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Moderator: Jerry Rodder,
We had another fine night at OrchidSafari with a record number of attendees (38). Best of all 18 were there before 8 p.m...and two were visitors - hope we see them again! If your given name and location do not show, I don't have it - though I feel I should have some of them! Please resend (marylois@prysm.net> Looks like we all respond well to a shorter topic format; i.e., from 8:00 Central sharp, ending at 9:00 Central...giving an opportunity for pre-topic and post-topic chat. Present were 37:
JR000 (Jerry Rodder) marylois JR000 Ellen,Smithtown,New York
WBS, Wed 15 Apr 98
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sparkysteve (Boca Raton FL)
KB Barrett (Northern CA)
marylois
BarbJA (Barbara - Wisconsin)
nodosa (Ed Wright, San Antonio)
J*8lek
Josh319 (Joshua - IA)
paulav (Paula - So FL)
harold6820 (Dallas TX
Evlyn (Northwest Louisiana)
152.163.205.219 (visiting)
bmtorchids (Barbara, Martinez CA)
orchidnut (Sam - Nebraska)
55SS (James - Fresno CA)
Jane5536 (L.I., NY)
JCY8S (Arcadia CA)
BCPRESS (Bert)
digorchids (Doug - Houston TX)
yoshiko2
soobie me
WGuill (Wilton, Central LA)
Richard WPB
Tex1Dan (Wharton TX)
206.87.90.148 (visiting)
Phals (Bob Gordon - CA)
ABUCALANTHE
marorchid (Mario - CA)
uncleearl (Vacaville CA)
Native Heart (So FL)
Fleur (Tasmania)
emddvm11 (Mike Douglass
Ellen (Smithtown, New York)
kawacym (JimK)
gaillevy (Boca Raton FL)
Carol Holdren (Boca Raton FL)
Jerry! We can start when you are ready Jerry (in 5 minutes) - need to get done in one hour so these folks can 'chat' *S* - I will break in a time or two with your statement re full disclosure.
Hi, Lois. Anytime is ok with me.
Can we ask some general questions about fertilizing?
marylois
Hi, all - well - then let's begin *S* Folks, Jerry is here to tell you all about Wündergrow and Wünderbloom and how to use them. He will NOT "discuss is the composition of the fertilizer. I really don't like to be that way but there is a broad patent application in the works and, assuming there are no additional difficulties, I will be happy to discuss some parts of the formula later."OK, let's find out about all this wunderment! *S*
digorchids (Doug from Houston, TX area)
Ed, tell us about the testing on Wunder stuff you conducted.
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
Is it available on the east coast?
JR000
Yes, it is available in the US. I ship everything from CA.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, is it a balanced formula to use year round?
JR000
Ellen: There are two formulas. Quite similar to most fertilizers. There is a GROW and BLOOM.
digorchids (Doug from Houston, TX area)
Not having read the instructions, what part per gallon of water do you recommend for your Wunder products, Jerry?
JR000
Doug: Anywhere from 1 -3 tsp/gal depending on the light and type of plant.
long summer days, use 2 tsp/gal. For Cattleyas, Dendrobiums, Oncidium, and Vandas, 3 tsp/gal. is sufficient.--JR]
[It might be helpful to remember that a tsp = teaspoon. Tsp/tbsp = tablespoon, and there are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon *G* --KB]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Before you leave us, leave an address.
[http://www.wundergrow.com/...mlg]
paulav (Paula in Boca Raton, Florida)
Hi, all. Jerry, can Wundergrow be stored at room temperature, or should it be refrigerated to preserve freshness? Is it photosensitive?
JR000
Paula: So far as I know it can be stored at room temperature indefinitely. It does not require refrigeration.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry do you alternate or use by season?
[I use the grow formula from Feb. to Oct., then switch to the bloom formula. Like other bloom formulas this one also has a smaller % of nitrogen. I realize that the (few) summer blooming plants don't get the bloom formula but I can't change the schedule for just a few plants. --JR]
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
Jerry, I've been using Wunderbloom @ 1 tbsp. to 1 gal. of R.O. water, every other week. My GH is very bright, full sun with shade cloths. Any comments?
