| Humans will never be able to resurect themselves. | |
| I take it that you undrstand completely how it is that we are existing now sincs that proposition entails such. | |
| Listen, to say that I have to know how it is that we are in order to consider the future is ludicrous. | |
| The statement only sounded that way as if you were an expert on these affairs. | |
| I understand that the number of components and their hiearchy of interactions is something that humans -cannot- figure out !! | |
| Then it is impossible that I exist now? | |
| No. A human could not make you exist. | |
| Right, I forgot, it takes two humans to cause me to exist. | |
| This is not even a rational conversation since you are not taking what I say seriously. | |
| How so? | |
| Two humans cause a process to begin that is responsible for something a human could not perform. | |
| Then all that I would need to do is get this -process- down and then cause it to unfold? | |
| As far as human reproduction is concerned. | |
| Then you don't think that it will be possible to learn how to simulate this process? | |
| No! Even though we start this process during the sexual act, we will -never- be able to understand it or control it. | |
| Embryologists seem to understand the basis and genetisists even alter the process while in action by giving drugs to alter known developemental problems. | |
| They don't know enough about these processes to simulate them. | |
| Artificial Life programs have simulated the embryological process of certain plants and inscects, down to each cell and it's movement and interaction with other cells around them. | |
| Not the same. Plants and inscects are at a simpler level of complexity than humans and higher animals. | |
| If we don't know these processes now, well enough to simulate them, then how long will this situation persist? | |
| FOREVER | |
| You can predict that far into the future? | |
| No! I am saying that a human can never learn how to create and control all of the steps required for human consciousness. | |
| Then if we can create some sort of machine that can understand all of these things, then we could make it create humans? | |
| How would you create a machine that performs actions that could not be concieved by the builders? | |
| Isn't this what we do when we plant a seed or move a herd of farm animals? Even a dog has got that one down. | |
| Again you twist my meanings. If we cannot create this process, how could we create a machine that could do so? | |
| Maybe we could build a machine that could build the machine which could then build us. | |
| All that you think you have to do to slip out of the arguments is add another layer. Who do you think you are? | |
| Socrates | |
| I will have to at least concede that machines could change my position but still contend that we could not figure these things out ourselves. | |
| You and I have come about by a developemental process where matter is configured in a way that allows our consciousness to proceed as usual. Our nervous systems are relatively small when compared with many of the objects around us. Even though there are tens of trillions of nerve cells what really is going to stop us from creating a perfect replica of these objects? | |
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