Babble v1 157

babble-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 157

In this issue:
SITE Review..
targeting frames
Video Capture/Editing?
Re: Video Capture/Editing?
Re: Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?
java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: Video Capture/Editing?
Re: targeting frames
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
tiling jpegs within tables
Re: java script question/height&width of pop window
Window Size
Re: tiling jpegs within tables
Re: tiling jpegs within tables

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:26 EET
From: "Kimba #." <kgranlun@yrkes.syi.fi>
Subject: SITE Review..

Hi list!

Just finnished the layout and content for a client,

http://www.ronn.net

The site is in two languages, Swedish and Finish.. The Swedish
version has content but the Finish version has the same content on
every page.. Check any of them.. Your choice.. Here;s the Swedish
version: http://www.ronn.net/mainse.html

What I would want to know is:

1. Is the Layout attractive?!? What do you think?
2. Navigation? Is it good/ bad??
3. Loading time and connection-speed would be nice..
4. Do the tables go 'wank' on your platform/ browser??

Thanks!

Kim Granlund.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:13:08 -0000
From: "Steve Hunt" <steve@tnet.co.uk>
Subject: targeting frames

Hi,

I have had a few responses about the targeting of specific pages, whilst
still being held within their original framesets...

everyone has resigned to telling me that I need to build a frameset
identical to the original but specific to that page!!

Is this really true..?

Where are porter and jester when you need them?!!!????

Surely there is a clever and overcomplicated way of doing this!??!

Cheers

steve (spine...#)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:39:45 -0800
From: - Mark - <malunn@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Video Capture/Editing?

Greetings and High Thoughts to all~

I only happened onto this list a few days ago, and though I generally
lurk awhile before venturing to post, I find myself unusually compelled
to announce (to whomever may care to read this) that I'm extraordinarily
pleased by what I've been able to glean so far! What a serendipitous
discovery!

I've been teaching myself this webpage stuff in fits and starts over the
past year or so, and am just now starting to get serious about it. It's
my new year's resolution to do a makeover on the website of the zoo
where I work -

http://www.chaffeezoo.org

It seems I impressed the zoo director sufficiently - I basically have
carte blanche regarding the design aspect... as long as the content is
presented well. What a great opportunity for a beginner, eh?

WELL-- the zoo just put together a wonderful multimedia lab(!) centered
around a Pentium II 233 mHz, 6 gig HD, 128 Mb RAM, DVD-ROM, 2x speed
Rewriteable CD recorder- with cool peripherals including three different
microscopic devices, and a gonzo movie projector with killer
sound-surround (we rented "Contact" last night and ordered
pizza...WOW!).

Ok, now that you know where I'm coming from, to the point: We would like
to digitally capture and edit movie clips - from video cassette,
camcorder, CD-ROM, etc. - with sound, and possibly even mix in a few
stills. We need to impress the Board O' Directors. I'm not up on the
available tools, and we really need to keep the bill under $1,000.00.
Someone suggested Snappy for the still shots. But is there an
economically priced tool that will capture (and edit) clips, sounds and
still pictures from both a camcorder and a VCR (as well as CD ROMs)? I'd
like to keep flexibility as a priority - i.e.: able to work with as many
various mediums and input/output devices as possible.

I'm afraid I've rambled on a bit long - especially on my introductory
post! - and for that, I humbly apologize. Also, I apologize if the
subject is not completely web-oriented, but I don't rule out the
potential coolness this could bring to the website, too.

Again, I'm happy as a clam to have stumbled in here. I'm gonna try to
pick yer brains 'til mine is full. *grin* (May not take long.)

Thanks for any helpful suggestions!

- Mark Lunn -

"It's OK to color outside the lines."
- My Mom -

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:28:00 +0100 (MET)
From: cvodb <vonb@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Video Capture/Editing?

> Someone suggested Snappy for the still shots. But is there an
> economically priced tool that will capture (and edit) clips, sounds and
> still pictures from both a camcorder and a VCR (as well as CD ROMs)? I'd
> like to keep flexibility as a priority - i.e.: able to work with as many
> various mediums and input/output devices as possible.

Miro (www.miro.com) have capture cards for the pc that do
the job nicely and are easily within your budget.
I have the (now deleted) MIRO DC-10 and am very happy
with it. (some of my captures on gavinfriday.com/video.html
if you want to check out the results) I got mine
second hand for around 500 guilders (250 US dollars).
Then there's the AV master, from FAST, which we never
got to work at my previous job, but that had to
do with the COMPAQ machines we had to work with.
AV master cards are a bit more pricey - the
one we had was 1700 guilders (850 dollars)

HOpe this helps.

