Babble v1 105

babble-digest Friday, January 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 105

In this issue:
scrolling in frames
DHTML et al;
Cover contest
ADMIN: Hello?
Re: babble-digest V1 #100
Re: Hello?
Americana, or no?
Re: ADMIN: Hello?
Re: ADMIN: Hello?

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:59:22 +0000
From: Justine Earthrowl <justine@sirc.org>
Subject: scrolling in frames

Hi,

I am currently working on a framed site. In the main frame the text is
displayed in paragraph size chunks surrounded by proportionate space
with small arrow heads back and forward as appropriate giving the
illusion that they are new pages.

This works fine until I switch off scrolling in the frameset...Hmmph! To
leave on scrolling completely negates the purpose of what I am doing.

Is there a work around for this?

TIA,
Justine

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:23:25 -0500
From: "David Ross" <daveross@star.net>
Subject: DHTML et al;

Good Morning and Happy New Year,

1.) I am having a problem with a DHTML page that I set up on my home page
that works just fine in IE 4.0 and is supposed to work in Netscape 4.0, but
it chokes on the code and crashes the browser. Would somebody be so kind
and take a look at this page?
http://www.star.net/People/~daveross/dhtml.htm

2.) I have a working DHTML slide show demonstration at the following web
site: (This only works in IE 4.0, because of using VBScript.)
http://www.qui-tam.com/alicia/abs_slides.htm

David Ross
daveross@star.net
http://www.star.net/People/~daveross
SBN L2
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Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood
so established, that unless we love the truth,
we cannot know it.
*Blaise Pascal*
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:15:41 -0500
From: Dana Adams <dana@studiowerks.com>
Subject: Cover contest

Question for the list...

How many folks submit art for the cover contest? - Would anyone be
interested in a gallery of submissions? It would be nice to see what
gets submitted vs. what ends up being used. I'd be happy to host them if
there is sufficient interest...
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s t u d i o w e r k s
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:26:38 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Hello?

Are we dead or just very quiet?

- - Porter

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WWW Developer http://www.serve.com/apg/

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:57:22 -0800
From: Scott Swayne <sswayne@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: babble-digest V1 #100

> Subject: Re: Software Reviews
>
> If someone could recommend me a program that has at least 80% of
> > FrontPage's layout abilities, but still generates well structured
> > HTML code, my FrontPage would become history.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Slobodan Markovic
>
> Well, I recommend you try macromedia dreamweaver. it is pricey, but it
> beats the hell out of FrontPage:especially with the code it generates.
> then again, this is an opinion, but i have used both products. :o)

After using FrontPage, Web Express, Visual Page (Symantec), Corel Web Designer,
Dreamweaver, and probably a couple of others, I've realized one thing: WYSIWG is
fine for general layout, but you still can't avoid coding yourself, especially
with JavaScript. Besides, is the extent of anyone's mouseover usage so large and
diversified that it needs to be done in a WYSISYG editor? Sure, it would be
nice, but once you get your basic program down, all you have to do is re-use the
code, find an alternate method of generating the image references that are
unique per usage, and drop them in. I use Excel and a small utility that
generates image tags (with the height and width attributes). It's almost
effortless.
Because there are multiple ways to get to the same result ( as with
mouseovers), and because everyone's needs are different, there's always the
possibility the software won't cooperate. The software must be so customizable
that you can actually set how each tag/page element is generated through an
'Options' screen, would include robust JavaScript support. Until this happens,
the perfect WYSIWYG tool can still be considered unborn.
Dreamweaver is certainly the most noble attempt yet, and I would recommend
it as well. To pick up the slack, Allaire's HomeSite is the one I use. It's the
closest thing you can get to WYSIWYG while still coding manually (and enjoying
the benefits thereof).

For what it's worth...

Regards,
Scott Swayne

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:20:01 -0500
From: Andrew Zimmerman <zimmerma@hear.net>
Subject: Re: Hello?

Porter Glendinning wrote:

> Are we dead or just very quiet?
>
> - Porter

I haven't received mail since Monday. I had another address and stopped
receiveing mail there too. Am I just having bad luck?

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:28:34 -0600
From: Erik Kittlaus <erik@unidial.com>
Subject: Americana, or no?

My partner and I are in the midst of designing our new company logo and
the text treatment that I've come up with involves the Americana font.
My partner feels Americana is a much maligned font in the graphics
community and unworthy of consideration. I happen to think it really
works for this particlular word combo so I'm not so quick to pull the
trigger. I'd really like to hear if anyone shares his aversion for
Americana.

(Unfortunately I can't throw out my treatment for you to evaluate. My
partner is a little paranoid someone might apprehend it).

Any thoughts?

Erik
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:04:59 -0800
From: Stuart Helmintoller <stu@wwwa.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Hello?

At 3:26 PM -0500 1/2/98, Porter Glendinning wrote:
>Are we dead or just very quiet?
>

Or just hung over?? I am...

Stu

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 18:08:57 -0600
From: Shawn Freeman <shawnf@focus2.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Hello?

Although generally resistant to quoting, I noticed that Porter
Glendinning wrote:

>Are we dead or just very quiet?
>
Actually, the signal-to-noise ratio right now is nice.

s h a w n f r e e m a n -- p r e s i d e n t & d e s i g n e r
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