RADHA'S RE-INCARNATION AS VASANTHA SAI
(CONCLUDING PART 2 OF INTERVIEW)
RUHELA :
Did you have any dream about Radha?
VASANTHA :
No
RUHELA :
How do you worship Swami?
VASANTHA :
I used to do japam, dhyanam, chanting of slokas, Vishnu Sahasranamam, Baba Sahasranamam etc. Swami asked me to stop all those things, as they were not necessary for me. He asked me, “What is the purpose of doing japam and dhyanam? To attract God. You do not need japam and dhyanam.”
Whenever I close my eyes in meditation, Swami comes and I repeat again and again “Swami. I love Swami. Swami Venum, Swami Venum (I want Swami, I want Swami). I used to ask Swami, “Take me away immediately from the world. I don’t like the world – the people, book, fame. I want Swami only.” I asked Swami to create a separate Prasanthi valley for us. Swami created a Silver Island (described in my book “ Liberation! Here Itself! Right Now!”) for us two. Swami used to console me, saying “To uplift the humanity, you have to do several services to humanity. It is very easy to approach Me. Through you many people will be enlightened and will adopt the ways and means to attain Me. You are “Jagat Guru” (Universal Master). People all over will get divine feelings on seeing your physical body, and also even if they just think of you and also by sending letters to you.”
First I used to worship Krishna as my Mother, Friend and Guru. At a later stage I loved and worshipped Him as my Divine Lover. About 15-20 years back I was considering Krishna as a small child. Then once child Krishna came to me from backside. I got that feeling, I used to write letters to Swami considering Him as the Mother and myself as His child.
RUHELA :You are advising devotees who approach you for help in their ailments and problems to recite the mantra “Om Sri Sai Vasantha Sayeeshaya Namah” which is said to have been given to you by Swami (Sri Sathya Sai Baba). How did you get this mantra from Him?
VASANTHA :I have mentioned it in my book. Nirmala from London had family problems. She wrote a letter to me about them and asked me to suggest her a suitable mantra. I prayed to Swami to give me a suitable mantra to chant to overcome her problems soon. Her letter had reached me on 23rd May 1998. I kept her letter in the puja room of Dr. Kothandarama’s house at Paramakudi. They used to keep one pen and some paper on Swami’s chair. Immediately this mantra was written by Swami on that paper miraculously. It was found out by one devotee there. Thus we received this mantra. During my meditation Swami confirmed that He only had written the mantra. Swami asked me to send it to her (Nirmala) and also said that it can be chanted by other devotees and all other people – it will cure diseases, solve family problems, fnancial problems, educational problems etc. Swami asked me in my meditation to write this mantra in vibuthi on the tongue of the person to whom it is given. Many students have been benefited by it. Several devotees’ letters received by me are proofs for the effectiveness of this mantra. They are here – you can see them. Many devotees have been cured by reciting this powerful mantra. Here is this person Mr. Muthu Ramalingam from Madurai. You ask him how he was cured of his ailment which he himself, despite being a homeopath, could not cure.
RUHELA :Mr. Muthu Ramalingam, will you kindly tell me how you got cured by this mantra suggested by Mother Vasantha Sai?
MUTHU RAMALINGAM:There was a dropsy (swelling ) in my right leg. I could not stretch it. I was cured by Amma (Mother Vasantha) having divine instrutions from Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Amma provided Vibuthi prasad on the affected part and cured it in a day with the help of this mantra. There has been no problem since that day. Now I am walking freely. Only yesterday (on June 19, 1999) Amma gave me “Dhanvantri Shakti” at the bank of river Tungabhadra near Mantralaya at 8 A.M. After getting her blessings, my body is now feeling free and weightless and my mind too is feeling the same.
RUHELA :What is the reaction or attitude of your devotees to your claim of being the re-incarnation of Lord Krishna’s beloved Radha?
VASANTHA :You put this question to K.S. Venkataraman who is here. He will answer it.
RUHELA :Mr. Venkataraman, will you kindly tell me about it?
KSV RAMAN :The devotees of Amma believe in Amma’s words, because they have full faith that Amma is the re-incarnation of Radha. There are two reasons for this. One, all their problems are solved; and two, they get “Madhura Bhava” (Love) towards Sri Sathya Sai Baba. They get peace of mind and the base for doing bhakti. Till now no body has questioned her claim. After reading her book “Liberation! Here Itself! Right Now!” their mind is elevated to higher level. That is the proof for Amma being re-incarnation of Radha.
Recently this book has been published in Kannada and Malayalam languages. So many Malayalese are greatly influenced by it. Every month on second Saturday, Kerala devotees come from different places in Kerala for Amma’s darshan at Vadakkampatti.
