Swami : It is your prema that bestows you such a power. Prema for the Lord is more powerful than the Lord Himself. This power only gives you such a skill. I have nothing with Me. That is why, I am defeated on many occasions.

Vasantha: From today morning I was immersed in reading ‘Aanmeeham’ (a monthly magazine), so I have forgotten you Swami! Has my mind become a stone?

Swami : When did you forget? Even in the magazine you read about Me alone. You were thinking only about Me. You will not forget Me even for a single second. I too will not forget you. Don’t cry. You should be laughing, not crying. Those who have to cry are laughing. I laugh at the world when I think of it.

Vasantha : Why so Swami?

Swami : That is all maya (illusion).

Vasantha: Why do I cry Swami? Is this also illusion?

Swami : This is not illusion. You cry because of your inability to control and because of your infinite prema. Illusion won’t attach you, when I am near you.

Vasantha: When Narada Maharishi himself feared and worshipped Maya, where am I? Swami, just like Narada, am I doing Japam and Meditation?

Swami : Who told you to do them?

Vasantha: I can’t have peace without japam and meditation. I get peace only when I talk to you. I know not what to tell for this overflowing prema. My mind always wants Your nearness and love.

Swami : That is Radha.

Vasantha: I won’t believe Swami! Not even a blade of grass will move without You. You are the indweller and director of all. How can (Radha’s) my prema increase without your prema?

Swami : If it is so, this prema should overflow in everyone! Why is it not so? Whether all of them are like you? Boundless sincerity, complete surrender, unshakable faith, devotion without attachment to the fruit (result) are essential for this.

Vasantha: Swami! you told me that half of Your energy is spent in consoling me alone. But my prema alone is your energy. When my (Radha’s) energy feeds your energy (the energy of Goddess herself), how would that energy be spent?

Swami : How is it that your speak so skillfully?

Vasantha: For this (skill and cleverness) too, you are the tutor, Swami! Already You have told in a discourse that Narahari behaved skillfully to escape from Prahlada. God is more skillful than anybody else. Therefore this too is Lord’s grace only.

Swami : It is your prema that bestows you such a power. Prema towards God is more powerful than God Himself. It is this energy that gives power to you. I have nothing with Me. That is why I am defeated by you many times.

Vasantha: Even for fun sake don’t say so, Swami! Only I should be defeated; you should always win. Swami! why am I not able to do japam and meditation?

Swami : Why do you worry about japam and meditation? Why do you do them like a machine in a particular place and time? Tell me the purpose of japam and meditation.

Vasantha: To attain the Lord.

Swami : You have already attained Him, is it not? In that case what is the need for these japam and meditation? Still you cry, saying that the mind is not concentrating to meditate. You are always with Swami and speak with Swami. You have successfully completed sadhana (spiritual practice). Then why do you still want to be in the sadhana state? Because of this attitude, you are always unsatisfied. Nobody in this world has seen these visions and darshans of the lord which were shown to you. I told that you are the only lady fortunate enough in this age; even then you are not satisfied and always think that those people had darshan, these had interviews, but you did not.

Vasantha: Swami! there is no question of satisfaction in selfless (prema) devotion. If there is satisfaction, a fullstop is put for it; but prema will always have a comma only. If one gets satisfaction, then the progress of prema will be lesser. This yearning and aspiration alone will develop prema.

Swami : Very good! now too, you have defeated me.

Vasantha: O Lord! That is wrong. Kindly pardon me. I am lecturing to the very form of prema. It is You who create such thought in me.

Swami : No, No; you are wrong; your limitless prema is the reason for that. There is a limit for sea and sky; but there is no limit for your prema. Your speech, walking, living, thinking everything is the definition of prema. Your life itself is an example of selfless devotion; and it may be written as an example to the world itself.

Vasantha: Your face is like Swami’s. Swami’s darshan is equal to your presence. You are Swami Himself.

Swami : O! granary of wisdom! Shall I open your brain to see how much knowledge is there!

Vasantha: By all means Swami! The whole brain would be filled only with Your form. When Your form is in every cell blood, what else will be there?

Swami : Can’t you speak a single sentence without Me? If you can speak without me, I will give a grand gift.

Vasantha: Give that gift to somebody else Swami! Without you, not even a sentence or a word can be spoken by me.

Swami : This is also the definition for selfless devotion Prema Bhakti, a definition that has to be understood well.