Caroline
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:29:16 -0600
From: Pat Flanagan <pfpd@pfpd.com>
Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0 Gold -Background Bug?

> Has anyone ever had a problem of Netscape 3.0 not loading backgrounds?
>My customer can't see my backgrounds for some reason. The site uses frames,
>and she is on Windows 3.1 This is quite annoying! I can't convince her to
>install
>a new browser. She's afraid of "messing up" her computer.
>
>The URL is http://www.webtamers.com/harvesters/
>
>The left panel should have a "Soil" texture, with a background of a faded
>"harvest basket"
>on the main page.
>
>She say's she sees backgrounds on other sites, have I done something wrong
>here?

OK, I'm going out on a limb here, but I noticed that the filenames for both
backgrounds do not adhere to the 8.3 16-bit naming convention. It shouldn't
make a difference, as the browser is supposed to compensate for that (I
believe!?!). Try renaming the files to something shorter (e.g., change
"PanelBack.gif" to "soilback.gif", and "background.gif" to "bsktback.gif"),
change the filenames in the code, and see if she can see it now. I
encountered occasional problems with this a long while back, and decided
that I would ALWAYS follow the 8.3 naming convention, and use all lowercase
letters. Haven't had any problems since.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:09:01 -0500
From: "Michael Fegan" <feganmic@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: java script question/height&width of pop window

Hola babblers - i was wondering is someone can give me some help with some
java scripting. I'm creating a pop-up menu for a site that is launched when
a link is clicked. The window pops-up, but the height and width
specifications denoted below in my script does not seem to effect the size
of the window that appears. could any of you expert java junkies give me a
hand?

function instruct() {
iwin = window.open("tests.html","IWIN",
"status=no,toolbar=no,location=no,menu=no,width=430,height=35");
}

Michael Fegan
feganmic@pilot.msu.edu
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of the night...

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:18:48 +0000
From: "Christian Kirschniak" <ck@dsein.com>
Subject: Re: Video Capture/Editing?

MArk:

I would suggest the Miro DC30. Great Stuff. It must be around $600 and comes
with a bundle of softwart tools. (The best tool for editing is Premiere from
Adobe, by the way...(IMO) Pricely!!!)
The DC30 can capture and edit full screen video with up to 30fps. Enough for
most (even semi-professional video) purposes...
Hope this will help a little...

Christian Kirschniak
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>
>Ok, now that you know where I'm coming from, to the point: We would like
>to digitally capture and edit movie clips - from video cassette,
>camcorder, CD-ROM, etc. - with sound, and possibly even mix in a few
>stills. We need to impress the Board O' Directors. I'm not up on the
>available tools, and we really need to keep the bill under $1,000.00.
>Someone suggested Snappy for the still shots. But is there an
>economically priced tool that will capture (and edit) clips, sounds and
>still pictures from both a camcorder and a VCR (as well as CD ROMs)? I'd
>like to keep flexibility as a priority - i.e.: able to work with as many
>various mediums and input/output devices as possible.
>
>I'm afraid I've rambled on a bit long - especially on my introductory
>post! - and for that, I humbly apologize. Also, I apologize if the
>subject is not completely web-oriented, but I don't rule out the
>potential coolness this could bring to the website, too.
>
>Again, I'm happy as a clam to have stumbled in here. I'm gonna try to
>pick yer brains 'til mine is full. *grin* (May not take long.)
>
>Thanks for any helpful suggestions!
>
> - Mark Lunn -
>
>"It's OK to color outside the lines."

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:15:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Newell <matt@ns.qnis.net>
Subject: Re: targeting frames

/me does the "javascript/html" jig on the table.

with that done.

i almost answered this about five times.. but didnt know how to word it,
so bear with me

you bust a frame setup.. and just link to that site ... into the main
frame window..i think i even have an example:

go to: www.star101.com... click on the JAM TV link in the nav bar.

you will notice it links to some damn thing .... but still has their nav
bar at the top.. (get it?)

the frame set calls the regular nav bar to the top, then calls the
extracuricular page to the main viewing window.

hope this helps :D

-- jEsTeR

www.sweetillusions.org
== ================================= === ==
jester@sweetillusions.org
== ================================= === ==
whatever is not nailed down is mine;
what i can pry loose, is not nailed down

