QUESTION: So the real self does not have two souls, no duality?
ANSWER: Of course not. The duality ceases to exist once you accept yourself as part good and as part bad. In other words, as consisting partly of your higher self and partly of your lower self. These two sides will be integrated and live in peace with one another once you accept yourself with both. And only then can the lower side gradually develop and grow out of its blindness. But as long as you do not reconcile yourself to the fact that you are both good and bad -- in other words, as long as you battle against this badness and you believe that you should not have it -- then the duality will exist. By accepting your lower self you can gradually overcome it, as you will also overcome the duality between the higher self and the lower self. By non-acceptance you increase the duality. It is the same question I discussed regarding life and death. By accepting death, the duality between life and death is gradually decreased, until it disappears altogether. By struggling against death, just as you struggle against your lower self, the duality increases.
QUESTION: Could you tell us what Goethe meant by saying "Two souls dwells in my breast?"
ANSWER: It can be interpreted to mean the higher self and the lower self. And it can also be interpreted to mean the duality between the idealized self and the real self. The lack of peace between the higher self and the lower self brings the idealized self into existence. These two dualities are interdependent.
QUESTION: In modern psychology we frequently hear the word schizophrenia, and it is applied to those who are psychotic. According to your talk, this evening and previously, we are all disentegrated and split. Is this duality only a matter of degree?
ANSWER: Yes, it is a matter of degree, of intensity, and of how many areas of the personality this includes. With the clinical psychotic the areas of non-acceptance of self are overwhelming. With more normal person functioning in life, the idealized self may pervade the whole personality, but there may still be a certain sense of reality.
ANSWER: In the last lecture we learned that it is important for us to face death in order to live fully. There is at present great publicity given to the trial of Adolf Eichmann. My questions are (1) Can we, and should we, try to face the death of these millions of unfortunates in order to learn something for ourselves individually? (2) Is it healthy to revive an era of death and destruction? (3) Can any positive lesson be learned by mankind through reviving this?
ANSWER: Answering the first question: Can any lesson be learned as to the subject of life and death, or any other topic for that matter? That depends entirely on the individual and whether or not he either can or wants to learn a lesson. But as to the lesson of death: I venture to say that every individual has to go through that himself, whether it be actual physical death, or the many little everyday "dyings" I discussed recently. It would be dangerous to assume that one person can learn through the tragedy of another in this particular sense. It would be dangerous because it would make for a smugness, possibly even winding up in passive cruelty -- or eventually even in active cruelty. It might condone cruelty in an insidious and subtle way. Certain things one can learn only by going through them oneself. There are other ways by which one could, at least theoretically, learn through other people's experiences, if one is open to it. However, experience shows that most individuals have to learn their own lessons through their own mistakes, not by the mistakes that others make, and not by the experiences that others have. If in isolated cases this does occur, then all the better. But there is no general law that can proclaim one particular happening more conducive to serve as a lesson than others. Theoretically one could learn from any occurrence in life. Mostly, it is easier to learn a lesson from one's own insignificant disappointment than by another person's tragedy.
QUESTION: To what extent should men take it upon themselves to punish a criminal?
ANSWER: It is not up to man to punish. His course of action should be, and one day will be, to take upon himself the responsibility that any crime can happen through wrong values, wrong systems, wrong education, and wrong attitudes. In that recognition, the weight will be shifted from punishment to healing. But the possibility of perpetrating further crimes by such a person should be strictly avoided by curtailing his outer freedom. This would feel like punishment anyway for the criminal, for the infringement of his personal freedom, as well as the painful process of healing his soul, may be every bit as difficult as death or life in prison, only it would be much more constructive. All this will come about one day.
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