Picking a home base (in Florida) for my sailboat. |
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I'm planning to move to Florida, buy a sailboat and live on the boat
anchored out in the Keys area. What area should I pick as my home base ?
I need to be reasonably close to: - sheltered anchorages - post office or mail-handling service - boatyards and marine stores - somewhere to park or store a car - maybe a self-storage facility - reasonably interesting sailing/snorkeling territory - library - web connection (library or cyber-cafe) and there should be places to land a dinghy to get to these facilities. Am I missing any factors ? The areas that spring to mind are: - Biscayne Bay (don't know much about this area) - Key Largo - Islamorada (facilities seem a little limited) - Marathon Farther north seems more congested and live-aboard-unfriendly, and farther south seems a little too isolated for starting out (just my impressions). Although I've been to the Keys several times as a tourist, that was a while ago and I wasn't considering living there. So I'd appreciate advice from anyone who is living in the Keys or familiar with the area. What area should I pick as my home base ? |
I need to have a "base" in the sense of that is where my
PO Box is and my car is parked. And I know where to land
the dinghy and how to get to the supermarket and so on.
And where the good anchorages are nearby.
But as I get more and more comfortable with the boat and cruising, I will be ranging farther away from the base. |
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The city of Key West has recently began a mooring area for about 150 boats. The cost will be $150 per month the first year, $250 in year 2 and $325 in year 3. After that the price will rise based on the CPI. Transients will be charged $12 per day. For this price you get the mooring, dinghy dockage and 3 pump outs per month. Though this sounds good on its face, the down side is there will be no more liveaboard or anchorage in the sea plane basin which is now home to lots of boats and liveaboards for FREE! |
I have in front of me a copy of a letter from the Commander, Seventh Coast
Guard District, to the City of Key West about a mooring field, which I
presume to be this one, that states in part:
"Establishing the special anchorage zone places no obligation for mariners to anchor within it. Mariners are free to anchor anywhere in navigable waters where the act of anchoring is not specifically prohibited by federal regulation. Similarly, vessels anchoring within the anchorage zone will not be obligated to use the installed moorings. You may collect a fee from those who choose to use your moorings, but the mariner is entitled to use an anchor at no fee and stay in the anchorage zone an indefinite period. These federal anchorage rights preempt any state or local statutes or regulations which may conflict with them." The letter is dated 21 Nov 1991, on USCG letterhead, and signed: R D Peterson, Captain, U.S. Coast Guard, Chief, Aids to Navigations and Waterways Management Branch, Seventh Coast Guard District, by direction of the District Commander. |
The article that was in the "Keynoter" (the Key West area paper) said that the city had approved a bill which would not allow any anchoring in the sea plane basin, which is the basin that has the new mooring field. There is still anchoring allowed in other areas of Key West, just not that basin. They also stated that liveaboards are allowed on the mooring field, and that those boats that are currently anchored in the basin will have first rights to the mooring field and they will give them extra time, if needed, to get their boats ready to move. The article also mentioned that so far the current residents of the basin had not been in any hurry to sign up for a mooring! |
... Tampa Bay area: Check out the charts. The average wind blow 8 knots ... almost never becalmed and rarely over 20 knots. Annual average temp is 72 degrees. Fog is unusual. There is almost never a day without sunshine. There are more days of better sailing here than anywhere else on the planet (well, just about). There are hundreds of places to sail, and many interesting sailors to swap stories with. I just love it here. |
Tampa Bay area is the best! Lots of hurricane holes. Lots of islands, and we consider ourselves lucky to be able to live in PARADISE! |
As a cruiser who ended the endless voyage in Clearwater, I can tell you that you will enjoy your stay. Clearwater Municipal Marina has a warm welcome waiting. It is about $20 a day for a 34' vessel. South of there is the Belleair Causeway and the docks and boat ramp on the north east corner of it is a perfect anchorage and only a block from a large grocery. I see many cruisers anchored there year round. Do not go to the Madeira City Marina. Bad news and rip offs there. ABC marina on the north west corner of the Tom Stewert causeway is a wonderful quiet marina I can recommend through experience. |
Of the three areas that we have been discussing, I would put Key
Largo on the bottom of the list. The consensus of contributors to your web
page seems to indicate Marathon as best, but I don't know if they understand
your experience level, and your girlfriend's needs/wants.
