of this information was available to the general public at all. The publilc had no information outside of a few assorted articles. Certainly the Essiac formula was not available to the general public at all. All that information was held gy the Resperin Corporation in Toronto, Canada, which supposedly is a private institution. However, they work hand in glove with the Canadian Ministry of Health & welfare, who worls directly with the American Food & Drug Administration and the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Maryland. The Essiac formula was never given to anyone by Resperin.
ER: Did the Resperin Corporation do any research on Essiac?
GG: They've done research since 1978 when the formula was relinquished to them by Rene for the purchase price of one dollar. As soon as they got the formula, they told Rene they had no futher use for her. She had been under the distinct impression from the Ministry of Health & Welfare ahd the Resperin Corporation that she was to lead the research activities that they so desperately wanted to put together. But Rene had already done clinical trials. She had names and records. She thought the Resperin Coropration was politically powerful and had money enough to get Essiac into the public sector without compromoising her values. Then she found out the Corporation was working closely with the government and administration and the Ministry of Health & Welfare. So now people who were terminally illand given up as hopeless had to go through a federal bureaucratic maze to get the remedy. By then, for most of these people, it was too late. But even when people were cured, that information was not released to the public. Resperin ran research tests on Essiac. One test was conducted in Northern Canada and the documents were falsified. For example one man was listed as dead who a few months later knocked on Rene's door and said, you know I want to thank you for the Essiac and being part of this experimental program. Yet he was listed as dead in the project findings.
ER: It's beginning to seem amazing to me that any information at all about this remedy has survived the "conspiracy of silence" or out right destruction of records and so on.
GG: The only reason Essiac is known today is by word of mouth and because Essiac is what it is. What will keep Essiac known is it's effectiveness. Rene said it years ago. She said, look, if Essiac doesn't have any merit let me put it out there. if it doesn't have merit it will kill itself. Of course she knew full well if people had the correct herbs, the remedy would stand on its own. And that is exactly what Essiac has done over this period of time that we've been disseminaating the information. Rene found that Essiac would normalize the thyroid gland. My wife was on two grains of thyroid since the sixth grade. After I met her, she started takeing Essiac, and she hasn't taken a grain of thyroid since. Rene also found that Essiac was a strong preventive. These findings were substantiated by Dr. Albert Schatz at Temple University who discovered the cure for tuberulosis. Rene also found that Essiac would heal stomach ulcers within three or four weeks. She felt that ulcers were the precursor to cancer. Sir Frederick Banting, the co-discoverer of insulin, wanted to work with Rene. She had clinical cases where a person on insulin discontinued it with the Essia, since no one knew how Essiac would interact with the insulin. Apparently Essiac regulated the pancreas in cases of diaberes mellitu. So these people then became insullin-free. Another thing I've found with Essiac is that I've experienced almost perfect health. As you get older you think, well I'm forty now, these things happen.. Well, these things don't have to happen. Since i've taken Essiac, I've experienced almost perfect health. It's amazeing. I sleep like a baby, have all kinds of energy, and no sickness, not even cold or flu. I also worked with the AIDS Project in Los Angeles through their Long Beach and San Pedro districts. They sent 179 patients home to die. They all had pneumocystis carinii and histoplasmosis. Their weight was down to about 100 pounds. Their T-4 cell counts were less then ten. The Project gave me five of these patients. I took them off the AZT and the DDI and put them on Essiac three times a day. Those are the only ones alive today. The other 174 are dead.
ER: That is incredible - but what kind of lives are they leading today?
GG: They're exercising three times a day, eating three meals a day. Their weight is back to normal. For all intents and purposes you wouldn't know that they were sick. But this information is not being disseminated either, because AIDS is on the horizon as another big money maker. The chairman of the AIDS Project makes over $100,000.00 a year. Even the alternative health care professionals are out there to control, not to cure. Alternative medical practice is just as mercenary and deceptive as the allopathic. No one wants a cure for cancer or AIDS.
ER: So, in your own personal experience, this herbal remedy works to - I'm going to just quote you here and say "cure" - cancer, thyroid conditions, diabetes, AIDS, ulcers...
GG: It also cures the common cold. Essiac elevates the immune system. I've been taking an ounce a day for seven years, and in seven years I haven't had a cold, flu, or virus.
ER: And all of this from a simple Native herbal remedy?
GG: Yes. Although Rene did alter it. She altered it with Turkish rhubarb root (Rheum palmatum). Turkish rhubarb has a 5,000 year history. It actually came up from India into China and then was taken by the British.
ER: Turkish rhubarb root is not native in this country, more available here. Herbals from foreign countries are fumigated and irradiated, so is it a good idea to use the Turkish rhubarb?
GG: You can subsitute rhubarb root. The other two ingredients are burdock root (Arctium lappa) and the inner bark of the slippery elm (Ulmus fulva). They are easy to obtain, usally. Sheep's sorrel, Rumex acetosella, is what destroys the cancer cells. The other three herbs are blood purifiers. Essiac elevates the enzyme system and gives all cancer patients and all AIDS patients the enzymes that have been destroyed. Essiac elevates the enzyme system; it elevates the hormone system, which elevates the immune system, so the body can cure its own disease.