RUHELA :Amma, why did you marry, when, from your very childhood you had been so much devoted to God’s worship?
VASANTHA :Only my father and grand mother wanted me to get married because I was the only child to my father. I had no mother; she had died when I was a child. They forced me to marry.
RUHEL :What is the reaction or co-operation of your husband Mr. Manoharan to your belief that you are the re-incarnation of Radha and your devotion towards Swami (Sri Sathya Sai Baba)?
VASANTHA : He believes me. He is always co-operative in my devotion and activities. All the members of my family are co-operative towards me.KSV RAMAN :
Previously her (Vasantha’s) family was very rich. In their village Vadakkampatti, they had several lands and servants. At present they have lost all their lands. Now they have only one big house in their village. They have lost their lands due to failure of monsoon and loss of money. Her father had spent a lot of money on the welfare of the community at that time as he was a Gandhian, freedom-fighter and social worker.
RUHELA :What education did Amma receive?KSV RAMAN :
She studied up to XI class in OCPM school, Madurai. It is a Christian school, having English Medium. She studied till 1955-56 and got I division in XI class. She lived in the school hostel during her studies there
RUHELA :Amma! What are the sources of your family income?
KSV RAMAN :Let me tell you this. They deposited a huge amount – Rs. 6.00 lakh (One lakh is equivalent to 100 thousands) in Madras Motor Finance Company 5 years back. They lost all their money two years back, as that company closed down. They worked as representatives of that Finance company and they collected finances from their villagers and deposited them with the company. They used to receive interest from the finance company every year. After the closure of the finance company, they (Mr. Manoharan and Mr. Vasantha Manoharan) thought that it was their duty to refund to the villagers their lost money although the villagers had directly deposited their funds with that motor finance company and they received only commission from the company. Since they are important people (her husband Mr. Manoharan is President, village Panchayat), they refunded the entire funds of the villagers by selling off all their properties in the village excepting the house in which they now live.
Now they are dependent on their younger son’s income. He has done BBA (Bachelor in Business Administration) and is working as a teacher in a school. He gets Rs. 3000/- per month. His wife is also teacher in a distant school.
RUHELA :Amma, what about your other children?
VASANTHA :
I have three children. The first one is daughter Kaveri. She is 40 years old. She lives with her family in a far off village. The second one is son Arvind, 38 years old. The third one is son Manivarannam, 36 years old. My daughter has one son. My second son has two sons. My third son has only one daughter. Swami revealed to me in meditation that my daughter was a Gopi named ‘ Nandini’ during Krishna’s time, and my grand daughter ‘Vaishnavi’ was also a Gopi named ‘Swarnamalika’.
RUHELA :Is Amma accepted by Sai devotees/Sai Samiti of Madurai, Mr Venkataraman?
KSV RAMAN :Yes, they approach Amma often for her services. Lot of Sai Samiti people visit Amma’s house and participate in Holy Lamp Puja, Guru Purnima, Siva Rathri, Rama Navami, Baba’s Birth Day, Gokulaashtami functions etc., which she celebrates with enthusiasm. She herself cooks food for her so many daily guests and for scores of people on the festival days.
RUHELA :
Amma, what is your daily schedule?
VASANTHA :
My daily schedule at my house in Vadakkampatti is:
3 to 3.30 A.M. : Get up
4 to 5.00 A.M. : Meditation
6 to 7.00 A.M. : Bath, Abhishekam, Aarthi
7 to 8.30 A.M. : Preparing grand children,son, household duties
9 A.M. : Taking food, i..e., breakfast
4.P.M. : Meditation
6 P.M. : Cooking Food, taking food
I do all the cooking and other household work myself. My daughter-in-law is a teacher in a far-off schoold, so I only have to do all cooking and all other household work and also prepare her children for school. On every second Saturday and Sunday about 10 – 15 devotees from Kerala come to my house; they stay with me in my house for two days. I only prepare their food, breakfast etc.
KSV RAMAN :There is no shop or place for taking food in her humble village.
RUHELA :Amma, what are some of the most significant and memorable experiences of your life ?
VASANTHA :My father was a freedom-fighter. He was a staunch devotee of Lord Vihnu. We belong to Reddiar caste of agricultural people. He was a staunch follower of Gita. My mother Dedavalli was Krishna devotee. She died when I was only 6-7 years old. She was always crying like me for liberation. My father and mother brought me up in a deeply religious, disciplined and regulated manner. They shaped my personality. After my mother’s death, my father did not re-marry, but brought me up with love and care. I remember my parents’ contribution as such most of my life.
