QUESTION: Would you say that enjoying unhappiness is the same as "weltschmerz"?
ANSWER: This is just one aspect out of many others, as self-pity, for instance. But the crasser form of enjoying unhappiness is enjoying the process of provoking the situation that will bring on unhappiness.
QUESTION: Would you elaborate on the statement that pain and pleasure are the same?
ANSWER: Do you mean in the healthy and developed form? For in the unhealthy deviation they are not the same. (No, I mean in the healthy way.) I will try to find the right words, for it is difficult to convey in the limited human language something that can hardly ever be experienced by a human being, and is therefore outside the realm of his understanding.
QUESTION: Would you say with that statement that the martyrs of the Catholic Church, for instance, have gone into that dangerous state of confusing it?
ANSWER: Very often, indeed.
QUESTION: In other words, what the human being can do, if I understand it right, is to take it as a philosophical concept?
ANSWER: Yes. Beware of trying to strive for it now, for it may be exactly the opposite of what you really want and need for your soul.
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