QUESTION: Can you show us how to approach this subject in our everyday life, in this work? How can we learn to eliminate time?
ANSWER: This is a misunderstanding. You cannot eliminate time as long as you live on earth. You can only develop a different understanding, a wider vision. Cause and effect move closer together, and therefore the illusory character of time lessens in your perception of it. You begin to sense something behind your time. The best practical approach, to begin with, is the process you are using in this work. You have all begun working on this Path with the conviction that so many mishaps in your life were caused by other people's faults, or by an unkind fate. As you proceeded, you found, not as a theory but as a fact, how reactions or attitudes of yours were responsible for such occurrences. This has come to you as a wonderful revelation. You may not have such success in every aspect of your life as yet, but you have begun, and you can now connect cause and effect. You were incapable of doing this before since cause and effect were not close together. However, careful investigation has revealed the connection. The more problems you find, and therefore the more problems you resolve, then the closer you come to sensing the illusory character of time. So, in this respect, you have a new assignment of work to enter into, and the more you do so, the closer you will automatically come to sensing the dimension behind time. I do not want to use the word eternity. This other dimension behind time is still not the ultimate, for behind this is still something else, and then still something else for which I have no words at my disposal.
QUESTION: I do not understand what you mean by saying that our reality is negative for us so that we cringe away from it. This is what I understood you to say.
ANSWER: There is sickness and physical death. There is the world of matter bound to decay. There is struggle and work for daily subsistence. There are obligations imposed upon you that you may not like. Life is constant change that brings losses and unknown factors which create anxiety in you. All these factors seem to block the way towards what you wish: the gratification of your wish for pleasure supreme. You do not like it, but it is your reality at this stage of your evolution.
QUESTION: Can you explain a little more clearly how healthy acceptance opposes unhealthy acceptance, as for instance in a martyr?
ANSWER: The unhealthy attitude contains, above all, a spirit of defeatism. As I indicated before, the very fear of an occurrence makes you rush into it. Your repressed desire for the exact opposite of what you fear, whether or not it is desirable, makes you abandon your desire. This healthy attitude says: "Yes, death is unwelcome. I really do not know what will happen and therefore I do not like it. But it is part of life and when it comes my way, then I will be strong enough to accept it. Others have gone through it and so will I. I will meet it in full awareness of my uncertainty. I am now aware that I still fear it, but what I will learn to accept cannot be avoided, and thus I will eventually lose my fear of it." This applies to every other negative facet of life and it can be practiced every day. It is very difficult to put into words. Perhaps visualizing a soul movement of tensing and letting go will help you to understand. When you struggle away from something frightening, then you tense up and pull away. This pulling away in tension pushes you into it. The courage of facing the self with honesty and a relaxed attitude will produce the necessary strength. The lack of these attributes will either push you into what you are trying to avoid or make you run from it. Both have the same end result, namely negation.
QUESTION: What is your attitude towards the ascetic? Is he running away from it all? Does he face up to reality, or is he avoiding it?
ANSWER: In general, an ascetic tries to buy himself out of what he fears. He forfeits all pleasure and all happiness by self-imposed hardships. In other words, he chooses unnecessary hardship because he so greatly fears another hardship.
QUESTION: How about the spiritual ascetic?
ANSWER: It is exactly the same. It is often a great self-deception and a complete denial of the life force. The principle of death is feared so much that the life force is completely negated, It is a very self-destructive and damaging form of coping with death.
QUESTION: How do you account for the supreme pleasure that comes from mastery in achievement and accomplishment of the so-called unpleasant problems?
ANSWER: Here, again, it depends on the motive and on the way it is done. If it is genuine and healthy, then the process here described has been lived. Since the duality is a result of negation, then one can only find the way out of duality by no longer negating it, but facing up to it. Then this will show the unity behind the duality, so that pleasure and pain become one.
QUESTION: Doesn't the healthy state deny the unpleasant emphasis?
ANSWER: No. I would say it is just the opposite. Death ceases to be, but this happens in a genuine way only after it has been fought through by facing the fact that it still exists, at least for you. By denying it, you may run into the danger of negation and evasion. If the end result is artificially clung to, then it has the opposite effect. You cannot deny that which still exists in you.
QUESTION: Is it life and death, or life or death?
ANSWER: It is life AND death.
QUESTION: Therefore it could not be unpleasant. Otherwise it would be life "or" death. So death must be a pleasure. Doesn't the healthy attitude therefore deny the unpleasant emphasis?
ANSWER: Let us not confuse the end result with the pathway that leads to this end result. Many religious philosophies have taught this truth. The end result has been used in order to shy away from facing that which still seems unpleasant, if for no other reason than it is unknown. Before you can truly experience the fact that death is pleasure -- in a healthy way -- you first have to go through your own distortion, in which it does seem bleak and frightening. Only after going through it will you come to the realization that life and death are one, that pleasure and pain are one.
QUESTION: Is it not equally an illusion to think that the problems of everyday living and the crass things that you come across are unpleasant? Aren't they pleasant for him who has mastered them? Therefore, this does deny the unpleasant principle, except in terms of an unhealthy state or attitude.
ANSWER: Once you have arrived at that state, then you will find it so. But until a person can arrive at that state, then it would be dangerous for him to try to talk himself into it. Too much of this has been done already. One has to be very careful, since evasion and self-deception are always close at hand. The temptation is so great for man that he fears to face the truth. The truth is never unpleasant, but it may often appear so in your state of temporary and distorted vision. Man has to strip himself of a truth that he himself has not yet arrived at and meanwhile face the untruth that still lives in him. He has to come to the very difficult abyss of illusion that for him is still an abyss.
QUESTION: I think this has to do with an interpretation of the word "deny." If you interpret deny as meaning that it does not exist, then it is false. But if denial is intepreted to mean that it is not a real factor, then it has another meaning.
ANSWER: Yes, that is true. But, you see, there are so many human religious denominations that originally had this truth when they taught denial of death. But man -- due to his inclination to arrive at the end result through shortcuts in order to avoid the unpleasantness of facing the illusory abyss -- clings to such words and then misuses them. The result is a superimposed faith, clung to out of fear and weakness. So let us be careful and always keep in mind that what seems most frightening -- death in all its aspects -- must be faced before it denies itself.
March 3, 1961
Copyright 1961, 1979 by Center for the Living Force, Inc.