The Comprepoetica SiteLog
Entries Written by SiteMaster, Bob Grumman

Wednesday 24 September 1997: first attempts to build my home page; lots of stumbling but I finally inserted text onto it--and a working link to a subsite!

Friday 26 September 1997: I made a few small changes to the site--and spent some time vainly trying to put a graphic onto the Comprepoetica home page. The big problem seems to be putting the graphic into a file that the page-building program can access. It apparently can't access my hard drive.

Saturday 27 September 1997: this morning I've been opening the files I expect to be using at my website, including this one, which is to be a log of what happens on, to, at, in, etc., the site, and what's said off-site about it. I will also be commenting on the dictionary's progress.

Monday 29 September 1997: I now have a version of my essay about schools of poetry in one of the room, or whatever they're called here at Comprepoetica.

Tuesday 30 September 1997: My Internet acted up today: it kept freezing up. Prior to that I outlined my main survey form, which will be for all interested parties (I had been considering separate surveys for poets, critics, aesthcipients and editor publishers). I revised my file on schools of poetry and spent quite a bit of time trying to get a form set up there but failed. I now have a sample response form in the file that I can modify so should be able to get a form that works as soon as I can spend another hour or so working on the file.

Wednesday 1 October 1997: I had a good deal of trouble with the Internet program. The computer froze up whenever I tried to get on the Internet now. I talked to Alan Helbing, my server, and he had me try a few things that didn't work. He'll be over tomorrow to re-install the software, though, which should take care of the problem. Along the way, I worked some on the schools section of Comprepoetica. I actually sent myself some mail from it, but the thing is far from right, and I got tired of playing with it.

Thursday 2 October 1997: Alan Helbing not only fixed my Internet problem but educated me in the use of my scanner a good deal.

Saturday 4 October 1997: The big news this morning is that Comprepoetica has had two visits since I last dropped in on it. That makes five visits, excluding mine, since I put up the counter button! The counter now reads "18," incidentally. Now I'm waiting for help putting up a graphic from Brian Hayden, a GeoCities volunteer helper who's given me some helpful suggestions during the past week.

Saturday 4 October 1997: It's around 8 P.M. I've spent a couple of hours fooling with my schools section, and I'm feeling good, for I seem to have successfully installed a form visitors can fill out and send to me. Only one problem: I want the person sending a response to go back to my home page when he's sent it. Now he just gets a message showing him his message. Next: a much longer one for poets, poetry critics, editors and readers, etc., to fill out. That could take a while.

Sunday 5 October 1997: I had a lot of trouble getting my main survey form up and working: I couldn't mail any test responses, because of a link, apparently. I changed where I put the link several times; finally I put it toward the front of the page, and was able to mail responses. I now think my form should work. I'm sure there are a lot of things I can improve about it but I'm satisfied with it for now. All I need to do is get my graphic up to feel that my site is truly up.

Tuesday 7 October 1997: I finally got the graphic I wanted on my home page planted there. It was easy once I remembered how to download a file from my hard drive into the operating space of the website-construction system, or whatever it is. But I couldn't get my scanner to scan my image ("Mathemaku No. 10") properly, nor could I get Macromedia Xres, the program I use to refine my graphic for use on the web to work the way I wanted it to. Ideally the poem would be in the same blue that the rest of the text on the page is, and its background would be the same blue that the page's background is. For one thing, though, the little color chart I use in Macromedia Xres is only half onscreen, with the blue samples offscreen, so I had to improvise. Hence, the black text of the poem, and the light yellow background. Eventually, I'll have an improved version up, I'm confident. In the meantime, I'm satisfied with the present version. Ergo: I'm almost ready to officially announce the existence of my site.

Wednesday 8 October 1997: Today I added a "voting booth" to the site. Now visitors can vote for their favorite American poets and poems. There's a sub-site for results, now, too. My visitor-counter now reads, "38," but I don't think anyone be I have visited the site for some time. I believe it's gotten 5 or 6 visits from people other than myself so far.

Friday 10 October 1997: Nothing much going on at Comprepoetica but I DID improve its homepage graphic, getting it fairly straight on the page. It took a lot of work with my editor-- because I know so little about its operation.

