Til
Def do us part
Going Def ... We talk to Def Leppard singer Joe Elliott and guitarist Phil
Collen
By SIMON ROTHSTEIN
Formed
in Sheffield back in 1977, Def Leppard have proved to be one of the world's most
successful and consistent rock bands.
And we caught up with them as they
celebrate the release of their tenth album, X.
We put YOUR
questions to singer Joe Elliott and guitarist Phil Collen.
Def Leppards' 1987 album Hysteria
sold 15 million copies worldwide, topping both the British and American charts
and making it one of the biggest selling heavy rock albums of all time.
And now the boys have rolled back into
town with their first single since 1999, Now.
The song is a mix of the classic Def
Leppard sound with a more ambient electronic style of music.
The band have been writing and
recording the new album, X, for the past nine months.
In that time they played just one live
show - a sold out concert in Houston, Texas in front of 60,000 people.
Read on as Joe and Phil tell us all
about the new record, upcoming tour dates, what they really think of
manufactured pop groups and the secrets of staying together for 25 years.
What has been the
high point of the last 25 years for Def Leppard?
Elaine, Grantham
Phil We got a diamond album for
Hysteria, which means that you go ten times platinum. You're up there with Paul
McCartney, Elton John, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. That was kind of neat and a
nice pat on the back.
Emotionally one of the high points was
after Rick Allen's accident - when our drummer lost his left arm in a car
accident in 1984. We came back and played the Monsters of Rock festival. It was
really emotional and a definite high point seeing everyone out there. And it was
a big achievement for Rick.
There have been loads of great things
but those are the two that really stand out for me.
Joe Gig wise, it would be San
Diego in 1983 as that was the first time we ever played in front of a massive
crowd, it was about 55,000. That was a nice little moment.
The diamond award was a lot of fun, we
got presented with that in New York. Usually you just get these things given to
you backstage, have a quick photo and then carry them around hoping the glass
isn't going to break for the next nine months
But this was more like the Oscars. You
see all these posters with the album sleeves on, and there you are alongside
Thriller, Rumours, Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt Peppers and stuff like that. And
you think to yourself that it is amazing. It was the first year that they ever
gave them out so that made it even more special.
Generally the fact that we are still
doing it is a highlight. When you've been wanting to do this since you were
12-years-old, it is just amazing to keep doing it. That's a highlight in itself.
How have you managed to stay together
for so long?
Mike, Southampton
Joe We have a common goal. We are
pretty much on the same page with what we want and the kind of music that we
make.
There is a strong friendship and great
sense of humour inside the band. In a band you are onstage for two hours and for
22 hours you are not so you've got to have something in common.
We may be sitting around the table
travelling together and somebody says: "Do you remember that advert for
Lego in 1968?" And we can all say yes and laugh about it. We may be talking
about Match Of The Day from 1982 or Tales From The Riverbank. It's something
we've got in common, it is not like we are from different countries or
generations. There is no culture divide at all.
Phil We like each other. We throw
the ego thing out of the way and all have the same work ethic. That really
helps. We experience the same stuff we've all had marriages, divorces,
births and deaths. Two of us had our parents dying, and we've all been together
and experienced it together.
When you've been together this long it
becomes a friendship and, without sounding like a clichι, a family. We spend
more time together than most families. Most people get divorced and the kids
leave home over a 25-year period. We are still together and it's pretty amazing
really.
Does it feel sometime while writing a
song that you can predict each other's ideas?
Suff
Phil You not only know what the
other person is thinking but actually what they are going to say as well! That
is the scary bit, we can actually finish each others sentences which is a bit
spooky.
The great thing is that all five
people in the band write. You can sometimes have a bit of a dry patch and
hopefully someone else will have good ideas.
We have such different influences, likes and dislikes. We are actually so different it is unbelievable. Vivian likes Crowded House, I like Erykah Badu, Joe likes 70s bands like Mott the Hoople still. It's weird how diverse our influences are.
Are you going to release a Def Leppard
boxed set at any point with rarities, live tracks and other interesting stuff?
