Now, are there any questions?
QUESTION: How can a hardship not be a hardship? For instance, torture. I am not afraid of death, but of dying, of the agony. Or if one sees a helpless creature being tortured and dying in that way.
ANSWER: As I said, as long as one has not gone through it, it is a hardship. You are not expected to tell yourself the opposite. Quite the contrary. To deny your fear of it would be one form of running away from it, one form of negating death -- and therefore life. Only for him who has gone through death has it become a certainty that there is no death. To find this out, he has to go through it. The lesser degrees of death, such as all forms of suffering, must be gone through in order to discover that they were not "death" or suffering to the degree that was feared -- and often not at all. You may find many instances of this validated when you look back on your life, at your past. If you review and consider certain experiences of your life, you will often see that what you feared and were apprehensive about, and what seemed disproportionately horrible while you stood before it, ceased to be dreadful once you went through it. Ultimately, you were untouched by it. In fact, you were only touched by it in the positive sense that it made you grow: it gave an additional life experience to your whole personality (not only to your thinking process, but to your whole nature and your emotional life). If you question yourself very truthfully in looking back at a painful experience, you will have to admit that now that it is gone, it is no longer a horror. Therefore it must have been an unreality, for a reality is permanent and unchangeable. Only an unreality loses in intensity as time goes by.
But as long as you experience this unreality as "reality," the remedy is not
in talking yourself out of it, nor in trying to avoid the inevitable, but in acknowledging your fear and suffering, and relaxing into it, if I may put it this way. You cannot avoid the illusion of your suffering by telling yourself that it is an illusion. For you it really is. Therefore you have to go through it. But all the while you may keep your intellectual knowledge in mind, but without forcing it on your emotions. Allow both to exist freely side by side
in your observation of your thoughts and your feelings. This may make it easier for you to go through it and experience it. For, only this experience will show you the illusion. Only going wholeheartedly into life, and all its facets, will help you to rise above the dualities.
QUESTION: You said that one could only let people down by untruthfulness and not by any other way. Could you explain that a little more, please?
ANSWER: When I say "truth," I do not mean the little truths that people often express in an unthinking and cruel way. This has nothing to do with truth. The great truth may at times be contradictory to a little untruth. And a little truth may be contradictory to the great truth. Here, again, there is no rule or regulation that you can lean on. As with all truth, each case stands for itself and needs evaluation, discrimination, and an active thought process all the way through. Only then can you realize when at times a little truth corresponds with truth, or where it may not. One's own motivations always furnish the real answer to this question. If one is as honest with oneself as one knows how, one can often detect that a little hurtful truth
may come out of a personal fault or weakness: be it pride, vanity, selfwill, rebellion, insecurity, frustration, or whatever. If these inner motivations
are covered up by more valid reasons, this does not eliminate the existence
of these underlying currents which determine the effect. But he who is truthful to himself in the ultimate sense cannot let another down. To gain this truthfulness with the self is, after all, the goal of your self-search on this path.
QUESTION: I would like to ask you about the emphasis the Church places on the bodily resurrection of jesus Christ. What is your comment on that?
ANSWER: There are two aspects involved, one of which I have commented
on in the past. The other one I could not comment upon because it touches the subject of these last two lectures for which my friends were not ready then.
The first aspect I repeat briefly. It is an absolute error and a gross misconception. It comes from man's inherent fear of physical death, due to which he wants to believe in a physical continuation of life. Therefore Jesus Christ's reappearance had to be interpreted as such.
The other aspect has a much deeper and wider significance. It contains
the deepest wisdom and truth, but in symbolic form. This symbolism I explained amply in the foregoing lecture. It means: "If you do not flee from your fear of death, from your fear of suffering, and from your fear of the unknown but go through it, then you could truly have life in its deepest sense, even while still in the body. Pure life can be had only if death is met squarely." By pure I do not mean what is generally understood by this word: in an insipid and bodily-rejecting way. For the body is part of the spirit and the spirit is part of the body. All are one whole. That is why Jesus Christ appeared as a human body: to show that the body is not to be rejected or denied. If you accept death, you will be resurrected in life, in the body, by the flowing life force, which will make you experience pleasure and joy on all levels of your being -- also on the physical level. Is that clear?
QUESTION: Yes, but your statement of the error of it would then lead us to conclude that some parts of the Gospel which describe the arrival at the tomb as a story of promise, insofar as factual account is concerned, are entirely false.