[If the R.O. water removes the calcium, it should be replaced. Every fourth watering, flush out the salts, then fertilize with a small amount of calcium nitrate (I'm guessing at maybe 1/4 tsp/gal). --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
I've been using it 2 tsps to a gallon, just got started.
[I believe there is bright light where you are. Again, up to 2 tsp/gal for the Phals etc.; 3 tsp/gal for Catt. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
What are the advantages over other fertilizers?
[More compact growth, full shiny pseudobulbs with Catts, more new growth, the fir bark doesn't get mushy, more tolerant to high light conditions, better with low humidity and higher temperatures, and about 5 years from a 3" pot to a specimen plant in a 12" pot. --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
>From what I understand at this time of the year I am supposed to use the grow formula not the bloom, is this correct?
[yes --JR]
JR000
Gail: 2 tsp/gal is a good place to start. With Catts, Den., etc. I use 3 tsp/gal in the summertime when the days are long. For shade plants such as Phals and Paphs- 1-2 tsp/gal. For Catts 3 tsp/gal .
[Last year I used 6 tsp/gal for the Catts etc. That was really too concentrated. I am now using 3 tsp/gal with better results. --JR]
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
Ed, could you briefly give us your experience w/WGrow?
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Hey, all. This is Jerry's show. If he wants me to testify, he'll rattle my cage. **GG**
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry can you start with why you felt a new product was necessary?
[As an inventor, I will try anything new that will show improved results. This project began after reading a short column in the paper. It almost ended after the first failure but, having a few chemicals around, I continued. It was mostly a lot of luck, trying different formulas, and having some patience. It is really something anyone could have, and should have, done before me. Some day I will describe the details. It is almost interesting. --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
I have alot of odd plants, bulbophyllums, and other various small species. Does this matter?
[I, and others, have applied the fertilizer to many types of orchids. It appears to have positive results with everything so far. But there have not been any exhaustive tests yet. --JR]
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
Rattle!!! Unbiased view. Is it better than Dyna-Gro?
[I will let others speak for the various fertilizers. However I have done comparisons with 3 well known fertilizers and so far I'm sleeping well at night. --JR]
JR000
Ed: I believe they would be interested in your experiences in Texas.
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
Is this liquid or powder?
[It is available in liquid form. --JR]
Richard in West Palm Beach
I've been using 1Tbs/gal once a week and alternating WGrow and WBloom. I assume that WBloom stimulates root growth? Anyway the results after about two months are great!
[Both formulas stimulate root growth; more growth with the grow formula. --JR]
marorchid
I dumped my Dyna-Gro.
[I suppose I should take trade-ins. --JR]
JR000
I don't have too many species but they have done well with the fertilizer.
digorchids (Doug from Houston, TX area)
Doug waits for Ed to answer bell...
JCY8S (John in Arcadia, CA)
Jerry - If you use 2-4 tsps how often do you use it?
[First, I am now using a maximum of 3 tsp/gal. I water one day and fertilize the following day. The watering schedule is 5-7 days in the summer and up to 6 weeks in the winter. You will also get good results if you fertilize every other watering. --JR]
JR000
Jane: It is supplied in liquid form.
marorchid
I started using wundergrow last july or so...I now use it on everything including my lawn and the vegtable garden.
[Some people also use it on everything in the yard. I think it is rather expensive to use it as a lawn fertilizer. --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
Mario, isn't that quite expensive?
JR000
John: I fertilize every time after watering. But it is not necessary to fertilize that frequently. At Maplethorpe orchids the Phal grew so large that they fertilize them once/month.
yoshiko2
Currently, I use a very diluted solution of fertilizer everytime I water my plants. Should I continue to do this with Wundergrow using the recommended dilution?
[If the solution is too dilute the results are not noticeable. --JR]
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
We ran some tests for another client, as you know, Jerry. Matter of fact, we ran them reluctantly because we had heard 'miracle potions' too many times. Wündergrow did all that was promised and more. We only ran the test 60 days and got spectacular results (they are reported on the Wündergrow
web site). We put the test plants on the bench with everything else after the 60 days and recently, 2 plants out of the 6 in the optimum feed batch bloomed - a year ahead of schedule. We deal with results and Jerry's product delivers.