Keikka, Finland
Phil We've actually recorded every
tour we have ever done. We have a great selection of stuff including stuff
with Steve Clark and tracks from before I joined the band 20 years ago.
We have live songs from all over the
States, England, Europe and Japan. It would be nice one day to sift through the
whole lot and say, "this is the best song from this year and that
tour" and release it. We have spoken about this often and it is just a
matter of getting the time to do it.
The new album
X is breathtaking. What
are your favourite songs on the new album?
C Duddy
Joe It changes every day. I
haven't actually played the album in eight weeks. I keep playing it around in my
head and right now I think my favourite tracks are still Everyday and Cry.
We've been doing the new single, Now,
acoustically for five weeks and I'm not sick of it yet. It still sounds great.
There is not really a lot on
X that I
don't like. It is too new for me to have got sick of anything. I feel the same
about it now as I did three months ago. And three months ago would have been the
time for me to say "this shouldn't be on the record" and I didn't say
it because I don't believe there is anything on the record that shouldn't be
there.
Phil It varies. I really like
Gravity because it is a bit different. I think Long Long Way To Go is really
cool. We didn't actually write that but the first time I heard it I thought,
"wow, I wish I'd written this". That is why we did that song, we've
never really taken anyone else's song before because we've not heard anything
that floated our boat. And I think we really nailed it, it is very heartfelt
with flamenco guitars and it reflects the lyrics. That is my favourite at the
moment.
Joe Elliott's voice seems better than
ever on what I've heard of X and on live promotional performances for the album.
Has he done anything in particular to improve it?
Caz
Joe Not particularly. The way
these songs have been structured, is that a lot of them have been written around
the vocal line and that is the way it should be. We've done that in the past but
not really gone to town. Before it has been a wall of sound with us, I have been
one of the armoury of five of us all in an equal line going into battle. On this
record, because it is a pop record, the voice is the most important thing.
It has become very unfashionable to
scream in a high register and that is something that suits me fine because it is
not particularly the most pleasant thing to do, it is like ski-ing uphill all
your life. You are not just emotive, you are actually physically hurting
yourself doing it. On this record we have done that where it feels comfortable
but on a lot of the stuff we are selling the lyric in a way that is pleasant for
people's ears. We are trying to make a record that leans more towards the
Hysteria kind of pop than the rock of Slang or even Europhia.
Is X aimed more at pop fans or rock
fans?
Jonnie, Bath
Phil It is aimed at both. When we
recorded Hysteria the plan was to do a rock version of Thriller and have hit
singles which crossed over. It made rock music palatable to a lot of people who
wouldn't necessarily have been listening to rock music.
I think that our new album is carrying
on in that tradition. I think we didn't do that in 1990s, we had a few albums
out but I don't think we succeeded. But on X I think we really do I think it
has enough diversity so it's rock when it wants to be and pop when it wants to
be.
Joe We aimed the record at what
the five of us wanted to put out. We've always said that we made records for
ourselves but we've actually lied in the past when we've said that. On two
occasions we've also made albums because we think it is what people want to hear
or what the media thought we should be doing. You take notice of these people,
and you shouldn't necessarily take any notice.
We made the record in the way that we
felt like making it. It was like pushing a snowball off the top of a hill, it
just got its own momentum. Once we got the first three or four songs going
everything just made sense.
After all this time in the business,
are you guys still blown away by the fact that you have actually managed to
achieve your dream of becoming such a hugely successful band? Do you still say
to yourselves "I can't believe we've achieved all of this"?
A Miller, Arkansas
Phil Oh yes. Even little things
like when we were in Munich yesterday and someone had driven all the way from
Italy who we hadn't seen for six years, that is a big deal. People in America
drive from Seattle to Florida, that means a lot.
When you first start a band it is a
really big deal to play the local cinema and you dream about maybe getting on
Top of the Pops one day. I just remember looking out at some of the audiences
we've played to and thinking Jesus Christ. It is way above and beyond what we
ever expected. We never take that for granted, it is always special.
What are the smallest and largest gigs
you have ever played?
Aaron, Cornwall
Phil - We played a cave in Morocco
when we did three continents in one day. That was unique, there were steps down
to the sea and we played when the tide was out.