Vasantha: Swami! Swami!! Except Swami, what else exists in this world? Swami! You are a tree, I am a creeper. Don’t remove this creeper from the tree, otherwise it will fall down, then get burnt by the sun, or drenched by the rain, and treated by all, it will die.

Swami : This tree too wants a creeper, without this creeper the tree will also not be here. Already you have written to Venkatraman that Swami won’t be there without you.

Vasantha: Is it possible for You, Swami, to be away from me?

Swami : Shall I make it possible?

Vasantha: Swami! Is it You who speak like this? (I cried).

Swami : Just for fun I told. Even for this you start crying.

Vasantha: When you utter the very word ‘possible’, it shows that separation is also possible for you. But I can’t live even for a single second without You, Swami! In that case, is Your prema lesser towards me? (I cried).

Swami : This is Radha; and the definition of Prema Bhakti (selfless love).

Vasantha: What is this, Swami? you are always saying, "That is the definition of prema. This is the definition of prema!

Swami : It is a fact. You are not able to endure the very world ‘separation’, because selfless love overflows to such an extent. For the definition of prema, I gather every point from you alone. Your speech, respiration and every activity, all are about God, yes! about God only. Then why do tears come from your eyes? When prema overflows in the heart, why do tears overflow from the eyes?

Vasantha: Swami! as per Venkatraman’s statement, just like the Gopbala (cowherd lady), I do not know the difference between the right and left hand. I don’t understand all these things, I don’t want any other thing except You.

Swamy: Now I have got one more definition of prema. You don’t know that all these things are out- comes of prema. But I know. That is why, I am defeated many times.

Vasantha: There is no place for defeat in Prema, Swami! When defeated, more bliss is enjoyed. What is defeat? When give and take policy is followed by each one, there is more bliss. Therefore you alone enjoy more bliss.

Swami: Don’t you see that this is also a point?

Vasantha: You may gather many points, but everything represents You only. My thoughts, body, spirit, soul, activities, will power, all these things are manifestations of You alone. You are the only source. Is there any existence for me without You? Is there any individuality for me? Is there any special thought pattern without you?

Swami: This is also a point.

Vasantha: Both pictures that appeared in this month’s ‘Sanathana Sarathi’ (a monthly magazine of Baba's organization) are top, Dhanvantari is super; O Dear! How is it that you are so beautiful! Every picture is very very attractive. Its beauty drives every one mad.

Swami: That too is your prema.

Vasantha: Swami! for every thing you are repeating the samething Prema, Prema, Prema, Prema.

Swami: Of course, it is true. It is you who sang the following lines :

Vasantha: Swami! why have You created so many people and made them whirl in ever so many desires and greed and made every individual to undergo a lot of sufferings?

Swami : Minds of living bings go in their own way. I look at the fun of their sport, until they get tired and bored. Then at last one day they call the Lord; at that time I will run fast to help them.

Vasantha: What do you gain by this Swami? Why do you make them suffer?

Swami : That is My sport.

Vasantha: Is this a good sport! Don’t you get bored by this, Swami?

Swami : When I get bored, I wish to destroy the whole world and be immersed in Yoga Nidra.

Vasantha: Is it possible for human beings to attain that Yoga Nidra?

Swami : Even sleep itself can be made into yoga. If you are immersed in sleep with the thought of God, that itself becomes yoga. Yoga is not separate. Every work can be converted into yoga. Reading, sitting, walking, eating, sleeping, and working all can be made yoga. Then life itself becomes yoga. Your life is also a yoga. When every second is spent for the Lord and with the thought of God, it become yoga. (Gita - IX chapter)

Vasantha: Swami! Venkataraman wrote that all have spiritual thirst and enthusiastic enquiry. But when we have close contact with them, we come to know that all of them want only wealth, health, children, long life, job, marriage and such other things. It seems that they pray the Lord only to solve such personal problems. Those who pray God for God’s sake only are rare now-a-days.

Swami : Only a few like you rarely pray God for God’s sake. ‘I want You, I want You only’. This is your prayer, That alone is Prema Bhakti - an attitude of not wanting anything but God. One can get the grace of God by craving, crying and praying. The devotion of such devotees alone is the food and basis of God.

