Posted by LP on November 25, 1997 at 14:00:11:
In Reply to: Marius' behavior posted by Cecilia on November 25, 1997 at 13:13:11:
: Well, I don't know who said what, so I will try to argue in general here.
: : :but I hate seeing the Roman painted as a blood thirsty killer... even if he technically is... ;)
: : LOL!! Great phrasing! No, I don't think that he went after everybody who knew even the slightest hint of a whisper of a rumour. But I do think that under the guise and belief of self defense and nipping the problem in the bud that he did kill a lot of vampires who had potentially usful information. However, he couldn't have gone overboard on this, because it was still just a legend of his existance. He had to be discreet.
: I have a question here. Why did Lestat risked being killed by Marius? What would Marius had done to Lestat if Akasha had not raised? These are related questions, I think that Marius would kill those who were near enough to the truth. Was Santino near the truth?
Marius didn't seem so much upset at Lestat as he did amused by him in the beginning of QotD. Nobody believed the old legends anymore, and they didn't seem like they were going to, unless Marius came out of the woodwork to punish Lestat. Then all of the stories would have been proved true. However, as long as Marius didn't show himself, then there was no substantial proof, and Lestat could just have put together a bunch of the legends and created a story, being as there were absolutely no witnesses to his little talk with Marius. Something like what Plato did when he had Meno and Socrates or Paramenides and Socrates takling together, though they were really arguing Plato's own arguments, not each other's.
The question is would there have been retribution had the vampires of the world come searching for Marius (if Akasha hadn't risen)? I'd have to really sit and think about that one for a while.
: : : and later, when talking about drinking from Akasha, which he admits to having done on more than one occasion and very heavily - "A few droplets will strengthen you, but if she gives you more then that, a full measure, hardly any force on earth can destroy you after that." So Marius didn't have much to fear about his own safety. On the other hand, he would have had quite a bit to fear for Armand's. So if the coven had wanted to pin him down and extract information from him, why not use the time honored method of using a loved one against him? A threat to Armand would have gone alot father than pouncing on Marius with torches, you'd think. So that leaves one with the conclusion that the entire 'searching for Those Who Must Be Kept' alibi was a weak second in favor of doing away with the potential threat that Marius represented. Either that, or they just didn't think the entire thing through very well, now did they? =P
: LP, this could be a reason for not looking for Armand, don't you think so?
Yee-aahhh. I think so. However, I have two problems with Marius in this case. One, just leaving Armand to the wolves is rather unfair to Armand, and it doesn't show a great deal of supporting love and loyalty on Marius' part. The second is that if Santino could teach Armand to defend himself, and Marius could teach *himself*, then *why* couldn't Marius teach Armand? Just keep a really low profile until Armand can defend himself properly and hide himself properly, and then go back to living among the mortals.
: : : : So here's the theory, reading between the lines. The lines of protection from Akasha's fury came from three distinct lines: Age, Lestat and Marius. At no point in the book is Marius ever hostile to Santino.
: : : Hostile? No. Brisk might be a better word for it. Bristling. Pushing away Pandora and Mael and everyone, snapping at Maharet - that was a picture of Marius in one hell of a bad temper, as far as he goes.
: : He did that with everyone, as you are pointing out. But in regards to the people who either speak *to* him, or whom *he* speaks to, Santy is the only one who is not bristled at by Marius.
: He did that to everyone but Armand, remember. He melted when he saw Armand, he stopped fighting with Maharet out of fear he might not be able to see Armand (sigh!)
Doh! Jeez I was tired last night when I wrote that! (I'm the two dots.) Armand gets a special category though, wouldn't you think? I mean, it is a long lost lover reunion type of thing. Not really so with Pandora or Santino or Mael. Maybe I'll just stop now while I'm still ahead. No, at the time I did not remember that.
: This is getting rather long and confusing.
: Cecilia
You're telling me!! *grin* I have to keep checking to see which ones I've answered and which I haven't! LP.