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Steve Hunt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have had a few responses about the targeting of specific pages, whilst
> still being held within their original framesets...
>
> everyone has resigned to telling me that I need to build a frameset
> identical to the original but specific to that page!!
>
> Is this really true..?
>
> Where are porter and jester when you need them?!!!????
>
> Surely there is a clever and overcomplicated way of doing this!??!
>
> Cheers
>
> steve (spine...#)
>
> design department
> ------------------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------------------------
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> Play: http://www.tnet.co.uk/users/spine
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>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:33:11 -0500
From: Dreadscott Internet Productions <java@dreadscott.com>
Subject: Re: java script question/height&width of pop window

At 10:09 AM 1/23/98 -0500, Michael Fegan wrote:
... The window pops-up, but the height and width
>specifications denoted below in my script does not seem to effect the size
>of the window that appears. could any of you expert java junkies give me a
>hand?
>
>function instruct() {
> iwin = window.open("tests.html","IWIN",
> "status=no,toolbar=no,location=no,menu=no,width=430,height=35");
> }

Here's one idea: add resizeable=0 ? And use "0" rather than "no".

I've used this with sucess:

<!-- hide it
function open_window(url) {
poem =
window.open(url,"wstevens",'toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0,menu
bar=0,scrollbars=1,resizable=0,width=480,height=400');
}

// -->

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:02:46 -0500
From: Ryan Ferguson <signacct@signweb.com>
Subject: Re: java script question/height&width of pop window

Anyone know where I can find a javascript scrolling function? I want to
scroll a page (oddly enough) from bottom to top.

Ryan Ferguson
signacct@signweb.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:35:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Newell <matt@ns.qnis.net>
Subject: Re: java script question/height&width of pop window

</HEAD>

that works for me

-- jEsTeR

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Michael Fegan wrote:

> Hola babblers - i was wondering is someone can give me some help with some
> java scripting. I'm creating a pop-up menu for a site that is launched when
> a link is clicked. The window pops-up, but the height and width
> specifications denoted below in my script does not seem to effect the size
> of the window that appears. could any of you expert java junkies give me a
> hand?
>
> function instruct() {
> iwin = window.open("tests.html","IWIN",
> "status=no,toolbar=no,location=no,menu=no,width=430,height=35");
> }
>
>
> Michael Fegan
> feganmic@pilot.msu.edu
> -------------------------
> I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
> madness, starving hysterical naked,
> dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn
> looking for an angry fix,
> angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly
> connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery
> of the night...
>
> "Howl" - Allen Ginsberg
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:40:00 -0800
From: kvz@juno.com
Subject: Babble archive?

Months ago, someone posted a message about a Babble archive and FAQ they
where compiling. Anyone know where that lives now?

Thanks,
Keith
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:43:22 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: Re: java script question/height&width of pop window

I've got a demo in my workshop where I play with links to scroll a page.
It's by no means a canonical demo, but it may help:
http://www.serve.com/apg/workshop/scrollTest.html

- - Porter

At 01:02 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Ryan Ferguson wrote:
>Anyone know where I can find a javascript scrolling function? I want to
>scroll a page (oddly enough) from bottom to top.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:15:32 -0500
From: Michael Tucker <mrtucker@fayettevillenc.com>
Subject: Window Size

Hi all....

....forgive me if this is another question reaffirming to the design
community at large that I am indeed lost in cyberspace.... but.... I'm
askin' anyway, so prepare yourselves.

Is there a way to specify window size when someone surfs onto a site?

Suppose Jill User clicks a link out there that takes her to my site- are
there tags or is there a script that will automatically resize her
window to the optimum viewing size that I predetermined? kinda like
(makin' up my own html, thank you....) <windowsize width=640
length=480> ????

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming..... or coding or
what-have-you.

- --
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New Media Online Producer
Fayetteville Observer-Times
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:24:39 -0500
From: Porter Glendinning <pglendinning@cen.com>
Subject: Re: Babble archive?

At 01:40 PM 1/23/98 -0800, KVZ wrote:
>
>Months ago, someone posted a message about a Babble archive and FAQ they
>where compiling. Anyone know where that lives now?

I'm still working on compiling the FAQ. However, your post made me think of
something that I could use a little feed back on from the other list
members out there.

I had been trying to stay away from covering the extremely basic questions
- -- providing links to other resources that do cover them -- using the FAQ
to answer the more advanced issues that we discuss on the list. For
example, as of now, I'm not including a description of how to do a
JavaScript image rollover (I have links to places that discuss this) but I
am including a Q/A on doing rollovers that involve animated GIFs.

What do you all think? My feeling is that there are enough resources that
cover the basic issues that, as long as the FAQ can point people to them in
appropriate places, it doesn't need to rehash all that material.

- - Porter

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