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
About the comment as to why Jerry made WG. Why did you feel the need to
develop it?
[This question was answered above --JR]
JCY8S (John in Arcadia, CA)
Jerry, That is what I have been doing. Water one day then fertilize the next once a month at 1 Tbs per gal.
marorchid
I have used the plant food on several species phal's and catts without any problems.
JR000
Ed: Why, thank you!
marorchid
It is worth the cost because there is nothing better than it. I would pay twice the price with the results that I get.
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
Sounds good Mario!
JR000
Wilton: If you were as old as I am, you would develop something that acts pronto.
Phals
Jerry...what quantity is necessary in a gallon of water to deliver 150 ppm of nitrogen for constant feeding?
JR000
Phals: Because the formula is different, the usual NPK ppm no longer applies.
Phals
Jerry...don't understand your answer; are we on some kind of patent grounds?
JR000
Phals: You are getting quite close.
Phals
Jerry...isn't there a federal law that requires the NKP contents to be listed on the package for fertilizers sold in the US?
JR000
If the fertilizer is on the retail shelf, the NPK is required. With shipping directly to the customer it is not required.
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Appreciate the thanks, Jerry, but if the results had been bad, we'd have said so in exactly the same way. Wündergrow produces on the bottom line and we have to make a living from our greenhouse work.
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
If it's good enough for Rev. Wright, it's good enough for me. Sounds like you have a winner, Jerry
[Thanks. I know that things look promising now but there will always be something better in the future. As this is my last hurrah, someone else will do the work. --JR]
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
How much is it?
JR000
The Grow is $24.50/gal. The Bloom is $23.00. [Both delivered to your door by UPS. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, I have fish emulsioned, chicken pooped, petered, dynogrowed...how is your product different?
[There are a couple of additives no one else uses and then the NPK is tailored to them. Hindsight says it shouldn't have taken that long. --JR]
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
Jerry, am I to understand that no other fertilizer is necessary when I use WG?
[If you have some calcium in the water, then nothing else is required. --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
Hey Ellen, how do you know what works?
JR000
Ellen: May I suggest you try it and you will see. I believe you will be pleased with the results.
55SS (James in Fresno )
How soon can one expect to see results?
[Usually after 3-6 applications. --JR]
JR000
James: I put on an orange tree which had done nothing for 4 years. Within one week there were new shoots everywhere.
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
BTW, Jerry, I've used the Bloom on all my Bonsai, Roses. They responded really well.
[Last year I tried it on a couple of newly planted bare root roses and the results were not anything exceptional. This year though, with an established root system, the results were spectacular. Others have commented how large their roses were after using the fertilizer. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, does it help compensate for less than perfect growing conditions?
[My greenhouse is purposely too hot, with low humidity, and very bright light. In spite of these conditions the plants have done quite well. However, we all know that there is no substitute for ideal growing conditions. --JR]
marorchid
Wundergrow has allowed me to increase the light levels and temperature in my greenhouse without any burning. The plants are growing faster and spike often.
JR000
It does well when there would be too much light for regular fertilizers. If the temperature can be kept reasonable, the plants can take more light.
JCY8S (John in Arcadia, CA)
Jerry - how long has the product been in use?
[I have used various formulas for 5 years. It was released to members of the Malihini Orchid Society 18 months ago. --JR] [The Malihini Society is the San Jose, CA orchid society --KB]
55SS (James in Fresno )
The NPK sources look very well thought out... Hmmm, maybe I can grow Masd.
[Masd. should not require much fertilizer. Start with 1 tsp/gal. A friend is using it on all his Masd. now. --JR]
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
Jerry... Can I use WG as a constant feed method?
JR000
Sam: I am not familiar with the constant feed method.
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
1/2 to 1/4 strength at every watering.
[It is better to use the recommended concentrations as stated above. There are optimum concentrations and you don't see much results if the fertilizer is used at 1/4 strength. --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
You are still supposed to water first - correct?
[Yes, at least 3 hours before fertilizing. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry will it help where there are less hours of light?