If you look at your experience level and the first six months to one year that you will have your boat operational, but perhaps not 100% 'ready', my perception is Ft Myers (area), Naples, or Marco - hands down. There are probably too many reasons to list, but a few are: The Atlantic can be extremely unforgiving, and the Atlantic side of the Keys can be very treacherous due to lots of BIG boat traffic combined with small spaces for maneuvering in marinas, etc. The bay side of the Keys can be very deceiving with its shoals, and in the lower Leys, remoteness. You will have a great amount of learning to do. All the little details of learning and running your boat, and dealing with the issues that will come up can be quite overwhelming to newbies; and having the "rudder fall off", as an example, is easier to deal with in the south west gulf than in the Atlantic or in the Keys. Also, your timing is such that you will be starting out near the begining of the summer storm season. On the Gulf side, it's difficult to get more than 30 NM from good protection, either for hurricane or thunderstorm. The southwest Gulf offers a more peaceful and predictable learning area, where you have services available, good easy destinations to sail to, good anchorages to practice in, good marinas, and lots of help, etc. When your boat and experience are up to it, you can do the overnight sail to the Dry Tortugas, where the water is very clear and the diving great. For your girlfriend, starting on the Gulf side will help her decide that this is a good life. And the real estate opportunities are just about unbelievable. Today [1/2001], we visited Naples (errands), and drove to several parts of town that we seldom go to. The amount of new, still under construction, housing that is being built is unbelievable, with whatever pricing level you might want. This is really a nice town. |
I am sorry that I am not well-acquainted with live
aboard anchorages, but I can tell you what I do know.
There is a large live aboard community outside of the Dinner Key Marina in Miami. The community consists of people and families from all walks of life. This is probably the best anchorage in the Miami area and I know that live aboards stay there. It is protected by a few small out islands and is within walking distance of the popular Coconut Grove Historic area. I believe that the anchorage is free, but you will have to check this out. Try contacting the Marina for information. If they don't have it, perhaps they can forward you to the correct dept. I do know that the City of Miami supports a Dinghy dock for live aboards. There is a very small one time fee for this, around $10. The anchorage also has excellent access to South Biscayne Bay (no bridges), an excellent cruising area. ... I have also seen boats anchored near the Pelican Harbor Marina. See Miami-Dade Parks' Marinas. Scroll down to the fourth Marina. You can see boats anchored in the background of the picture. This is not as good a permanent location. If you wish to stay in a marina, Pelican Harbor is probably the most economical in the area. |
The last time I was in Marathon, the dinghy 'landing' was just a canal bank
at a vacant lot that looked like it was being used as a crash place for the
homeless: cardboard boxes that looked like people lived in them, old
shopping carts with more cardboard in them, etc.
One of the reasons that I think the Naples area is better for you during the first year is that fewer big nasties happen to liveaboards in Naples. For the inexperienced, Marathon can be too much. Marathon seems to have an unusually high percentage of people who will do just about anything to pay for just one more day there. Naples is probably better for real estate also. |
... DIRECT ACCESS is a very important term to learn, it does not mean the same
thing in every town out here. On Marco, direct access means that the lowest
bridges are 55 ft mhw, although there are some houses with no bridges in the
way. Some bridges are only about 6 ft mhw. One area of Cape Coral has
direct access with a lock in the way. They also had, probably still do
have, two lifts that move small boats from one canal to another.