We've done a few 55,000 seater gigs
including Wembley. So those are the two extremes a stadium and a cave.
Hi guys I saw you in Sheffield on July
13. It was a great show. How was it for you performing after a lot of young pop
acts?
Darren Gibson
Phil It is something we have done
our whole career. Just a few weeks ago we did a real live gig everyone was
singing and playing live in Kansas. And again it was a very big cross
section, you had Michelle Branch, India Arie, Train, O-Town and we finished the
show.
I like those sort of gigs when it goes
really smoothly. I think people who go to one of those events go to enjoy it.
And we are fine, you could stick us on with anyone.
Joe We've only done one show like
that in England. We've done a few in the States but it comes across differently
in America.
I would equate it with Top of the Pops
except it is on a stage rather than on the television. Whether it be us or Iron
Maiden or Linkin Park, if somebody says we've got you a spot on Top of the Pops
then you are going to take it.
The Sheffield gig was in our hometown
and we were asked to play four songs. And we played live and everybody else
lip-synced. To us that is making a point, a rock band could and should do this
and do it on their own terms. We just went out and did our thing we don't
dance and we don't mime.
We've done some similar gigs in
America Top 40 radio stuff. But over there, the Top 40 has a lot more
credibility than it does over here. The ones that we did were with real artists
like Shaggy, Jewell and Train. There is a big difference between that and fat
Rick.
The singles charts are dominated more
than ever by manufactured bands. How does this make you feel?
David, Southampton
Phil I think it is pretty tragic
actually. What I find so tragic is that there is nothing new. No new artists
there is no Kurt Cobain or Sting/Police coming out with something new. There is
no punk ethic or really cool stuff coming out. It is not very encouraging. It is
just karaoke now.
There are some cool bands at the
moment, like the Strokes, but nothing that is really blowing the world apart. It
would be nice if someone came along and stirred things up.
Joe I wear two hats on this. On
paper it is no different from Motown you had these artists that danced and
sang Holland Dozier Holland songs. But in reality there is a huge difference
they were good.
People like The Temptations, Diana
Ross and The Supremes, Four Tops, Smokey Robinson and Stevie Wonder - these guys
were absolutely brilliant and they could actually sing live.
So on paper it is a similar thing but
with Motown it was more real somehow. It's not an age thing, I know people
always say the old stuff is the best, it is just that you can't compare Hear'Say
with the Four Tops. You just can't. I was just watching Hear'Say on BBC2 and
Mylenne had a head-mic on and the thing fell down and she was still singing. Am
I the only person who spots the fact that they are lip-syncing?
I think I speak for most fans when I
say that we want to see more new material in your live sets. Will you be playing
a lot of new songs this time around or sticking to a greatest hits set?
Amy, Nottingham
Phil We usually try and vary it.
We've done this before though. We've gone out there and gone "this is a new
song off the new album" and we've played it really enthused but you can
hear a pin drop. That is the same with any band you like and have a history
with, you want to hear the music you are familiar with. Whenever you do that you
have to be very careful.
Having said that we are getting a
little bit tired of this greatest hits thing so perhaps we will introduce more
new material than we usually do.
Do you have any reservations about
doing Top of the Pops?
Craig Rush
Joe Top of the Pops is just a
shop. You can go to Harrods and buy the cheesiest thing on the planet or the
most amazing thing on the planet it is all in the same building. Top of the
Pops is the same thing.
Take the Logical song, you might not
remember the original but trust me it is much better than this cr*p version that
is in the charts now. You can have something like that or something good like
the new Linkin Park single or The Rising by Bruce Springsteen. They can all be
on the same 30-minute TV show.
Is there one album, in particular,
that you feel defines the band more so than any of your other albums? If so,
which one and why? Thank you and best wishes to all of you always.
Nicole Nykamp
Phil
Hysteria. It was like the
apex for us. It was the first time we got everything right. Our career was
leading up to that point. It was the perfect hybrid record. It wasn't blinkered
narrow-minded rock like a lot of stuff at that time was. We had clean guitars
and influences from new wave bands like the Police. Really it was the
culmination of everything we wanted since we were kids. We had seven hit singles
off it as well.