Vasantha: When Arjuna asked, You told the characteristics of Sthitha pragya (One who is established in wisdom). Likewise, kindly tell me the characteristic of Prema Bhakti. How will they who have prema behave, speak and look like?

Swami : They won’t forget God, even for a single second; They would talk of nothing but God; they would hear nothing but spiritual matters. They can not live for even a second without the thought of God. Only for God’s sake, they eat and even sleep. Since they do everything for God’s sake, it becomes a yajna (sacred sacrifice). They would have all relationships with God only. They won’t slip in their stand and goal in any circumstance and occasion. Nothing of this world can attract them. They would live with God, creating a separate world. They would feel truth alone through their five senses. Their senses won’t go to the external world. Through five elements they would get divine news through T.V., Radio, books, newspapers, everywhere, in all things. They would realise and speak with the Lord in many ways. Every question that arises from the mind, would get the answer at once.

Vasantha: Swami! Has selfless love (prema) got a form?

Swami : It is said : "Ramo vigrahan, Dharma!" Even attributes have their forms. We say that Rama and Krishna are embodiments of Sathya and Dharma (Truth and Righteousness), likewise prema also has got a form. The form of prema is Myself.

Vasantha: Swami?

Swami : It is you that sang that "Your prema only gave this form."

Vasantha: How is possible, Swami? You were born earlier, I wrote only now.

Swami : First your divine prema was with Krishna, after seeing Me, you saw Krishna in Me and then you started to worship this form of Mine with Prema Bhakti. You sang that "Your prema only gave this form." That is correct.

Vasantha: Swami, I want You. I want You alone.

Swami : I am near you only. Why do you cry?

Vasantha: That is the one thing, I don’t understand, Swami! How will I compensate for this overflowing prema towards You? (I cried wailingly).

Swami : Your life itself a yagna (Sacrifice). Your tears, japa, meditation, yaham (religious merit) all these things are you only. In the fire of prema you have offered yourself as oblation. This is yoga, this is penance itself.

Swami appeared once again in front of me.

Vasantha: Swami I want You; You only. (Very often I repeated this request).

Swami : Look! Here I am. What are you going to do? Don’t you talk any other thing except this?

Vasantha: I know not what to do, Swami?

Swami : Because of your spiritual thirst, you are always asking this. You are always aspiring again and again for the Lord, since it has been absorbed in your body, blood, and all tissues, you are always telling this. This can even be called as spiritual thirst! This intensive thirst will arise only in the concentrated mind.

Vasantha: O Magnificent Lord of crores of worlds and universes. O Paramatma (Prime Soul) O ancient and endless great Lord! I am like chicken in search of protection that moves slowly into the wings of its mother (Hen). I don’t know anything. It is Your burden (duty) to protect me.

Swami : Definitely, you are under My protection.

Vasantha: O Creator of movable and unmovable world! O eminent Lord of triple action. O Lord of three worlds! O Lord! all the four Vedas adore You. You are such a great soul who has come and speaks with me! What a great compassion! So many saints and sages do penance in forests and mountain caves. I did not do any penance like them. Even then, how is it that You are always with me and speak with me?

Swami : What penance did the Gopies and Radha do? They surrendered themselves to Krishna. "Ananyas-Chintayanthoman ye janaf paryupasathe ..." According to this Gita verse, they surrendered completely, without any other thought. As you told, those cowherd people know not the difference between the right and the left hand. They are all illiterates. They don’t know what is surrender? All they knew was Krishna, Krishna alone. They always lived in Krishna consciousness. It is a marvellous state, in which not even a second is spent without the thought of God. Whatever they did, they did with Krishna consciousness. This is a yoga in which one is always with the Lord. You are doing this only; you are asking for this state. But saints and sages do penance to attain Saayujam Moksha.

Vasantha: Saayujyam Moksha, paradise, all these things I don’t know, Swami. How can I experience the Moksha that is obtained after death? I want to experience Your intimacy in this body itself, here itself and right now! This bliss is enough.

Swami : The very same is the Prema Bhakti. Are Moksha, Paradise equal to God’s intimacy? Saints and sages attain Saayujyam Moksha (Mukti) by doing penance. But in your case, Saayujyam or Mukti comes seeking devotees like you. When compared to Saroopyam, they considered these things as worthless.

Vasantha: Swami! I am the property of the greatest Emperor of this universe and not of a beggar. Therefore I won’t approach anybody, either for material or spiritual favour. I must depend 100 percent on you. I should not ask anything from anybody.

