QUESTION: Did I understand correctly that the exaggerated need is a neurotic streak?
ANSWER: Of course. It is illusion, because you believe and feel that your life depends on this need. You may not think so, but when you examine your feelings with regard to a disappointment, a frustration, then you will find the true intensity of your feelings. Only upon closer examination of their intensity and significance can you discover the illusion. The strength and the intensity of your emotions has no relationship to the issue at stake.
QUESTION: I really meant something else. You said something about two people needing each other in a wrong way. One fulfills the need of the other in order to get his own need fulfilled. Why is this unhealthy or wrong?
ANSWER: Such a relationship can exist for quite a while, and it can even work for a limited time. But it is not a relationship based on true values and on true interdependence, because independence from the individual's own need has not yet been established as the core of right communication. Such an unhealthy relationship is based on bargaining, on the interplay of submissive and domineering attitudes, with either attitude either being dominant in one partner, or alternating in both at various phases of the relationship, rather than on free inner action on the part of both.
QUESTION: It seems a very thin borderline separating healthy and unhealthy dependence and independence. How can we distinguish between the two?
ANSWER: The borderline is always thin. It is always such a subtle and elusive matter that by discussing it you cannot find the truth within. Again, there is no rule and no formula. You may develop the best theories and believe them in your intellect, but your feelings may deviate completely. The only way you can discover it is in the work you do on this Path, in facing and examining your feelings and reactions, and in understanding their significance by tracing them through to their roots. Behind all negative, disturbing, and disharmonious feelings there must be an original wish and its frustration. When you find this, then you can determine how real or how illusory this wish is. Only after being able to fully comprehend the immature and distorted emotions can you come to realize the right ones -- where they may already exist to some extent and where they may be built in, so to speak, as you continue to develop.
COMMENT: May I add something here? I think we can understand it by the degree of frustration and anxiety that a non-fulfillment creates in us.
ANSWER: Yes, that is right. But you should also be careful of the pseudo-calm harmony and lack of need which is superimposed, and which is really nothing else but your withdrawing from life, from love, and from communication out of fear. That, too, is something that has to be carefully examined.
QUESTION: You spoke of the subject of unity. An occurrence in this week's news brings to me a question regarding the possible unity of the Christian churches. There have been soundings made through the Pope and his Ecumenical call, and through various denominational groups getting together in the hope of becoming united. But in spite of these attempts, there still rages a battle between fundamentalism and liberalism. Just this week, Bishop James A. Pike, of the Protestant Episcopal Church, referred to various myths that appear in the Bible, such as the myth of Adam and Eve, of Eden, of Heaven and Hell, and others. He was immediately accused of heresy by many of his own clergy. What do you think is the place of myth in religion?
ANSWER: People do not understand what myth really means. For the majority, myth means invention, fantasy, imagination, fairy tale, lie. That is the usual idea. The real meaning of myth is very different.
QUESTION: Could you give us some idea of the true meaning of myth?
ANSWER: I could discuss this for a long time, which we do not have now. Perhaps at a later period I will go into this subject in detail. For the moment I will only say that myth represents a truth which is conveyed in a form that is acceptable to and understandable by the human being. Similar to a symbol, concisely put together, myth is a vast truth in a picture form, like the picture language in the spirit world, like the picture language you experience in dreams. The difference between a symbol and a myth is that you can have a symbol for anything: either for something important or unimportant. A myth, on the other hand, deals with a general, universal truth. It is presented in a concise pictorial way to make it acceptable and understandable, so that you can perceive it. The principle of myth and symbol is the same.
QUESTION: Is it true that a specific psychic activity that is projected into the outside world is highly individual and relative? In other words, what one sees and perceives as truth is related to what he projects. And what he projects is relative to his specific psychic activity and experience?
ANSWER: Yes, this is true, but it also goes beyond that. A myth, contrary to many symbols, is something that is actually true. But it is presented so that the individuals in question can grasp it. But it is, in itself, a representation of absolute truth.
QUESTION: Could you comment on something I saw recently. I witnessed a demonstration of clairvoyance in which the medium was not in a trance but could see certain spirits. What happens in such a case? Is this a case of mind reading, of the perception of etheric bodies, or is it possible that the spirit in question was actually there so that the medium could see it?