[The general rule is: more light, more fertilizer. I cannot comment on your conditions. Many use the fertilizer successfully indoors having artificial light. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, does it help rehabilitate plants that have been stressed?
[People have reported that plants that haven't bloomed before are now flowering. And it, in some cases, have brought back sick plants. But it is no miracle cure and if too much is applied, the plants will perish. I have killed more than my share during the experiments. --JR]
marorchid
Ellen, I have had a lot of luck saving sick plants with the fertilizer. Dendrobiums and cattleyas will usually spur new growths.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Thanks, marorchid. It's not that New Yorkers are doubting Thomases, but I have a greenhouse full of fertilizers.
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
Have there been any tests in the nortern climes where winters are quite dark?
[There was one report from NH where the days were overcast for much of the winter. The results were no better than the other fertilizer he was using. --JR]
JR000
It is not good practice to fertilize when the media is dry. That is why
I suggest that the plants be watered the day before or at least a few hours before.
Native Heart
Hi all, maybe this has been answered already, but my Dyna-Gro used to precipitate out and form crystals in the bottle, does your formula stay in solution?? Growing in Ft Lauderdale, FL
[I don't like to have my customers pay for shipping water so there is some precipitate at the bottom. One lady said there were crystals on the bottom when it was received in cold weather. After staying in the house where the temperature was warmer the crystals dissolved. --JR]
JR000
There is a small amount of precipitate in the container. If chilled more will be visible. Heating to room temperature will dissolve the particles.
Native Heart
HEATING is NO problem in south Florida *G* Can you send us all a fact sheet, storage, solution ratios, frequency etc????
[Soon there will be an instruction update on the website www.wundergrow.com. --JR]
JR000
I am getting some private mail. Could you please ask the questions at JRodder1@aol.com.
Thank you.
digorchids (Doug from Houston, TX area)
Jerry, has anyone conveyed results to you on paphs and phrags?
[It seems to do well with Paphs. I don't have much information on Phrags but do have one with a bud showing. I do know that too high a concentration (6 tsp/gal) will eventually kill the plant. Start with 2 tsp/gal. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Doug, that's a good question because I follow Nancy Volpe's schedule for phrags.
JCY8S (John in Arcadia, CA)
Doug - I have used it for 2 months on my phrags and I think that one of them had larger flowers and the other that bloomed had darker flowers.
55SS (James in Fresno )
Wow, that's good to hear. Doe it promote more growths on Paphs as well?
JR000
I can't grow Paphs (too hot and dry). However, one of the Paph growers said that she is getting 4 flower spikes when normally there is only one. I have a few Paphs and there is lots of growth.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry has anyone reported results from the northeast?
JR000
They are just starting to use it in the Northeast. Many people use it in NJ and midwest where they grow under lights. [Good results --JR]
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
I had a problem with the mixed solution becoming cloudy in 1 gal milk cont. Would this be a problem to the plants, and if I started using a non-light transmiting container, would it still happen?
[You probably had little milk in the container. The calcium in the milk precipitated as calcium sulfate. That is why there is no calcium in the formula --JR]
JR000
Sam: I have never had a problem with the diluted solution becoming cloudy. Was there something else in the container?
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
No...Just RO water
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Must it be used exclusively or can you use it in combination with other programs like Volpe's for phrags.
[As I mentioned previously there is not much information on phrags. Perhaps you can be our guiding light. --JR]
JR000
Ellen: I imagine you could alternate with other fertilizers. But the question is why.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, she recommends dried blood and bone meal twice a year in April and October to produce multiple growths.
[I cannot knock success. But dried blood is simply a source of nitrogen and bone meal of phosphorous. Neither of these products is readily available to the plant. One of the the interesting aspects of my fertilizer is that the chemicals are rapidly taken up by the roots --JR]
gaillevy ( Boca Raton, Fl)
Ellen, how will you know what is working? Try it on your slow growing Phrag!
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Sounds like a good idea, Gail.
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
How about on the slo-growing paph parvis -anyone?
[I'm in my second bottle of Wundergrow - that St. Swithin I've waited on for 5-6 years is in bloom, the Paph. Armeni White seedlings grown from flask has one in bud...coincidence? *S*...mlg]
BarbJA (Shivering in Wisconsin)
Jerry, what is the recommended dosage for phrags...? this might have already been answered, but it is a concern of mine since I am growing out several hundred...