RUHELA :Will you kindly describe some of your significant spiritual experiences?
VASANTHA :I have had many significant spiritual experiences. Let me mention some of them to you.
I had Vishwaroop Darshans of our Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. I used to ask for physcial darshan of Swami at Kodai Kanal, Whitefiled or Puttaparthi. Swami gave me Vishwaroopa darshans on 6th April 1997 and on 4th October 1997.
I was chanting “Om Namo Narayana”. I was having Krishna statue. That statue grew up to sky level. The Krishna form then changed into Sai Baba’s form. It was a very big figure. Wherever I turned I found legs and hands of Swami. I could not see it fully because it expanded in all directions. I found Swami’s eyes in all direction. All His eyes were looking towards all events in the world created by Bhagavan. He heard all sounds in the Universe without changing anything. At all places His legs and hands were found. He had surrounded all places. Swami told me, “Everything is expanding in all directions, in all places. I reside in your heart because it gives Me much pleasure. That is a more loveable place. I am everywhere, but you want to see Me at Kodai Kanal. Whitefield or Puttaparthi. Why do you have contradictory feelings? Swami is everywhere. I am Sarvavyapi (All pervading) You come to see Me at Puttparthi or Whitefiled, but I am at all places in the world."
In the Vishwaroop darshan, the height of Baba’s feet was the actual height of Baba. Inside His mouth all the world was seen coming.
I had another Vishwaroop darshan on 19th June 1998 while I was in Meditation. Swami gradually grew to a very big height between the earth and sky. He had very big mouth. Many people were crushed therein. It was a very fearful figure. But I worshipped Him without fear. Swami told me, “You see My figure. All the rivers in the Universe are My nerves. All the rivers are running in Me and mountains and this hills are on My head. Rishis are there on the one side, Yakshaas are on the other side. There are 84 lakh kinds of creatures. You see men, animals, birds etc. My one eye represents Sun, and the other eye, Moon. Agni (Fire) is there in My middle (Third) eye. Both Devas and Rishis are praying Me, I am kaal (Time). I am the Creator and Destroyer, but men think that they are doing everything and making others do all those things. I am responsible for the entire world. There is no beginning or end. I am bottomless time (Kaal.)
Swami told me, “you are a very fortunate woman to have had this Vishwaroop darshan. None had this to this level yet.”
One day I asked Swami, “Why am I crying (weeping) for you always?” Swami said, “ You are Ardha nariswar (50 percent Siva and 50 percent Parvathi. Since you occupy 50 percent in Me and I occupy 50 percent in you, it is natural for you to cry to merge in Me.”
Swami told me, “Even a person (any person) who tries to do Bhakti (devotion) for months together can not reach your position. Such persons cannot enjoy such bliss, because you are My 50 percent part and parcel. You have come as Purnavatar of Radha. That is why, you are getting maximum bliss. So Swami’s entire bliss goes to you. Radha is symbol of love, she is sweet, So you are.”
Once Swami told me:
“When I am Vishnu, you are Lakshmi; when I am Brahma, you are Saraswati; when I am Siva, you are Parvathi, when I am Lord Venkateswara, you are Alamelumanga or Padmavati>’
One week before this, Swami had told me to go to Tirumala. I saw Baba’s face on Lord Venkateswara’s statue and Swami asked me to come near that statue. He told me: “I am in Tirupati as Lord Venkateswhara. You are Alamelumanga (Lakshmi or Padmavati)”
Once Swami told me: “ I am at Puttaparthi. You are at Vadakkampati. We cannot join together, just as Lord Venkateshwara and Lakshmi can not join together.”
On 9th March, 1998 Swami took me to the underworld (Paathaal Loka). First we walked to the sea, then gradually we entered the sea. Suddenly we found a town under the sea. We saw a huge building: it was some Emperor’s building. On the entrance Sudarshan Chakra (Lord Krishna’s disc) was there. One strong man came and took me and Swami and offered Simhaasan (Throne) to Swami. He offered puja (worship) to Swami. Immediately that Sudarshan Chakra came in the hands of Swami. After that we came out of that palace. We saw Pathaal Loka.
I have daily contact with Swami in my meditation. I have Sambhaashan (dialogue) with Him. He says , “ It creates a good vibration throughout the world. These vibrations fight evil things. The same vibrations must be absorbed by suitable sadhaka who wants Swami’s Bhakti” Swami compares it with radio wave.
RUHELA :What will be your total age in this birth? Do you have any knowledge of it.?