Swami : Definitely.

Vasantha: I should not desire for other's property that is even a needle - point, Swami. I don’t allow any thought to rise in me except You.

Swami : Needle - point! What a wonderful word! Your infinite prema alone can use such new, new words.

Vasantha: All are due to Your grace only. O Lord! If you praise me using such words. I will be caught by egoism as a consequence of respect and pride. Then will You not go away from me?

Swami : Ego! Even it’s shadow is not found in you. Once you get the grace of Lord, ego cannot remain there. Both light and darkness can not remain together at one place.

Swami : Definitely it will happen; you yourself are going to see it.

Vasantha: One may live for 100 years as told in Vedas;

   (An Alwar’s poem)

Swami : That is Karma. They have to experience them according to their individual past deeds.

Vasantha: When the whole world is engaged in this way, why am I different? I am not able to spend even a minute in worldly things, Swami.

Swami : That is Radha. You are a different lady. Why do you pray Gayatri Goddess and ask that you should become Swami’s Rakshai (amulet) when Swami Himself is an amulet to Swami?

Vasantha: Swami! daily You are taking over some one’s fever or other disease.

Swami : What is lost by that? It is you who sang that water won’t make it wet, fire wont burn it, wind can’t dry it. When I am in such a state, how will this disease affect Me?

Vasantha: It is said that it won’t harm you in any way, then lately why did you get fever at Kodaikanal? I was told that you were tired and weak. "Swami vomitted" - I saw this news in a paper. Why did all these things happen?

Swami: O mad one! that is a drama conducted by Me for the world. I will not be affected in any way, I accept the illness of devotees.

Vasantha: You may say so. But I alone know the sufferings that I went through on that day.

Swamy: O dull lady! One day you speak like a learned person that water won’t wet, fire won’t burn; the other day you lament that Swami is suffering from fever.

Vasantha: Why am I so dull? Why is this dual mentality in me, Swami?

Swami: These are all your excessive love and unlimited prema towards the Lord. Because of your infinite devotion, you don’t even know what to speak and what not to speak.

Vasantha: Swami, why did You make me mad like this? O Lord! O Krishna! I love you very much.

Swami: I am always with you. See here that your tears have made Me wet. Nobody in this world has prayed with such tears.

Vasantha: O Magnificent Master of crores and crores of people, worlds and of the universe!O Harihari! O Murahari! O Narahari! O Acchuta! O Amala! O Aditya! O Embodiment of Sat Chit Ananda! (Existence, Knowledge and Bliss)! O great Lord of infinite sports (leelas) Swami! let the whole world live in happiness; let Your gracious effulgence spread everywhere.

Swami: What do you want? Ask something. Let Me give you.

Vasantha: I don’t want anything, Swami! You have given me Yourself. What else do I need? You are all provoking. Is there anything separately beyond You? When You had given me possession, when you are everywhere in all things, at all times, what else do I require? You, You alone I want.

Swami: All these things indicate your higher devotional state. No illusion in your mind, that alone is Maya (Illusion).

Vasantha: Swami! You and the doctor have raised my status upto the sky. I felt Your love very much at Paramakudi, Swami!

Swami: I did not do anything. Your Prema Bhakti alone raised you to the sky. Power of prema is higher than the power of penance. Devotees' prema power is more energetic than God's power itself.

Swami : Don’t cry. O mad one. Your energy is not reduced; it has increased; only material things will reduce when you go on giving. Be in bliss. If I am in a blissful state, you too must be in that state. If Krishna is in bliss, Radha also should be in bliss."

Vasantha: "I am always crying, but You are the embodiment of bliss. Is it not a contradiction, Swami!

Swami : That alone is Radha. Only opposites can join. If positive and positive or negative and negative are connected, no current will pass. Absoluteness is bliss. Why do you cry? When you crave and aspire for God with fanatic enthusiasm, it comes out in the form of tears. From this bliss and tears much energy comes.

Vasantha: What is the use of that energy, Swami?

Swami : That energy goes on spreading as vibratory waves through out the sky. If there is any suitable vessel on the earth, the waves are attracted by that vessel. Do you say that electricity is useless? Those who know to use the electric energy know that is also useful for those who try to get it. As an example, let us take your life. You had the darshan of so many saints and seers. They all came in search of you to bestow their blessings. They realised that you are a suitable vessel. Your craving, aspiration and tears for God brought those saints to your place.