[Start with just a few plants at 2 tsp/gal. I always tell people to test the fertilizer on a few plants because the conditions vary with the growers. Most people see good results and then do no further testing. You should be aware, though, that you may see a sudden spurt of growth, followed by a decline if too high a concentration of fertilizer is used. If the concentration is kept at 3 tsp/gal or less I believe the plants will respond sastisfactorily. --JR]
JR000
I believe it is the nitrogen in the dried blood that is producing the growth. My experience tells me that chemical fertilizer is much more effective in producing growth.
JCY8S (John in Arcadia, CA)
Jane - I have used it on my armeniacum and micranthum andv I think that after 2 months I do see some improved growth just starting.
BarbJA (Shivering in Wisconsin)
OK... Thanks. I was hesitant to go too strong and burn the leaf tips.
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Jerry, the phals and catts I'm using the Wundergrow on, are looking great. The phals have very shiny new leaves, many new roots. The catts have many new growths. Sometimes two from a bulb! I was very skeptical, but it works. It does take a little while to notice the difference, but since it's become warm,
they are really going to town! Do you have all the trace elements included in the Wundergrow?
[Yes, all the micro-nutrients are included. --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, does it make plants more disease resistant?
[I used to get aphids but they are no longer a problem. The fertilizer won't prevent the armored scale or boisduval scale. I can't imagine that the fertilizer will prevent viruses from affecting the plant. The plants are more pleasing to the eye, though. --JR]
marylois
Perhaps Mario could show a couple pictures of the specimen type plants grown with Wundergrow...
marorchid
These are Jerry's plants:Bc. Binosa 'Kirk', AM/AOS grown with Wundergrow and Bloom.
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
Just for the sake of asking.....Why do you suggest that you water plants first before applying the fert?
[The plants will take up too much of the fertilizer and you may get leaf burn. --JR]
JR000
Hi there, Dan. Yes, all the trace elements are included. The only element missing is calcium. There is usually enough in the water.
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
Same here John, on my Paph. micranthum and delenatii, the growth is much faster than before.
JR000
Sam: It is not good practice to fertilize a plant when the media is dry.
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
Why????
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Sam, watering before fertilizing is standard in a lot of commercial ranges. Gets the old salts and debris out of the pot and seasons medium and plant to receive fresh food. Jerry may correct me, but we don't flush using Wündergrow. We flush first and apply Wündergrow as an additive in a second light
watering.
JR000
Sam: This is really not my idea, but something I read in Bob Gordon's Phal book. It makes sense and I have always followed this procedure. At least water the plants 3 hours before fertilizing if the media is dry. If the media is damp I would guess you could fertilize directly.
Jane5536 ([L.I. N.Y.])
Thanks all on your parvi results.
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
Mario, the plants in your pix, do you use both Grow and Bloom? In what way?
uncleearl (Earl from Vacaville, CA)
When a plant is in dry media, it is under a degree of water stress. Thus, when you apply fertilizer, it is taken up very rapidly by the thirsty roots, thus possibly damaging or even killing them, and/or damaging the rest of the plant.
marorchid
These pictures are all Jerry's, but yes, I do use Wundergrow and bloom. I fertilize weekly 3 teaspoons a gallon.
JR000
One interesting aspect of the fertilizer is that it enhanced the flavor of our oranges. We are investigating its influence on other plants also.
WGuill (Wilton in Louisiana)
A good watering then light flushing of Wundergrow. Sounds quicker than 3 hours of flushing With Dyna-Gro.
[Water is less expensive than fertilizer for flushing. --JR]
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
I may be just lucky...but I have always used a more dilute solution of fert, and water as normal with that. I haven't had a problem with any salt build up.
[If the fertilizer is soluble then just watering should flush out most of the salts. --JR]
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Ed, are the roots as absorbant, do the plants take in as much fertilizer if you flush before fertilizing.
uncleearl (Earl from Vacaville, CA)
As long as the solution is sufficiently dilute, and you water when the media is still slightly moist, that is a good regime. No salt buildup because the plant is taking it all up.