Sunday 12 October 1997: Today is Columbus Day, an important day for me that I think of as Path-to-a-New-World Day. It's also the first day of the Jewish New Year, I've been told. In short, it's a good day for officially opening Comprepoetica, so that's what I've just done (at 10:01 A.M.), with the following message to the Poetics site at SUNY, Buffalo (with some 500 participants, at least 100 of whom better check out my site or I'll be disgusted):

"Today I have decided to announce the Official Opening of COMPREPOETICA, a website devoted (as much as possible) to the WHOLE RANGE of contemporary American Poetry. And of World Poetry eventually, but I can only start so big. If you think, like I, that no reference has come close to doing justice to the current poetry scene as a whole, then you should see the value of Comprepoetica.

"At the heart of my site is a survey form for poets, critics, editors, publishers and readers of poetry. Its main use will be to provide data for the biographical entries in the Comprepoetica Dictionary of Contemporary American Poetry, Poetics, Poets Etc., which will eventually by published by my own Runaway Spoon Press, a micro-publishing operation now ten-years-old. These entries will also be available to the public at Comprepoetica (or elsewhere on the Net if I run out of room at Comprepoetica).

Definitions of various poetics terms (supplied not only by me but by anyone who wants to send me any) will eventually be available for comment at Comprepoetica, as well--plus discussions of schools of contemporary poetry, and other aspects of the scene, such as significant magazines being published, and anthologies, and what's been on radio, the Internet, and even television. Anything that seems pertinent to an understanding of Contemporary Poetry--all of it--in America.

"And for BIG FUN, I have a section where votes can be cast for one's favorite poets and poems! (yow)

"I hope you'll ALL visit my site soon--and contribute to it! And tell your friends! Help get my visitor-counter into triple figures!"

I had to send this message twice because I forgot to put the address in the first time. Ridiculous. But now we is officially open. (With the counter at 54.)

*****It is now around 5 P.M. Twelve visits other than mine had been made to Comprepoetica the last time I looked. Meanwhile, I just wrote a slew of words explaining my "Mathemaku No. 10." I hope they help those who have trouble with that poem.

Monday 13 October 1997: I added the terms defined (incompletely) in the glossary of my book, Of Manywhere-at-Once, Volume OneComprepoetica subsite that has to do with entries to the Comprepoetica dictionary. I did a few other minor things, too, but just what, I can't remember. The visit-counter ended the day over 100. I estimate that the site had about 30 visits other than mine on Sunday and another ten or fifteen today.

Tuesday 14 October 1997: As I start the day at around 9:30 A.M., the visit-counter reads 110. I've gotten 3 surveys back plus four sets of votes for favorite poets and poems, one of them mine (and incomplete). I hope to do a fair amount of work at the site today as I didn't get a substitute teaching assignment (subbing being how I get by--subbing and not spending money).

It is now 12 hours or so since I entered the preceding paragraph. The visit-counter (and I'm pretty proud of being possibly the first person in the world to call that what it is) reads 126. Five survey forms have been sent in, the fullest one coming from Pierre Joris. Around the same number of voting returns have come in.

I didn't do a tremendous amount of work on the site today, but did do some work toward getting rough bios out of the surveys; and I popped a term-laden text on literary taxonomy into my file of dictionary entries. This I hope to cull entries for the dictionary from. I await proposed entries from others. I'm pleased with the way things are going.

Thursday 16 October 1997: The past two days I've made several minute improvements to the site--and finally made the biographical entries I so far have available (7 of them), some barely edited. They're all in a file at a second website (Poetbios) that I got from GeoCities after getting a free e.mail address from iname.com. The counter reads 152.

Friday 17 October 1997: It's about one-thirty in the afternoon. I've just spent threeorfour hours of fairly intense work on getting the seven entries so far submitted for what I'm now calling the Comprepoetica On-Line Biographical Dictionary of Poets semi-readable and into the proper file. They can now be visited. I also added a few questionable questions to the survey, on things like eye-color and sexual preference, which interest me but will offend some, I'm sure. But no one is required to answer every question.

It's now eight o'clock. I took care of two more biographical entries, so Comprepoetica now has 9! The counter now reads 164, so it would seem that the site is drawing around ten visits a day, not counting mine. How many visitors would that be? Six or seven. At least two, I know, because I've gotten two filled-out survey forms today.