ANSWER: No, not at all. When Jesus appeared to His disciples, to His dear ones, a phenomenon took place that is well known, has always been known, and will continue to be known if certain circumstances prevail. I believe you call it, in your time and age, a materialization of spirit matter. It is a condensation of spirit, as all physical life is. But the fact that this happened has a deep philosophical and psychological meaning, which is generally ignored. This meaning, as I explained, is: "Meet life and death, and you cannot die. You will "live" in the true sense of the word." So what the disciples saw was true, only the majority of them did not understand the meaning and the purpose of it, although Jesus Christ tried to convey it to them. There were a few who did understand, but not all of them. They just took it as a phenomenon, which it was, and in itself it was not unique. Does that make it clearer? (Yes, thank you.)
QUESTION: I had a question prepared and it fits in exactly with this topic. It has to do with art, with the product of the artist. Given a personality, assuming what you say, the pleasure principle versus the reality principle, Freud and some other psychologists assume that art arrives in human experience as an outcome of the personality, a creation of the personality striving back towards reality. For when he finds out that the pleasure principle cannot reign supreme, he is disappointed, he often goes into a world of his own making and from that, given sufficient talent, he is able to produce art, eventually reuniting himself with reality. Is that correct?
ANSWER: You mean sublimation?
QUESTION Yes. Now, for those of us who consciously do not believe in existence after death and consciously do not desire existence past death, who very much like to enjoy and take pleasure in this present life, the physical, the body, the pleasures of the body, the sensations of the body, I would like to ask: given a talent, a certain personality complex in this department, the need to sublimate something is that desire to produce art and by art to become immortal, the same thing that you people who believe in life after death have? I am not asking about whether there is life after death.
ANSWER: I know you are not and I am not going to attempt to answer that, for whatever I say, or anyone else would say, would not make any difference. You can only arrive at it through your own experience. If you superimpose a belief that is not genuinely yours, it is much more unhealthy than admitting an unbelief. That is one of the points I stressed in the last lecture. But I will answer the other aspects of your question.
In the first place, let me make it quite clear that the real knowledge and experience of the continuation of life after physical death, if it is genuinely arrived at through development and the right and healthy attitude as described in this lecture, does not and cannot and will not "sacrifice" the bodily pleasures for the sake of a spiritual life to come after the physical one. It is quite the contrary. Only those who cling to religious faith out of fear and weakness will come to the conclusion that one opposes the other. In fact, if these two lectures are really understood, this will become quite apparent. The freed life force cannot bypass the body. Hence, it will make the whole personality more receptive and more capable capable of pleasure on all levels, also the physical one.
But this complete pleasure -- on all the levels of a being -- can be experienced only if the soul is healthy. An unhealthy soul is incapable of experiencing pleasure to the extent that health is lacking.
At the same time, if a person heals the unhealthy aspects and attitudes of his personality, he not only becomes capable of experiencing greater pleasure, he leads a fuller life, but, I might say almost as a byproduct, he also becomes more creative. And he also begins to experience the reality of the spiritual laws and truth. It is no coincidence that people who go through a successful analysis, although this may not be as frequent or as desirable at the present time, come to believe in the reality of the spiritual laws and truth. This rarely means denominational religion, but more their own private realization, experience, inner proof, and knowledge. These factors are all byproducts of healing the soul of its misconceptions, of its distortions, and of its deviations. The true experience of pleasure on all levels, the unfoldment of creative abilities, and the inner knowledge of spiritual truth are all the outcome of inner health.
At the same time, the sicker or the more distorted a soul, the less is it capable of real pleasure, and the more the inherent creative abilities will be paralyzed. The fact that some people are very creative in spite of tremendous inner conflicts does not contradict this statement. It only means that the creative talent is so great that it comes out "in spite" of the soul problems, and the more such people are cut off from reality on all levels. This does not only mean the reality of the cosmic laws and spiritual truth, but also from
reality as it manifests on this earth plane.