Vasantha: I want to worship you more, Swami!

Swami : No more sadhana for you. Are you not ever satisfied with sadhana?

Vasantha: No sadhana ... Swami! worship ... ? I mean worship.

That shows Your individuality.

Swami : You have worshipped a lot, still you crave to worship.

Vasantha: I want to be alone and be with You only. I don’t want any connection with any one. So don’t shower sacred ash and saffron in my house, as You do in others' houses. If You shower them a large crowd would come to my house and my loneliness would be spoiled.

Swami : That is why I have kept you in this state. Your sadhana is over. Something should be done for the welfare of the world, is it not?

Vasantha: I don’t have even the memory or feeling that other people are also in this world. I remember myself and You alone. What can I do for this, Swami?

Swami : I see no other way, except taking one more incarnation, to repay your debt of prema. You say that your thought of God is burning like a forest fire. But don’t you see that I am dragged away by the overflow of the forest-river flood of your tears?

Vasantha: Swami, is it possible either to control or write about my overflowing prema, my tears and our love? How is it possible to cover this prema within the limits of writing? A small book may not be enough for this. Whether the readers (even one or two) would understand the extent of my prema? (I cried and wept).

Swami : "You fool! This book is only to show your prema; infinite God is now within the boundary of your book; is it not? A small effort is made to limit your ultimated prema within that boundary. Definitely most of them will be benefitted by this book. Don’t cry. Involve yourself happily in this effort. I will be with you."

Swami : Look here! your Krishna is now in front of you. Why tears still roll on your cheeks? If you go on weeping like this, I have no other go, except creating a separate island so that you and I alone will be there. Shall we go to that island and rejoice there."

Swami : Did you see? Hearing your song, a flower has come at once?

Vasantha: Your will power Swami!

Swami : Drink this sea water.

Swami : I created this island for you alone; you are going to see more wonders.

Vasantha: O, how nice is this one! What is this bird, Swami!

Swami : Swan! (A heavenly bird)

Vasantha: Swami! a swan spoke to Nala and Damayanthi. I have read that story.

Swami : O! this swan calls you as Queen!

Vasantha: I have read about the mattress woven with Swan’s feathers. Swami!

Swami : Wakeful states alone. Let your prema be known to the outer world.

Vasantha: In that case, only Your glory should cover greater portion of the book and about me little is enough, Swami.

Swami : Don’t you know that for ever so many people are going to be benefitted by this book. Is not your life an example to so many people? Why do you worry about it? Did you not say : "I did not serve; I did not serve". This is also a service to the world. This is greater than other services. I told that My life is My message. In the same manner, your life also is going to be a message to the world.

Vasantha: You mean that all these things are to be written, Swami!

Swami : I say write it. Of all the charities, bestowing the spiritual wisdom is the best. This is spiritual charity.

Vasantha: Swami! Don’t separate me from You, saying that this book is like a lamp at the hill top. I want You, You alone.

Swami : It is I that do all these things. Is it fair to have this thought always? Your devotion will overflow as it was before. You always cry thinking that if this book is published, that some thing may happen to you; come out from that fear and worry.

Vasantha: Your Madras devotee wrote a book about You. I heard that she is not worshipping You now-a-days. I fear whether I would also become like that?

Swami : See here. It is I who is publishing this book. I am going to write it also. I alone will be spreading this message throughout the world. Let your prema be known to all. You will not be affected by this anyway. I won’t go away from you and you will not be separated from Me by publishing this. Have you any faith in Me, or not?

Vasantha: I have full faith, Swami!

Swami : Then why worry and cry? Be happy. Others (in the world)) also may learn to live like you. Is it not? Don’t cry here-after.

Vasantha: Swami! I want to offer 1008 lotus flowers, chanting Your name.

Swami : What is there between you and the lotus? Always you are telling this.

Vasantha: I don’t know Swami.

Swami : There is relation. Lotus is a holy one, it will not stick to anything; it is unattached. Though it is in the water, it has no relation with it. Because of its holiness, it is compared to God’s organs like face, hands, eyebrows. Because of your connection with God, you are also holy and pure form of prema.

