QUESTION: I would like to understand a little more concretely about this marriage between the forces of love and cruelty. For instance, in a case of a child who feels rejected by his mother. In this case, does the marriage then mean that the person cannot experience pleasure unless he also experiences revenge -- some kind of sadistic wish toward the mother? Perhaps only in fantasy, never in reality, and then the person is usually unaware of the fact that the partner represents the mother.
ANSWER: Yes, it might be exactly that. Or it might be that pleasure can be experienced only in connection with being rejected again, or a little rejected, or in being fearful that rejection may occur.
QUESTION: But he didn't experience pleasure when he was rejected.
ANSWER: Of course not. But the child uses the pleasure principle in order to make the negative event -- namely, the suffering -- more bearable. This happens unconsciously, unintentionally, and almost automatically. The pleasure principle inadvertently mingles with -- and thus combines with -- the negative condition. The only way this can be determined is by investigating one's fantasy life. In that way the marriage can be established. The automatic reflexes are then geared to a situation that combines the inherent pleasure with the painful event.
QUESTION: And he wishes to reproduce this rejection?
ANSWER: He does not consciously wish this, of course. No one wants to be rejected. The trouble is that he consciously wishes to be accepted and loved, but unconsciously he cannot respond to a completely accepting and favorable situation. The pleasure principle has already been led into the negative channel. It can be re-channeled only through awareness and through understanding. The nature of his conflict is that his pleasure principle functions in a way that he consciously wants to avoid. It cannot be said that he unconsciously desires rejection, but the reflex had already been established at a time when this way of functioning made life more bearable for the child. Do you understand that?
QUESTION: I don't quite understand how pleasure can be experienced at all when someone is rejected, except in the form of revenge. That I can understand.
ANSWER: Perhaps you can imagine also -- one sees this over and over again -- that when someone feels too secure in being accepted and loved, then he loses the spark of interest. This, too, is rationalized by claiming it to be an inevitable law, happening through habit. But it does not have to be that way, if it were not for the factors discussed in this lecture. The spark, the interest, the dynamic flow exists only when there is either an unsure situation or an unhappy situation. You see this frequently. Sometimes the negative condition exists only in fantasies. When examined closely -- in other words, when analyzed -- then these fantasies are, in one way or another, always attached to suffering, to humiliation, or to hostility. Then this is called either masochism or sadism. Do you understand now?
QUESTION: Yes, I think I do. Since every child experiences rejection, and since every child is insatiable in his demands, when will there be an end to this situation? Because it always starts again with each incarnation.
ANSWER: You can see that there is a differentiation among human beings. There are those who function in a much healthier way, where their pleasure principle responds more strongly to a positive situation. This is the result of their evolution. When a completely positive situation exists in the psyche, then reincarnation is no longer necessary. Evolution then proceeds on other levels. Every human being has at least a degree of negativity. This negativity is somehow activated, enforced, and nourished by the life principle. But degrees exist. These degrees are a clear indication of the evolutionary process. At one extreme you have those human beings who cannot even have a direct relationship with another person. These people live merely in their fantasies -- which are totally attached to negative experiences. On the other hand there are those human beings who in the course of their growing up -- in other words, in the process of maturing -- have brought together their fantasy life and their reality life in the best -- the most positive and favorable -- sense of the word. I discussed this in another context. In this connection, this bringing together of fantasy and reality does not mean the repression of fantasy life but a true overcoming of it because reality is then more pleasurable and therefore more desirable -- just as positive circumstances are. Many degrees exist between these two poles. By that you can see the evolutionary progress.
QUESTION: Does mobility and tension, and relaxation and stagnation lessen as you remove the pleasure principle from the negative?
ANSWER: Of course, they interact. You can see how this interaction -- to the extent to which there is a combination or a marriage or a melting between the positive life or pleasure principle and a negative situation -- brings tension and anxiety. To the extent that anxiety and tension exist, to that extent immobility appears a welcome relief from the strain of moving away from the self. When such a short-circuit hinders the real experience of the pleasure principle, then the result is stagnation. In other words, it is non-movement -- whereas the whole cosmos is in perpetual beautiful motion. When man establishes the same cosmic movement within his own psyche, then he is in harmony with the cosmic forces.
QUESTION: This is the clearest understanding I have ever had of what has happened to me in this marriage of negativity and the pleasure principle, of having set up a rejection. Seeing it as clearly as I do now, recognizing exactly how it operates, what do I do about it further?
ANSWER: It is extremely important that you become aware of the specific negative condition to which the pleasure principle in you reacts. But this awareness must not be merely intellectual. You must actually feel and experience this mechanism within yourself. You must allow yourself this awareness. Therefore, reach deep into your innermost self and remove the restriction or the block to allowing this awareness into your consciousness. Realize that allowing it into your consciousness is not a devastating judgment against you. It is not the end of you. It does not stamp you as lost, as you unconsciously believe, but rather as the opposite. This is the beginning of the way out of an erroneous devastating judgment which you thought applied only to you. When you allow the clear-cut, concise formulation of this particular melting point into your emotional experience -- in other words, how the automatic reflexes of your pleasure principle are geared to the negative -- and when you experience this with courage, knowing that this need not be so and that it will not remain so because you quietly and calmly desire to grow, then you cannot help but come forward, but progress.
June 25, 1965
Copyright 1965, by Eva Broch