The desire for immortality through art is just another variation of man's longing for eternal life and his struggle against death. One person will be a religious fanatic who has accepted his belief out of fear and weakness, but
who has not arrived at it through inner knowledge. The other person believes himself stronger than the former by not "needing" such faith. But his form of expression, emerging out of the same root, is the desire for immortality through the work he has produced. Both do not want to let go. Both types want to hold on to life. Both cannot give up. This holding on, this inability to give up, whether manifest in this big question or in little everyday issues, holds the soul imprisoned; it prevents it from growth; it produces some form
of stagnation, manifesting on all levels of the personality. Only the generous freedom of giving oneself up, of going into the unknown, perhaps without any insurance of retaining what one cherishes, can produce true growth. So this wish for immortality through art -- or science or any other expression -- is, in essence, not something that differs from the way
of the religionist who clings to faith out of fear. As I explained in the last lecture, the atheist too goes off the path and meets death in the wrong way, just as the ungenuine religious person does. The latter says: "I want to believe because I am afraid of death. I do not want to let go, to give up." And the atheist says: "The person who believes is just weak. I am much stronger, I do not need all that." But he, too, wants immortality and he thinks it is a show of strength if he seeks immortality through his creations. It is his way of clinging to life and fighting against death. He fears so much that he may cease to exist that he does not chance the disappointment that the religionist may be wrong. Both types are incapable of saying, and meaning, be it only in isolated moments: "I do not know. I have to accept the unknown." Now, my friends, the many people who outwardly say so do not necessarily mean it, feel it, and live it. They, too, may manifest their flight from death in ther innermost attitude. It is not what one professes and thinks and believes that determines the healthy attitude in this respect. This can be merely a symptom and an indication, no more. So you must beware of evaluation based only on a person's professed belief and attitude. The desire to die, for instance, does not necessarily, and only in the rarest cases, indicate a true belief in the life after death, or in one's reconciliation with a non-existence. It may merely be an expression of being tired of coping with life. And that is the result of not knowing how to cope with death.
Now we come to the question of sublimation. Sublimation can be, and very often is, entirely misunderstood and is a very unhealthy phenomenon. It can be a distorted and harmful process in the religionist, as well as in the psychoanalytical concept. The religionist sublimates when he says: "Life of the flesh is sinful. It opposes the spirit. It represents the devil and therefore I must sublimate my fleshly impulses and spiritualize them." This leads to repression. If you view repression with a fresh outlook, then you will have to conclude that it is nothing but dishonesty,
self-deception, and the lack of awareness. In other words, an ostrich policy. On the other hand, the psychological concept of it says: "Reality is so dismal, is so hopeless, is so despairing, it stands in such contradiction to
my pleasure drives, that I have no choice other than to sublimate. I choose it out of compromise and as a lesser evil. On the one hand, I would have to live according to the most unchanneled and primitive instincts if I want to realize my pleasure drive. But on the other hand, this would bring me into conflict with my environment and therefore I would be stopped from pleasure a priori. So the situation is hopeless." These unchanneled primitive instincts are no more conducive to the pleasure principle that the spiritualized rejection of bodily pleasure is. In a mature and healthy soul the pleasure drive can never interfere with one's environment. And this is not due to sublimation, to resignation, or to repression. It happens because the instincts grow with the rest of the personality and therefore become all the more receptive to pleasure in a much higher form than the primitive, unchanneled instincts. The heightened pleasure also includes the body. And this, in turn, is in consequence of one's facing death and suffering. It happens through "non-negation" and, therefore, by gradually eliminating the duality. By doing so, reality as you know it on earth begins to change. First subtly, in your own inner world, then spreading slowly around you.
It is entirely wrong to say that creative ability is the product of sublimation or, to put it in a different way, by shifting the pleasure drive to another area of the personality. The original healthy personality, as it is meant to be, is rich enough to contain both, as well as many other areas of expression in life. Only the limited and distorted soul has to make such choices. It is quite true that if you repress your pleasure drive, it must come out somehwre, and it often does in the area of your creativity. But that does not mean it would not come out clearer, better, and stronger if your personality would be whole and integrated, functioning healthily on all levels. It would even manifest in a more constructive and fuller way, not as a substitute but as a completion of life.
My dearest friends, on this very special day I tried to show you how the present phase of our work, of your inner development, fits in with the great events of the history of evolution, cosmic and human. Be blessed, all of you. Receive our strength. Receive our love and our blessings. May you take this strength and utilize it, each as is best for you. Be in peace. Be in God.
March 31, 1961 (Good Friday)
Copyright 1961, 1978 by Eva Pierrakos