ANSWER: All these alternatives are possible. Humanity always thinks in terms of either/or. I have no way of determining now which of these alternatives apply to this particular case. But it really does not make as much difference as you are inclined to believe. You seem to think that if it a question of mind reading, then this eliminates the spirit being's living and existence. The spirit's aliveness and existence and bond with you may cause your subconscious to be impressed by it, so that a clairvoyant perceives it on the detour of your own subconscious.
QUESTION: But is it possible that the actual spirit was really there?
ANSWER: Of course it is possible. Absolutely.
QUESTION: In the lecture you spoke about the mutual need that may hold a relationship together and that this is unhealthy. But it seems to me that it is only fair and right that if I love a person that this person should also love me. Otherwise it would be much more unhealthy.
ANSWER: My dear friends, you are very much mistaken if you believe that I advocate one-sided love. In a healthy state, then you will never even have to worry about this, because if you free yourself of the need, then your innermost self, your real self, your intuitive self, will make you direct your affection and love towards the person who is capable of responding. Then it will come by itself. There is no such thing as a lack of mutuality. This can exist only in an unhealthy situation, based on immature craving, instead of a free readiness to love and to communicate. Since you are new to this group, then it is understandable that you ask this question, but if you were familiar with these teachings, then you would fully understand that such healthy mutuality is the essence and the natural result that comes automatically when one frees the soul of its fetters. A one-sided love is the very proof of distortion and deviation. In order to avoid it, you do not have to worry, to plan, or to direct your emotions. In other words, you do not have to force your feelings in any direction. If you think you have to do that, then it is a sign that there are many levels of unconscious reaction which should become conscious so as to be handled properly. If you react freely, then the result must be mutuality.
QUESTION: Psychiatry today uses shock treatment. Could that damage the psyche and the subtle bodies?
ANSWER: Yes, it does damage, and it does not affect a real cure, but only the temporary semblance of a cure.
QUESTION: What does it do?
ANSWER: It gives a temporary, superficial, and very unreal pseudo cure.
COMMENT: It takes you by mechnical means out of a psychosis and brings you back to reality. But then you have to start working out what the cause was in order to avoid a reocurrence of the psychosis. But it is purely mechanical.
ANSWER: You said that it brings one back to reality. It does that only in a very limited way. At the same time, these shocks can, and often do, damage parts of the human psyche and of the subtle bodies.
QUESTION: I saw in the last few days how people received such shock treatments and it seemed that they were actually dead for a few minutes or seconds. Is it possible that they actually do die for a few moments?
ANSWER: No. What you call death is when the silver chord is severed. But there are many stages of unconsciousness which may outwardly resemble death, but they are not really dead because the cord is not severed.
QUESTION: Could shock treatment damage the cord?
ANSWER: That could happen, too. But even if not, then it may damage other faculties and parts of the inner being that may be just as harmful.
QUESTION: Is it possible for you to give us some sort of formula we might adapt for interpreting dream symbols?
ANSWER: Yes, my friends, I have done this in many years of training. But I cannot give you any preconceived formulas. This would oversimplify matters. To really understand and interpret dreams is a lengthy and often tedious process. It does not only take the knowledge of doing it, and the experience, but it also demands a great deal of intuition, of understanding, and of talent. A dream is something extremely personal and there is so much over-simplification in your world. As a result, the real benefit, that which the dream really wants to convey, is often lost when people diligently, but automatically analyze dreams.
QUESTION: Why are dreams given if it requires an expert to get to the meaning?
ANSWER: If you really want to know the truth about your dream, and if you take the time and make the effort, then you can find out, sometimes even by yourself. At other times you will need help. But if you really want to know about your innermost self, then you will not shy away from the possibility of receiving such help and therefore you will be guided to it. As I have often said, the real work of self-search cannot be done alone. This applies not only to dream interpretation. But most people do not want to know about themselves. They put everything that may give them a deeper understanding about themselves out of sight, whether this be a dream, or other indications of their unconscious daily reactions.
Copyright Eva Broch 1961