Joe I would cheat and pick
Vault,
our greatest hits album, because it defines 15 years. It's got the bits off the
other records which I think are good. If there was no greatest hits then I would
pick Hysteria.
Hi guys, love the new single. If you
could pick one person or group to write and perform a song with, who would it
be?
Robin, Manchester
Phil I actually think that would
be really naff and we would never do that. It makes me sick when you see
celebrity love-ins, it just makes me want to puke. Writing a song for somebody
else is a different thing and us individually doing stuff on someone else's
record would be fine.
Joe Imagine Def Leppard and
Christine Aguilera doing We Are The World. They can be forgivable sometimes when
they are for charity. But then you hear the Elton John one with the opera singer
and you just think "oh, please".
If I could write with and perform with
anyone, it would have to be the Rolling Stones or something shocking like the
Backstreet Boys.
What is your favourite biscuit?
Kitty, Wigan
Joe Hob nobs for me. You can't eat
just one, it's the same as Pringles, once you've had one you just want another.
Phil Chocolate digestives.
How do you personally handle less
favourable reviews? So much goes into making an album and having a critic or fan
say unfavourable things must be hard to listen to. Take care & keep rockin'
Ann, Wisconsin
Phil We are so bullet-proof. We
couldn't give a s**t. The reason why we don't get annoyed is that we feel sorry
for some of these people, they are 35-years-old and living with their mum and
have never had a girlfriend.
Joe Or they are 18 and living with
their mum and the only romance they have ever known is jerking off in front of
the mirror. They don't really qualify to comment. To be honest if you get 20
reviews and 19 of them are good the only one you remember is the bad one.
I know what it is like to be a
reviewer because I know people who do it and they have been honest me and said
they get 20 albums to review in six days. So they are listening to them while
they are vacuuming, so you might catch three of the songs. They don't give it a
chance, you can't review everything on one listen.
And if it is not a like-minded person
reviewing it, they have to at least be sympathetic towards that kind of music,
then you are just like lambs to the slaughter.
There is this great scene in Spinal
Tap where the director guy, Rob Reiner, is going: "We had an album called
shark sandwich and the review just said s**t sandwich." And the band just
sat there saying: "that's quite good isn't it."
I heard the other day that we got
single of the week in Kerrang but when they reviewed the album they said about
Long Long Way To Go that it was as romantic as dipping your d**k in a bucket of
s**t.
They have an agenda, they all want to
be Lester Bangs, the legendary American writer. His writing was funny but he
wanted to get his personality across in the review more than he wanted to get
the review across.
But we don't harp on about it!
What is the most extravagant thing you
have ever bought?
Becky Lewis, Bristol
Joe My house, that is about as
boring as it gets.
Phil There is the stupid Rolex
incident. I used to drink and me and Steve Clark were in Dublin. We borrowed
Joe's car which was like the band car but it belonged to Joe and were
driving around absolutely shattered and drunk. I got my ear pierced again, which
I didn't even remember.
I bought a gold Rolex watch and Steve
bought a Cartier and we woke up in the middle of the afternoon and we were like
"arrrgghhh" and had no memory of any of it. It was pretty bizarre.
I am getting married next year and as
a fan for 18 years I just wanted to ask
.Do you play weddings?
Steve Claringbold
Joe You've not put down where you
are from, if you snooze then you lose. The answer is yes we would have done but
we don't know where it is.
We've had questions from all around
the world asking which countries you will be touring in the near future, can you
let us know?
Joe That is difficult to do as
nothing is booked yet but on paper we've got Britain in November followed by
Japan going into December and the States taking us up until spring. Then after
that it all depends on how the record does.
We've just gone through Germany and we
kind of feel a bit bad for not playing there so we'll play there as well. If we
do Europe then we'll probably do the festival run and just break the American
thing up. So we may do a winter indoor tour in the States, come back and do some
festivals in Europe, and then go outdoors in the US afterwards. That is just
hearsay at the moment though.
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