VASANTHA :According to Naadi readings, I will live upto the age of 80 years, i.e., upto the year 2018
KSV RAMAN :It is heard that Swami has told some one that He will leave His physical body on Thursday, the 22nd February, 2022, at the age of 96. Amma will merge in Swami four years before His departure from the world.
VASANTHA :Yes Swami told me that I will merge with Him in physical body.
KRISHNAMOORTHY :Let me inform you, Prof. Ruhela, that there are some devotees who saw Vasanthamma in their dreams as Ishwari (Parvathi). My wife saw Amma as Nagakanya in her dream even before her physcially seeing her. She saw the body of a snake whose face was that of Vasanthamma. The Nagakanya told her (my wife) in her dream, “I am your family deity ( Nag Devatha).” After seeing Mother Vasanthamma physically, my wife had several dreams about her. On Guru Poornima day in 1998, she saw mother Vasanthamma physcially for the first time at Vadakkampatti. Immediately she ( my wife) realised that this Mother was the same lady who had come in her dream as Nagakanya.
Some devotees saw amma as God. Swami told Amma, “your relation with Me is Yuga-bandhan, i.e., from age to age.”
RUHELA :Mr. Venkataraman, can you tell me some more recent spiritual experiences of Mother Vasantha as you are so close to her being her devotee.?
KSV RAMAN :Swami created a separate Mandir (Temple) exactly like His Mandir at Prasanthi Nilayam. It is full of gold. Its doors are made of gold, diamonds and gems. There are gold deer, gold peacocks etc. Swami told her, “who else is enjoying like this?”
VASANTHA :Swami has created a separate world for Me. I daily see that temple. We converse there only, daily.”
One particular thing is that as soon as I enter temple in meditation, Swami takes me to a big room full of gold whose doors are studded with diamonds. Swami one day told me: “You are not caring for the gold and diamonds but you are looking only for Me. Look at the worldly people, they are not like you.” I want only Swami. He has always given me bliss.”
KSV RAMAN :Once Swami came to Kodai Kanal. I also went there. One day Swami took Amma to Gokulam. Baba sat on the front side of the horse looking backward, Amma sat on the backside seeing Him face to face. Swami said, “ I can not drive horse. It is not moving.”
Amma told Swami: “the horse will move only with your Sankalpa (determination), I am not interested in seeing anything other than you.” This shows Vasantha’s intense bhakti for Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Once in her meditation Amma was taken by Bhagavan (Sri Sathya Sai Baba) to Manasarovar. Amma visited the Himalayas.
Once Bhagavan showed Anand Tandava dance. It was a very colourful and pleasant one. When He danced, the entire world danced and there was only Anandam (Pleasure). Once Bhagavan took Amma to Mars Planet.
RUHELA :Amma, what is Radha’s Prema like? Can you describe it?
VASANTHA :Swami described Radha’s Prema (Love) to me in meditation thus: “Your Prema is your Prema Sagar (Ocean of Love). How can we measure it? Its force is more than Akash Ganga. Every minute your Prema (Love) is increasing. There is no tiredness in showing your Prema.”
Swami told me, “You will maintain the same young heart full of love till your 80th year. Human body is getting older day by day, but you will maintain the same Prema till your 80th year.” Swami told me this on 23rd October 1997. The Naadi records have confirmed it recently in 1999.
On 21st October, 1997, I asked Swami in meditation, “Daily I am crying and weeping for You: Are You not crying for me?”
Swami replied: “Your weeping is attracting Me. I am immediately coming to you. Sometimes I am wailing for you. It gives Me such bliss when I talk to you, because you don’t present problem, but there is problem, problem, problem for all devotees. I am coming to you for rest.”
KSV RAMAN :On 3rd May , 1998, Amma asked Baba, “I show different kind of bhakti to you. Is it possible between a devotee and Bhagavan.?”
Swami replied: “there is none in this yuga (age) like you. Your Prema has crossed all rules and regulations.”
VASANTHA :On 4th May, 1999, Swami told me in meditation, “Vadakkampatti is more than Vaikunta (Heaven).”
KSV RAMAN :Amma prays in morning and does meditation. Amma has Swami’s darshan in early morning meditation after 8 A.M.. She does afternoon meditation after 8 hours gap. As soon she closes her eyes, she runs to see Baba. Baba once said to her, “Amma, why are you coming so fast? Just 8 hours before I had given you darshan. You are behaving as if you are seeing Me after years together.”
Swami told her, “ In all your blood cells, there is Prema. In every hair and cell in your body, you have Prema.”