Swami : Yours is also a service; spiritual service. Saints and seers do penance in caves and forests. Will you say that they are all waste? They do penance, not caring for their body. When they do penance again and again, they get energy. Their body and mind become bright. The power of their penance dissolves in the atmospheric air. Our country, this holy earth, is a virtuous land. How did it becomes holy? Because of the penance done by saints, sages and seers, it has become holy.

Vasantha: What would be the effect of this atmospheric air?

Swami : Foreigners come here with spiritual thirst. That energy will be useful for all those people. They believe that calmness and peace would be available only in this land. It will be available to our people also if they try truly and practice with the same thirst. Others may also be benefitted by your spiritual power; spiritual power purifies the environment.

Vasantha: Swami! You Yourself kindly give a title to this book now itself.

Swami : "Liberation! Here Itself! Right Now!" This will be the suitable title to this book ‘Here’ means, within this world itself, and ‘Now’ means one can attain liberation with this body itself. But one can attain this state, only when he practices like you.

Swami : If everybody is like you, how will devotion develop? If you had not known Andal, you would not have worshipped like Andal. Since Alwars' and Nayanmars' devotion was known to the public, people all over the world think to follow their foot-steps. In the same way, only when your devotion is known to the public, they will follow your method.

Swami : Saalokyam, Saameepyam, Saarupyam and Saayujyam --- all these kinds of liberation can be attained here itself. How will you know the experience of paradise, attained after the death? How can we feel that experience? That is why it is said that it should be experienced in this body itself and in this world itself. One can feel, experience and enjoy four kinds of liberation right now. Every soul can attain this, if he or she tries. Your life shows only this. If one has perseverance, sincerity, deep faith and ceaseless thought of God like the pouring of oil (oilfall), he too can attain it. Your sadhana is bigger one; nobody can reach that height.

Vasantha: I must attain one more thing by sadhana, Swami.

Swami : What is that?

Vasantha: Like Andal and Vallalar I should become one with You, with this body itself, Swami. When both of them have attained that by their sadhana, why not I?

Swami : Andal (Ruler)! You have ruled Myself. You have sung the following lines often, "I am fortunate that I got Sai empire". That has become true today. The entire love of the Sai empire has become your possession.

Vasantha: Will it be possible Swami, to attain my goal? Even this body should not remain in the world like Andal.

Swami : From the young age itself, you were marching towards this goal. How much tears? How many sacrifices? How many austerities? How much different sadhanas you did to attain this!

Vasantha: One of the Alwars have given the following description about one’s suffering during death :

"All those who stand around the dying person, wait for the departure of the soul from the body. It is not known whether one’s memory would return; with dimmed knowledge, chocked throat and not chanting God’s name they die. What sort of death is this? Is it not common to all? Why can’t I overcome this sort of death? I should die with fresh brain and bright knowledge. O Lord! Mind united with your figure, chanting your name, like a blossomed flower, I should merge with You".

Swami : Your life is an example to the world.

Vasantha: Swami! I want my death to be an example to the world. O Lord! not even the shadow of suffering should be found in my death. Like Andal You should make me merge with You, with this very body and with bliss.

Swami : Andal and Vallalar did not want such an end like this. Their devotion gave them such an end; nobody demanded such a death from the very young age like you. When the world trembles at the very word death, you alone asked for a particular death and are immersed in the same thought. Your prema power gave this courage to you. It is that spiritual power that made you fearless to ask about the death. And you got the promise also to cross over the ocean of death from the Lord Himself. Who else had got such promise like this? Every birth ends in death, but what sort of aim one had in his life, is known only at the time of his death. Next birth comes according to one’s death. When one dies, the soul takes with it all those things which were gathered in this birth. The thoughts of the dying man become the base for the next birth. Therefore, death plays an important role in the human life. Where and how will one take birth? Only death decides this. So one should think over the death, benefitted by your spiritual power; spiritual power purifies the environment.

Vasantha: Swami! kindly bestow on me more and more Prema Bhakti.

Swami : Even if you don’t talk, your tongue repeats the same thing. Just like an involuntary action, it repeats, "more prema and still more prema".

Vasantha: Yes, Swami! Do you mean that I am telling it like an oil pressing machine, without earnestness?

Swami : No! This thought has spread all over your body and is deeply imprinted in your mind. By repeating this again and again, without interval it has become a habit to you. Just like this adage (proverb) "even if you forget, your tongue won’t forget."