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Jerry, we let some of your Grow drip on some Mansonia (iron cross Begonia)
and I've never seen such growth in my life. Plants are ready for sale in half the time and the color is superb.
[Last year we tested the fertilizer on some newly planted roses. The results were about the same as with rose fertilizer. However this spring the flowers were large (almost huge) with good color. Visitors couldn't believe the bushes were only one year old. This would indicate that it is necessary to establish a good root system so the plant can take up sufficient amounts of fertilizer. People with mature roses have reported more and unusually large flowers. --JR]
marorchid
Lc. Angel Heart 'Leslie Ann', CCM/AOS
JR000
orchidnut (Sam in Lincoln, NE)
That's what I'm assuming.... No salt build up, and I've got very good root growth..
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
Jerry, I do not water my Vandas before the Wunderbloom, since when the Vanda roots are wet, they will not take up any more water or the fert.
[My Vandas do well in pots with fir bark media. They are treated like Catts. --JR]
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Dan, others: roots are more absorbent when damp than when dry. There is a waxy coating on the velamen that stops water loss but it also slows absorption. When damp, the cells open and admit water into the interior of the root.
emddvm11 (Mike near Memphis)
Jerry, I have only been using the WG for a couple of months, and have been pleased with it except for vandaceous plants. I seem to be getting yellow leaves and the growth rate has not improved. Any ideas?
[If the Vandas are not in pots, it may be that you require a higher concentration or more frequent application so the plants get sufficient fertilizer. Have you tried putting the plants in pots? --JR]
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Jerry, I have two Dutch amaryllis under some vandas. They get all the waste water with Wundergrow! The blooms are humongous!! Largest ever!
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Thanks, Ed!
JR000
Barbara: I have several Vandas in 12" pots. One of them has 6 spikes on the main plant, 5 spikes on the keiki, and 1 spike coming from a new growth. Perhaps if the Vandas are in baskets the results are different.
marorchid
Blc. Campabello.
marorchid
Den. Singapore 'White Vivian'
Native Heart
So, the consensus is that we should water our plants, BEFORE we fertilize, except for Vandas?????
[I treat the Vandas like Catts. So far so good. --JR]
JR000
Mike: Are you getting sufficient light. You don't want to apply much fertilizer in the winter months. I fertilize only every 6-8 weeks in Jan. and that is with Bloom.
JR000
Native: I treat all my plants the same. The Paphs and Phals receive 1/2 the fertilizer that Catts and Den. do.
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, again, have you had reports of results from the northeast where the winters are dark?
[There has been only the one report from NH stating that there wasn't any difference between the fertilizers with overcast conditions. --JR]
bmtorchids (Barbara in sunny No. Calif,)
Jerry, the plants in these pictures, how long they've been on your formula?
[I've been experimenting with various formulas for 5 years. Probably 50% of the growth has been during the last 18 months. --JR]
Native Heart
JR, if we buy your product does it come with this information? Are you going to post the web site?
[yes --JR]
marorchid
Blc. Pamela Hetherinton 'Coronation', FCC/AOS
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Man after my own heart, Jerry. We treat them all the same, too. No time to give individual attention. We have some seedling Phals that have 2 spikes and 14 flowers - much better than we've ever done before. Superior breeding means a lot, of course, he said modestly!
[OK Ed, the superior fertilizer helps (modestly). --JR]
Ellen,Smithtown,New York
Jerry, post the prices and the address and web site.
[The prices are already listed. --JR]
emddvm11 (Mike near Memphis)
Jerry, They get plenty of light in a greenhouse. I do fertlize them weekly with WG and monthly with WB. Maybe too much.
[That is the schedule that I follow except that switching to bloom once a month probably doesn't do any good. But it should do no harm either. Everyone has their own way of doing things. Whatever works. There is still much to be learned about these formulas. --JR]
JR000
I started the project 5 years ago and continued to improve the formula. The final formula was released in Nov. 1996. That is when the good results really started.
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Jerry, you have a very complimentary letter on your page from David Grove, one of the finest growers in the NE and one of the best Vanda growers anywhere.