11:15 A.M., Sunday, 19 October 1997: Not much has been going on. The visit count is only up to 174, and I've gotten no new filled-out survay forms since my last entry. Just now I revised the vote-for-poets feature, making it easier for casual visitors. They just have to type in favorite poets' names now, and the process takes place on the home page. I like my multi-unite flexible vote, but the vote is too minor to be fancy with. I'm only using it as a draw. Well, also out of curiosity about the outcome--and because GeoCities might like it and help me out with my site because of it. This is something I hope to look into. Yesterday, by the way, I picked up another free e.mail address, so was able to get another 2 megabytes to link to this site. I'm using it for the poems people filling out the surveys include.

Noon, Saturday, 25 October 1997: Nothing much has been going on here at Comprepoetica this past week. I've tinkered with the site and added a third 2-megabyte addition that I plan to use for miscellaneous writings on poetry. This morning I had trouble getting into this file but the trouble went away. I remain pleased with GeoCities and my site, but am getting tired. Visits are diminishing: the counter reads about 215 right now.

9:30 A.M., 26 October 1997: I just posted the following letter to the Poets & Writers website:

Hi. I'm writing you to let you know about a poetry-related website I started early this month, and officially opened on Columbus Day. It's called Comprepoetica and is at http://geocities.datacellar.net/SoHo/Cafe/1492/. I hope you'll get over to it sometime and that you'll find it worth reporting both at your website and in your magazine. Its most serious purpose is to gather data about poets--both for a poetry/poetics dictionary I'm planning that will be part biographical, and for a simple on-line list of poets like your own directory except with more data (and less selectivity). I hope to have essays at the site, too, and ongoing discussions of poetics terminology (also for use in the dictionary). The fun come-on is a poll I'm running for favorite living, and favorite all-time American poets. So far only about one person a day votes at my site, so I do need publicity! I hope you can provide some for me!

                                                                                 Sincerely, Bob Grumman

7:15 P.M. I did quite a bit of work at the site today. I put an alphabetized index of bios in at the bio subsite, a process delayed for almost an hour because I had a comma where I needed a period in one instruction that I pasted into twenty files. Fixing the comma was easy but I had to wait a couple of minutes to go from one file to another. And once or twice I forgot which file I'd corrected and went back to one I'd already done. I'm not sure what else I did, but I feel the site is slowly getting reasonably effective. The counter says 225.

30 October 1997: A couple of nights ago I submitted Comprepoetica to Alta Vista for listing and it was supposedly accepted. I was told it would take a few days for people to be able to find it through Alta Vista, though. I just tried Alta Vista and got no matches. Meanwhile, I've futzed around a little with the colors at the Comprepoetica home page, and put in margins, thanks to some code Ted Warnell sent me. He had gotten in touch with me about the site Damian Lopes has for my Runaway Spoon Press catalogue, which he had linked to, and I persuaded him to link to Comprepoetica, as well. No reply yet from Poets & Writers. The counter is up to 265. I believe more visits have been made to the site by people other than I than by me. I have 18 bios stored now--but probably half need processing that I seem too lazy to do.

I just thought of something my site could use: a search engine that would search only it.

1 November 1997: Interesting: the site has been officially open twenty days now and it now has twenty bios of poets. That's encouraging; also a little frightening. What if Comprepoetica becomes popular?! The counter says 278 (It's around 6 P.M.)

2 November 1997: Comprepoetica has now been officially open for three weeks and has accumulated 21 bios, most of them hurriedly and only semi-adequately rendered readable. Today I added the first bio of a critic, Michel Delville's. The counter reads 287. I continue to do housekeeping, and make small improvements. Nothing exciting is going on, though. I don't expect to make any further entries to this log for a while.

22 November 1997: Yesterday GeoCities informed me that Comprepoetica had 77 official visits during the first half of the month, and its companion, the site devoted to biographies of poets, had 41. Better that 2 and 1 per day, which is pretty good, I think. It now reads 371. I now have 29 biographies stored, a few of which I still have to process. The site no longer seems very yowie to me but I think it's progressing well. The counter went defunct for a while since I last made an entry here. I had to push it up from 9 or so to what I thought it ought to be be constantly reloading the home page, each reload making the counter add one to its total. I haven't been doing much work at the site, but did format, boldface, italicize, etc., the outline of my literary taxonomy that I have in the file for the terminological part of the dictionary. A few suggestions for new schools came in: "parataxis," "alterity" and "aleatory." The latter might be a sub-school. In my formal taxonomy, it would be a technique only, since it can lead to any number of different kinds of poems, depending on the kind of set-up a given poet chooses to hold the results of his chance-generated operations, whatever they are. "Alterity" sounds like my "otherstream," an umbrella term I'd use to classify a wide variety of schools under, and "parataxis" is a synonym for "jump-cut," which is already on my list. This set of responses, which I appreciate, came in anonymously, which I don't, because it prevents me from finding out more, if necessary.