Vasantha: Swami! I am not able to control my over-flowing devotion towards you.

Swami : Why do you think of controlling it? Let both of us be flooded away by that overflowing love. Let us swim with heavenly joy. Such a devotee is born only once in an age (yuga). God waits for the arrival of such devotees.

Vasantha: During Krishna Avatar (Incarnation) the young and old of Gokulam and Mathura showered such a love upon You. They were attracted like anything at the very name of Krishna. Just like that, in this incarnation also, what sort of attraction You have that makes people of all countries come rushing towards you? They are very crazy in chanting Your name and form. What is the charm that fascinates all these people? What is the magnetic power that attracts not only human beings but even birds and beasts? During Krishna Avatar, not only higher species but even lower species also melted. Just like that, in this great Avatar even sarees, that were not touched by You, shed tears.

Swami : It is because of prema (love) only. When love is spread everywhere, it comes back to you. When you also spread that love throughout the world, that too will come back to you. See yourself in everyday. There are two things in the world --- one is God and the other is universe; universe is filled with Swami’s energy, you can see yourself in every universal thing. What is visible in the glass?

Vasantha: Image, Swami. My Image!

Swami : This world is a mirror. Look yourself in it. Only one thing exists --- that is God. It won’t suit your attitude. God’s splendour excels in all things like you, butterfly and the beauty of its fluttering feathers, goat, peacock, deer that run leaping, tinkling sound of the river. Think that in everything and living being you alone exist, and if you think like this, then there will be no difference. If you learn this habit, you will be more fortunate.

Vasantha: You told Hislop that you grant no interview to those who do "Madhura Bhavana Sadhana". Why so Swami? (Conversations with Baba - By Hislop, page 199).

Swami : I have told you not to ask why and how? Is it not?

Vasantha: No interview, alright; can’t You give at least Pada Namaskar?

Swami : What is lost if you don’t take Padanamaskar there (at Prasanthi Nilayam)? You are taking it daily here (at Vadakkampatti). What is physical? What is subtle? Both are one and the same.

Vasantha: If both are the same then why did you tell Hislop that physical attachment alone was strong with Gopi’s towards Krishna; so when Krishna died, they also died. In the same way, Hislop came to India to see you? Why don’t You do like that for me also. Though my subtle eyes see you, my mind wants to see you physically.

Swami : You have won me with My own words, and I am defeated once again.

Vasantha: Swami! Only for the satisfaction of devotees you repeat, "I am defeated, I am defeated!" Because of you, even thoughts arise in the mind. You act as if you are defeated, to bring out the intentions of devotees.

Swami : Good girl. This is the best sadhana. Inviting God to one’s residence is a very good sadhana. Continuous thought like an oilfall and yearning make God come to one’s own place.

Vasantha: Swami! you say that one should follow Advaita, formless one. Don’t say like this. I did not want all these things. I want Your form only. I don’t understand Advaita; give me the wisdom of understanding it.

Swami : Bhakti (Devotion) and Jnana (true knowledge) --- both are the same. When devotion comes, real knowledge also comes. When a thing is done with the thought of Bhagavan, it becomes yoga. Karma (Action), Bhakti (Devotion) and Jnana (Supreme wisdom) all are one; when you taste a sweet, you taste its form and weight along with its sweetness. Do we taste its sweetness and form separately? In the same way, Bhakti itself is real Jnana. No special efforts is needed to attain this Jnana. You are permanent in My heart just like a pole-star. So don’t cry.

Vasantha: I worshipped Krishna from my young age, but my mind concentrates only on Your form. Why so Swami?

Swami : Now Krishna Himself has come in the human form with bones and flesh. Your mind being a human one, naturally it attaches with the human form of God. Since God is in this form, you feel Him and enjoy Him. So your mind concentrates on it.

Swami : Look, I am here. What you want Me to do?

Vasantha: That is the thing I do not know, Swami! My blood, heart, each atom, tissue and every thing in my body wants You alone.

Swami : O dull--headed girl! This is not crying, this is the greatest joy; you are experiencing ecstatic and blissful state only. Not knowing how to explain it, you cry and it is not possible also to explain it. It can only be experienced and not explained. Because of your crying and pure prema towards God, you have attained this state which saints, sages and seers did not attain. Nobody in this yuga is experiencing like this.