... One other term to learn is EXPOSURE (as in northern or southern exposure). In some towns exposure is relative to the front of a house, in others it is relative to the back. On Marco exposure refers to the back of the house, which is where most lanais (patios), pools, and canals are. Snowbirds frequently want west exposure for the winter warmth, while many full-time residents want east exposure to put the lanai in the summer afternoon shade. It's a personal preference thing. ... Another important issue in all Fla. waterfront communities is canal water depth. We found that in every town we looked at, there were realtors who either lied to us, or did not know the real water depth in the canals we were interested in. Actually, the water depth from your dock to the Gulf is what needs to be determined. As an example, 'our' canal is about ten feet deep, but where it joins the Marco River there is a small bar that we must cross. At a really low tide it gets down to about 5 1/2 ft. ... > What is a "lift" to be added to a dock ? Boat lifts are frequently added to private docks to literally lift a boat out of the water for storage. In Cape Coral there are some canals that don't go anywhere, they are 'deadends'. The City operates (or did) a couple of lifts that were designed to lift a boat out of a canal, over the seawall and bank, to another canal. ... Quite a number of people use nav charts to help them decide where to settle. For example, the NOAA 11427 chart shows all the details and distances to get from south (that's where most of the sailboat access is) Cape Coral to the Gulf; an hour or two is common. It shows all of Pine Island Sound, power boat heaven for SW Florida. If you study it you will see that you won't do much sailing in there even though there are some great destinations. It also shows Boca Grande Pass, your main Gulf access if you live in Punta Gorda Isles (PGI is what the locals call it). NOAA 11420, not sure of that number but the title is Havana to Tampa Bay, is a smaller scale chart that lots of people actually hang on their wall for quick reference. This one shows the names of all the passes you might use from Tampa to Key West, but not inshore depths. It also shows that if you live in PGI you won't go for a quickie day-sail in the Gulf; it's seventeen miles away. PGI is at the head of Charlotte Harbor (bay) which is ok for day-sailing if you like very light wind, although it can kick up if a front passes through. This chart also shows the relationship of the cities and the coastal cruising destinations. A glance at this chart will show that Marco Island is just about halfway between Tampa Bay and Key West. Go north from Marco Island and you will see lots of people and marinas, go south and you will see quiet anchorages and fewer people, until you get to Marathon. ... |
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... Marco Island has only two bridges that are sailboat friendly. Both are on the Marco River at 55ft mhw. Punta Gorda Isles has no sailboat friendly bridges. Cape Coral has several bridges that cross the Caloosahatchee River, the lowest is 55ft mhw. Keep in mind though, that if you plan to use the Okeechobee Waterway to cross the state, a 50ft mast is about max. Also, there is a drawbridge at Sanibel that you must pass through to get to Cape Coral, unless you come down the Intercoastal waterway from Boca Grande Pass. ... |
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Area | Apartment 2BR 1BA with A/C cats allowed for rent |
Townhouse 2BR 1BA central AC cats allowed for rent |
Townhouse 3BR 2BA central AC for sale |
House 3BR 2BA min 1200 sqft central AC cats allowed no waterfront for rent |
House 3BR 2BA min 1200 sqft central AC no waterfront for sale |
House 3BR 2BA min 1200 sqft central AC waterfront/dock for sale |
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St Petersburg | $400-$700/month | $70k+ | $60k+ | |||
Cape Coral Fort Myers |
$450-$750/month | $60k+ | $70k+ | |||
Naples | $600-$700/month | $95k+ | $100k+ | |||
Key Largo Big Pine Key |
none | $125k+ | $140k+ | $150k+ | ||
Marathon Key | none | $375k+ | $300k+ |
... In the water-front category, don't trust ANY realtor to know
about alongside water depth, approach depth, or access. I have had some
'interesting' experiences in this area.
Also, there are many water-front townhouses and condos available that do not have docking available for big boats. ... |
[Near Marathon,] the Big Pine area is probably the best area to look for a reasonable priced house with dock. They run in the $200,000 + range Big Pine is about 20 Miles south of Marathon. And I'm told that this area has the best diving in the Keys. |
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