27 November 1997: I haven't been doing much here at Comprepoetica for a while. The site continues not to get many visits, but the counter has reached 400. I now have 31 bios and 19 samples of poetry available. A day or two ago I put margins into the bio files; I'd forgotten about them when I put margins into the other Comprepoetica files. They look much nicer now. I still need to fix up several of them that are still just raw data. I'm awfully lazy, though.
A month has now passed since I e.mailed Poets & Writers about my site, by the way. I've gotten no reply.

3 December 1997: the counter now reads 441. I've added another essay about my taxonomy to Comprepoetica but not yet made it accessible to visitors. I first want to touch it up. I e.mailed Poets & Writers a second time, by the way, but haven't heard back. I'll try them one more time before I write them off as estabniks. (Frankly, if they were really interested in the advancement of poetry, I wouldn't have had to write them about my site; they would have been aware of it.)

5 December 1997, 6 AM: traffic is lessening at Comprepoetica. The counter reads just 449 and the latest report from GeoCities is that the site had only 61 visits during the second half of November; the biographical section had 55. Meanwhile, I e.mailed my request for a little publicity to Poets & Writers again yesterday. Little else is going on.

7 January 1998, 5 PM: it's been over a month since I made an entry here, so I guess I ought to make one. Little to say, though. The Comprepoetica visit-counter reads 595. I just added a very short biography to my bio section to bring the count there to 43. I haven't been doing much to/with the site lately. I was quite sick for a couple of weeks with the flu and who knows what else. Not sure whether I'm over it yet or not, but am not up to trying to revive Comprepoetica right now. I'm not feeling too yowie about it but if my halth gets better, I'm sure I'll regain at least some of my initial enthusiasm--and be more aggressive about getting bios. I never heard back from Poets & Writers, incidentally. Not even a polite, sorry, can't do anything for you. But they're in an entirely different world from me.

29 January 1998: It would appear that visits are averaging about 4 a day now--not much. The counter now reads 635. The latest report from GeoCities, which was for 17 December to 15 January, says that the site had 132 "qualified visits" (which excludes extra visits close together from the same address). Only one has sent me data for a bio in the past couple of weeks. I'm getting discouraged.

9 February 1998: The counter is only up to 655 now, down to two visits a day. And I've only gotten one new bio, for Ken Brandon, which I hope to put up tonight. Meanwhile, a medical problem has struck me, so I might not be too involved with this site for a while. Apologies to anyone I therefore let down in anyway.

19 April 1998: Nothing new to report except that the past two notes from GeoCities telling me how many visits the site has gotten during March said there have been 57, or just under two-a-day. The site counter reads 788. I just recently got a new bio. I hope to put it up today.

On another front, my medical problem (prostate cancer) continues but is under treatment. The prognosis is good. Meanwhile, yesterday I found out one of my two cats has terminal cancer. I begin to wonder if anything in my life will go right again. I will try to keep this site going nonetheless.

20 September 1998: A long hiatus. Things are going better now. I still miss my cat, but radiation treatments and seed implants seem to have knocked out my prostate cancer. I did a lot of traveling over the summer, from which I'm only now starting to recover--as I try to re-adjust to my return to substitute teaching at one of the local high schools. I had a bio to add to the site, which I did earlier; I also updated a bio at the request of one of the Comprepoetica biographees. Meanwhile, I got a letter from someone who put no e.mail address with it. He suggested I add the term, "isotope," to mean "an anagrammatical form, each line of which uses only the sixteen letters of a 4x4 word square." Problems: the term is already associated with chemistry, and I can't see how its use there is at all similar to the poetics use described in my correspondent's letter. The kind of poem he describes sounds rather obscure, too. But I'd like to discuss the term further if my correspondent will get back to me. I hope to keep up with this site better in the future, but probably won't do too well for several months. I hope people will send in biographical material and anything else they think might fit in with the rest of this site, anyway.

Further note: I just realized that Comprepoetica will have its first birthday in about three weeks. The visit count stands at 1058, or approximately three visits-a-day. It had gotten down to barely one a day during the summer, but jumped back to nearly three-a-day recently--probably because Daniel Zimmerman was kind enough to recommend it to a class he's teaching.