Vasantha: Swami! I don’t give importance to Your other physical organs. But I want Your holy feet. Why do all want Your holy feet?

Swami : Every one would prostrate at the feet only. How is it possible to prostrate at other organs? Surrendering means, taking refuge at the feet of God. Holy feet is the only refuge for all, at all time. To cross over the ocean of birth, holy feet alone are the boat. So everyone likes holy feet always.

Swami : Where is Vaikuntham (Heaven) and where is Vadakkampatti? How did Vaikuntham came to Vadakkampati? Your crying and tears alone accomplished this. Don’t cry.

Vasantha: Swami! I forget Pongal and Deepawali festivals and their dates, days and their importance also.

Swami : When you are in God’s thought alone, why do you worry about the date and day. World will go on its own accord. Devotees won’t have such thoughts. That is why you also forget Pongal, Deepawali etc. Your experience is different; why do you want Gita, Upanishads, Vedanta? You see everything in Me. Radha and Gopies did not need Gita and Vedanta. They lived on Krishna’s thought alone. You are also like them. Why do you try to change it? What you are now is correct. Nobody can attain your status.

Swami : Don’t change after such a long period of Sadhana. Prema Bhakti alone is suitable for you.

Swami : Nobody in this world has experienced divinity like you. You have accumulated experiences like diamonds and Navaratnas. Not only in this Avatar but also in any other Avatar, nobody has experienced like this.

Vasantha: Do you mean that even Radha and Gopis did not have this experience during Krishna Avatar?

Swami : They too did not experience like you. Radha did not have any Krishna experience; she lived on Krishna’s consciousness alone, that is all. And she experiences it now. Don’t you understand still? That Radha is you alone. I am repaying you that debt today.

Vasantha: O Lord! O Lord!! O Lord!!! Is it so?

Swami : Don’t you believe My word?

Vasantha: Not like that Swami ! I am not at all able to endure your (this) Prema.

Swami : That is why I say it bit by bit. Relax! Relax!!

Swami : "You have already attained that state, otherwise how can I call you as Radha? You have completed your sadhana, still you want to remain in that state and cry? God has accepted you, since you attained its peak. Don’t worry! You have attained absoluteness of Madhura Bhava."

Swami : You came here to forget Me, did you forget?

Vasantha: It has increased still more Swami! Why did You make me like this? Even to children my mind is not much attached.

Swami : Who is relative to whom? All are passing clouds. Don’t try to change your natural tendencies.

Vasantha: Swami! I want you only, Swami!

Swami : This is your real nature.

Vasantha: Swami! How does this word ‘Sai Ram’ make the world alluring? What is the meaning of Sai?

Baba : Don’t they say Sesha Sai! One who has snake as his bed. Just like that Sathya Sai means one who has Sathya (Truth) at his bed.

Vasantha: Your name and form allure the whole world; some people like me are also mad after you.

Swami : No one is mad like you. When I am not able to manage this one mad girl even, you say some more mad minds are also there. This world is a stage (Drama). See how everyone acts his role. Don’t allow anything to be impressed into your mind. Now shall we swim in the sea?

Vasantha: Swami! I don’t know to swim! If I hold your hand I may leave it. So you hold my hands.

Swami : You are careful and wakeful so that you may not lose the grip of the Lord. It has diffused in your blood itself. Very good. One should be like this only.

Vasantha: Swami ........?

Swami : These are given by Devas (Gods).

Vasantha: Krishna! I want to be Your foot-dust".

Vasantha: Swami! When you are in a blissful state, why am I always crying? How would bliss and cry meet?

Swami : Only when north and south poles meet, energy will emerge".

Swami : This is not a physical body, this is a shining spiritual body. You are in my great effulgence. What you see in meditation is not physical body. Spiritual effulgence which comes from Me induces spiritual blissful feeling. In spiritual effulgence where is the place for physical body? During Dhyana darshan, there is neither your body nor Mine; only spiritual effulgent bodies exist. There is no physical feeling at all.

Vasantha: "Swami! when I converse with You it appears that I am an eminent scholar. It looks as if You are defeated by me and I am praised by You".

Swami: "Why you think and cry that all those things denote you. This is the general rule of prema Bhakti. This rule is common to all. The same answer will be given if any devotee like you asks questions like this. These are the characteristics of Prema Bhakti. After reading this, at least some one else may try to become devotee like you. Is is not"?