Amma weeps for Swami daily as usual. One day Swami asked Amma not to weep. So she did not weep. In meditation Baba asked her:” Why are you not weeping., Amma?” Amma, replied “You told me not to weep.” Swami said, “No, you weep. It is your bhaavam. I like your bhaavam. You consider Swami as your husband and you worshipped Bhagavan in the same Bhavam. That is why, you have got the feeling in your body, in every cell of your body. This feeling cannot be separated. Because of that you are weeping like that.”
RUHELA :Amma is it your last birth?
VASANTHA :
Baba Paati (the old lady, Seethammal of Chennai) who is believed to be the re-incarnation of Sri Shirdi Sai baba's mother (according to the ancient Naadis) and Swami (Sri Sathya Sai Baba) have told me that this is the last birth for me.
I asked Swami whether I will come (re-incarnate) in the time of His Avathar as Prem Sai Baba. Swami said, “No, it is not needed.” Baba Paati also told this to Krishna Moorthy.
KSV RAMAN : Swami told Amma: “You are ‘Jeevan Mukta’. You have already merged with Bhagavan. I have retained your body for the service of humanity.”
Amma told Swami, “ I am not doing any service to humanity. I am simply weeping for you.”
Baba replied, “Your service is the best one as compared to others. You see Ramana Maharishi. He was not doing only service, but his contact gave vibrations to many persons. In the same way by your vibrations you will, like a light-house, give light to all human beings. Your ‘Prema Shakti’ will spread throughout the world. Your Prema Shakti will act as a catalyst.”
RUHELA :Amma, kindly explain what is your Prema Shakti which you distribute to chosen devotees.?
KSV RAMAN :Let me tell you. Her Prema Shakti acts as a catalyst, as Swami said. The problems of people will be solved. There will be sudden change. Swami told Mother (Amma) that she will give Prema Shakti to thousands of devotees. Amma is Prema Shakti, Swami told Amma, “You are the Prema factory. You are producing Prema whose stocks are accumulating. They should be disposed off then and there. Prema Shakti is being produced in you by your constantly chanting,. “Swami Venum, Swami Venum” (I want Swami, I want Swami). “that is the machine for creating Prema and this production should be spent by distributing it to various bhaktas. When any one prays to Me. I will see his past birth and present bhakti and according to them I will honour his request, but when these prayers come through you, I do not see these things. Immediately I will give him answer.”
Many people are getting Prema Shakti from Amma. If all people can attain Moksha...! Can all people attain Moksha? A lot of people are in various stages of Prema; do they get liberation without doing any Sadhana?
Swami told Amma, “Whenever you give Prema Shakti to people and they receive it with full faith, it will work if they continue to have faith. If they do not have faith, that Prema Shakti will come back to you.”
VASANTHA :Those who receive Prema Shakti must do Sadhana (Meditation) and try to come forward, otherwise they will be as they are. There are four stages in this Prema. Swami showed me the river as an example:
1) Some devotees are standing on the banks of the river2) Some are sitting on the banks of the river.
3) Some are swimming against the river; and
4) Some people have reached the land
Swami told me, “ They must have full faith. It is not that you and I can cure. It is only in their hands. They must have full faith, then only it will work.
RUHELA :Amma, I wish to ask this question again, “Has there been any rebirth of your soul after your birth as Radha in Krishna’s time?”
VASANTHA :Swami told me at Shirdi recently i.e., only two days back, that, there was no birth for me between Radha of 5000 years back and my present birth as Vasantha.
RUHELA :Amma, can you tell me any rare , interesting thing in Radha’s life which is generally not known to people?
VASANTHA :Yes, one such thing is Radha’s prayer to Ganapathi (Ganesh). She prayed to Ganapathi for 100 years. Radha Devi waited for Krishna for 5000 years and now she has re-incarnated in my form when Sri Krishna has re-incarnated as Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Let me tell you about Radha’s Ganesh-puja. There was Siddha Aashram where Kapila Muni did puja. Radha also came to do Ganesh-puja there. She offered lots of fruits and flowers to Ganesh. Ganesh became happy and told her to give all the puja materials to Brahmins so that they would offer them to God, and then through Deva (God) they would reach Ganesh. Whosoever chants this Ganesha manthra will get Radha’s powers and those who did puja in Siddha Aashram merged with God in their physical bodies.”
RUHELA :Mr. Venkataraman, are her devotees worshipping Amma Vasantha?
KSV RAMAN :They are respecting her as a holy person, as Radha incarnate, the Prema Shakti – Swaroopini. One lady devotee Vimala Shanmuga Illam, in charge of an orphanage at Triconomalai in Sri Lanka has composed a song on Amma Vasantha Sai Which is daily sung by all the inmates of that orphanage.
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