[I have had considerable correspondence with Dr. Grove. He is a very careful and competent grower and an all around nice person. --JR]
kawacym (Jim in San Jose, Ca.)
Ellen, check Jerry's website at
http://www.wundergrow.com, all ordering info there.
JR000
Mike: www.wundergrow.com will get you there. We will post additional information as it comes in. There is some recent information in the 'instructions' section.
Phals
Jerry...thanks for coming. Rest now. -Bob Gordon
marorchid
This is one of mine Lc. Canhamiana.
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Jerry, when I started, it was very slow noticing differences, but once you hit a threshhold, and especially the days lengthen and temps warm. Things change fast! I fertilize pots individually, due to my smaller collection, you really notice major differences, provided your taking care of the plants other needs.
JR000
If there are additional questions just ask Ed Wright!
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Jerry, I don't think we've mentioned how much more sun tolerant Wündergrow plants become. We can boost light levels way up after a short period of using Wündergrow. That's when super growth really gets moving.
KB Barrett
Jerry, are you ever going to sell a combined product? Like a balanced fertilizer version? Instead of the 'Grow' and 'bloom' versions? Or if not, can we mix the two together to get a balanced fert?
[If you want to use just one product, use the grow. The Encyclia tampensis received an AM of 80 points and a CCM of 88 points using just the grow formula. For the outside garden (flowers and vegetables) I would suggest using just grow. --JR]
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Ed, you're right. More light and the warmer temps, my phals and catts are really growing. So many double growths on the catts!
JR000
KB: It is a good idea but it won't work with this fertilizer. There was an article by a Japanese scientist who analyzed the pseudobulbs of Catts. It is surprising how small amount of K and P is retained in the plant.
Tex1 Dan (Dan from Wharton, Texas)
Jim K. How does your phal in the ProMix look with the Wundergrow?
KB Barrett
Then why sell a 'Bloom'?
[By lowering the percentage nitrogen more of the plant's energy goes into flower production and less to vegetative growth. --JR]
marylois
Must announce - must have a new attendance record - we peaked at 30 on line at one time - but when those who had to come and leave, I'm sure it will be over the record of 32. Proves the interest in WUNDERGROW, Jerry!
JR000
Mary Lois, it was really a pleasure to be here. The people are really nice. Forgive me if I missed any of the questions.
marylois
Not to worry - the transcript will be sent to you to edit - add, expand, change at will *S*
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Great program, Jerry! Hope you'll come again.
JR000
Marylois: I do mostly prototype work. I require at least 5-6,000 chances.
marylois
Yes, Jerry - very useful info - can't say we're not 'timely' at OS [on cutting edge of new products!] ...if you can, please hang around for some chat.
kawacym (Jim in San Jose, Ca.)
Dan, it is looking pretty good. 3 new leaves in last 6 months plus a flower stem is 8" long.
JR000
KB: It is different, but not necessarily balanced.
marylois
Ah, Jerry - but we see your results. Breathtaking. Gonna give these ol' plants another try...been on wundergrow a few weeks - and do look happier.
Fleur (Tasmania )
Is it available here?
[Because of the chemicals I won't ship via air. Someday the problem will have to be resolved by having manufacturing facilities at various locations. Please be patient although I realize that is not a very good solution. --JR]
KB Barrett
Thanks! I'll wait for the printed results when you get your patent.
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Jerry, we didn't study the Wünderbloom, but I find it promotes flowers if used well ahead of the actual blooming season. My guess would be about 4 months ahead. What is your experience?
[That is the schedule I use. --JR]
bmtorchids (Barbara from sunny No. Calif.)
Ed, I used the Bloom, not the Grow, 90% of my Phals have double spikes.
Native Heart
Jerry, great info, got your site bookmarked, thanks.
JR000
Thank you, Native.
JR000
Barbara: There is considerable growth with the Bloom. Perhaps I should add Round-up to the formula [joke --JR].
nodosa (Ed in SAT)
Might work, Jerry. Some of the old herbicides like 2-4-5T and 2-4-D acted like fertilizers in dilute solutions. [historical data only *G*...mlg]
JR000
Thank y'all for listening. I hope to see you soon. Good night.
marylois
Nite, Jerry - many thanks - come often!!
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