16 January 1999: Nothing's been happening here for quite a while. Visits are down to about one a day. I recently got an interesting suggestion for a school: "faxomaticism"--for poets who practice "fax interupted and electronically disturbed transmissions." Seems to me it's a poetics term but too narrow to name a school with. At most it would be a sub-school of a fax-poetry school. "Verbo-Visual Poetry" is another recently-arrived suggested term but not too useful, I'm afraid, since we already have visual poetry, which--as poetry--is already verbal. On the other hand, since there are those arguing for averbal visual poetry, perhaps "verbo-visual" would work for visual poetry that is verbal, and "averbo-visual poetry" for visual poetry that is not. In any event, I welcome such suggestions. I do not welcome such sludge as the following, which I also received fairly recently--as a "poetics term":

the box once upon a time in the land hush-a-by they came across curious sort of box it was bound by chains and locked by locks and labled "kindley do not touch its war"

the children understood the children happend to be good and were just as good around the the time of war they never tried to

In some other context I would take this as a mildly amusing bit of sentimentality, but here it seems some sort of ignorant dig at the value of defining things--boxing them, that is--and hinting that such a practice leads to war. Or maybe I'm reading too much into an innocent if confused posting.

Now for an announcement. In hopes of reviving Comprepoetica, I've decided to start regularly posting reviews of poetry collections, and individual poems--as well as poetics/poetry-related essays of the sort already at my site. I hope to have the first one up sometime in February. So, if you have anything you want me to consider--about ANY KIND OF POETRY, e.mail it to me--with, please, a return address, so I can get back to you about it. Snail-mail submissions will be okay, too, though it may be a long time before I can deal with one. My intention is have a series of weekly posts containing only posts I like (which will depend mainly on their skill at close-reading) or my own (since I doubt that I'll be getting submissions from too many others for a while). But I will also archive unused submissions--so long as I have space to do so. I plan to have two feedback files available, too--one for what I consider sensible & coherent responses to posted essays, and one for the rest. I hope also to start posting more of my own published essays by themselves--with essays from others, published or unpublished, if anyone will send them to me.

10 February 1999: the latest word is that visits are up at Comprepoetica from less than 30 per half-month to 80, according to the last count. But my many visits backstage to do housekeeping may be getting counted, so I'm not sure if the site is beginning to win back interest. In any event, I've decided to slaim that Comprepoetica had gotten 1492 visits by 2 February, my birthday. The count today was 1529. Jack Foley's essay, the first--and so far only--one at the Variably-Authored Essay Section has so far drawn 17 visits; my essay section has gotten 30. No one has responded to anything by e.mail for quite a while.

15 February 1999: According to my counter, visits to Comprepoetica are now up to 1638, which means they've been up to 20-a-say for the past five days. That seems unlikely. Probably my fussing around backstage is adding to the count in some manner. Much of the fussing was over two new reviews, one by Ralph La Charity now viewable, and one by Charles Potts that I haven't made accessible to viewers yet. So I now have three critics contributing, which is a relief. I don't want the site to be all Me. A lot of it will stay Me, though: I've just put in a section to be devoted to my columns from Small Press Review. Bios are starting to trickle back in, too. The two latest are from Bobbie West and Tim Gilbert. I also got some suggested terms for use in the Comprepoetica Dictionary (if there ever is one): "visual poetry," which I already have, and "extended metaphor" and "personification," which I would have gotten around to adding. The first reason someone writes poetry that's not on my list came in a few days ago, too: "I write poetry only when i can't sleep at night without writing it." Frankly, I consider this a frivolous reason and don't think I'll be adding it to my list. On the other hand, the idea of poetry as a mental exercise makes sense. I think one of my reasons already on the list is too close to that for me to add it, though. . . .

Things do seem to be looking up here.

16 February 1999: the visits counter now says 1663. Some of those are mine, and some Karl Kempton checking the essay of his that I put up, and which has a bunch of mistakes I hope soon to correct. Still, the site continues to be pretty active.

I just finished getting the last of the recent three new bios right. Its subject, David Kopaska-Merkel suggested three new questions for the Comprepoetica Survey, which I'vejust added to it, along with an additional related question I thought of. His three questions: "Why do you write poetry?" "When did you start writing poetry?" "Why do you read poetry?" I added, "Why did you start writing poetry?"

8 April 1999: I have just discovered I'm out of room, so there will have to be a part two to this sitelog. Phooey.

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