since we don't have that many. we will stay unmoderated unless we get more ppl here. ok. is everyone ready? _Tas_ is ready!!! <_Tas_> :) DrillMstr: *x* status yep X: Channel: #martial has 17 users (6 operators) X: Mode is: +tn X: MassDeopPro: 3 NickFloodPro: 5 FloodPro: 7 X: NoOp: OFF AlwaysOp: ON OpOnly: OFF StrictOp: OFF AutoTopic: OFF X: Default language is: english X: Channel has been idle for 439 seconds ok. please let's get under way Drill, may I suggest that you begin your meeting? we have had complaints that there is not enough martial arts talk in the channel... i would like to know what you all think as to how we are running the channel how can we make it better ? Change prioritys drill - for the most part i enjoy #martial very much its not going to happen. drill:i think the problem is, some times the channel has soo ew people in it, thats martial talk isn't really all that fun You can't force people to talk about something. i think you run the channel fine, but i am not on all that often anymore... i think, that if someone is complaining about there not being enough martial arts talk, all they have to do is mention a topic, or whatever, and everyone is happy to talk about it... the only thing i dont like is when someone seriously disrespects others - and i dont mean just jokin around well Dragon that is what the ops are for to deal with that sort of thing Dragon, the ops are supposed to try and keep that kind of behavior to a minimum yeah sometimes people do act pretty crappy, mostly towards people with styl;es that the other might not think is so good... Not true. There was a time in #Martial when even if there were 5 ppl in channel there was good conversation. We almost never have fewer than 8 i could name some names....hehehe:) i'm on here basicly al the time Taran so your saying MA talk all the time??? alot of the time hteres only me and 1 or 2 others dont get me wrong - i dont want dictatorship - or even ppl kicked - just some warnings on occasion maybe heheh, create a new channel. #nonmartialchat :-) I'm saying this channel was made for the free exchange of MA information and it has turned into this "MA Social Club" i think that if people have topics to talk about in martial arts, they will be talked about, otherwize... if no-one is instigating martial conversations, what do people expect? I'm saying this channel was more popular and more enjoyable when it had a purpose and a future i think the gatheing of martial artest with common inturest is more important then the actualy talk of the arts all the time _Tas_ cheers for brain _Tas_ cheers for timO this is (after all irc) you can't force anyone too doo anything, but if handled correctly, you can do some wonderful things what is wrong with a ma social club Gauz walks up to Tim and shakes his hand :) Mascotte: your the personnel person, how have the numbers been recently compared to 6 months or a year ago? _Tas_ likes ma social, and the topic discussions That isn't what this channel is founded for, that isn't what this channel is about. This is #Martial. This is not #MAsocialclub. This is the Virtual Dojo. The respect shown to each other here should be the respect you would show in a Dojo we get instruction at our classes - and if someone asks a direct question - it is usually answered - if there is not a topic concerning martial arts that put forth for conversation, people arent just gonna sit here and say like: "punch, kick, jointlock", just so they can be talking all martial all the time Taran you saying everyone should be forced to talk MA or get out??? Maybe the problem is that the channel is getting too big and too commercial. ppl have increased uite abit they find it fun to talk in here, and can talk MA when they feel like i dont' think the founding of something should always dictate the future uite = quite ? how can the channel get too commercial? as you all know, i'm not a fan of confusious thought anyway Gauz shakes Tims hand again :) yew - that is true mascotte ys yes - i mean hehe... Gauz, I'm saying that if you're here you should be trying to participate in the conversation. What other reason do you join a chanel but to participate in the conversation? First of all, you should get rid of those annoying automated greetings. Second you should stop the flooding. I think the point of a channel such as this should be pretty clear ... it is a place where people interested in or actively participating in MA , for however long be it 6 months or 16 years can come together and learn from each other I mean, who wants to read the same "blah blha blah bows to blah blah blah" as often as anything good. It sometimes seems like there are more greets and useless crap than actual conversation. it is a unique opportunity, to be able to gain access to such a wide and diverse mixture of MA backgrounds you know, the monks in japan have a saying "he stinks of zen", the greek said to much of a god thing is bad BlakEagle scrolls i think these both apply right, wolfen, .... also, if you go into a channel, say, um #teenchat, you dont expect them to be talking about being a teen all the time, they are there because they have a common bond... err good thing taran - when ppl come on they do participate in the convo - and if they have a question not pertaining to the present convo - they ask - no problem absolutely the wisdom that is imparted through the learning process of MA is usefull in everyday life Mas: There are alot LESS users here now than a year ago. A year ago you could come into this channel every night and have 15 ppl talking MA in channel. rite - brainold - about the bond - !!!!!!! Martman: we are not supposed to be using auto greets anymore. does it mater how many people are here, as long as thoese here are enjoying it yeah - mart - whats the diff in an outo greet - and sayin hello ? good point tim ! Tas cheers for timO Dragonfst: one is highly annoying. to whom - it doesnt bother me ! Dragonfst: thats because YOU are highly annoying:) The difference is, now you can come in here anytime and find a few ppl here talking about nothing related to MA greet ppl personally, the whole room with an alias no big deal understood lemme put it in terms befitting the channel I do feel however that there is alot of "My styles better than your style" biccering goes on and that does get in the way of reasonable conversation Dragonfst roars a mighty TANSU welcome to Taran I mean, what is that shit? the more people the better, the wider "library" of martial arts styles becomes that everyone can access, if some one has a serious question, no one is gonna deny them the answer, or if they have a serious topic, the same applies... I call that annoying. do you wish d do 100 katas once, or one kata 100 times? it is the same as hello ! wax on, tim But yet .... Styles Bickering Does Start Great Convo what is the diff. in that and - so and so bows to whomever mys:waxin away ;) which MANY do I agree With brain not really Black Every night, a year ago, there was good, interesting conversation Dragonfst: exactly, both are annoying. No, it doesn't matter how many ppl are here as long as they are discussion MA i too agree with brain taran:things change, thats ho the universe works taran...believe it or not...i was on here when it first got started 2 years ago...with Kyoshi Dragonfist: if you want to say high to someone, just say hi, don't make everyone suffer by having to watch your lame greeting. it doesnt' mattter if they are talkign amrtrial arts, as long as there is always a williness to disscus the arts Tas is still pondering the 100 katas bit.... it was my first time on IRC and #martial was still strugglin for ppl lol Tas you can't moniter the channel 24/7 lame - is ur opinion - which u have the rite to - as i do mine Tim is Right U cant tim: Kaze can!! ;) a dojo is more then a school were one learns fighting, rght? DrillMstr sets mode: +m ok my:kaze isn;t sentient, he no count now we have some comments out there again ur opinion mart :) DrillMstr sets mode: -v Dragonfst so we have several ppl saying ... that it doesn't matter as long as we meet here in the spirit of M A MA ok so how many of you feel it needs to be all MA (other than Taran)? DrillMstr sets mode: -m i do not nor i But can we agree on what the true spirit of MA is? that's a toughie mart i think it's yes or no now Dont Get into that MartMan it is different to diff ppl and i vote the spirit counts, not the talk Martman: i doubt it. everyone has different beliefs of it BlakEagle: why not? to not disrespect, to openly discuss topics/ideas/questions if they are there.... IMHO it's knowing that nobody's art is better/worse than anybody else's Cause it is a Age Old Debate !!! that hasnt Stopped not i or if you really think so...keep it to yourself!!! ;) tim has a good poing point Mystress: what if you don't believe that though? No i dont agree then pick a fight via msging lol LOL hang on or calmly support your art in the main channel...whatever i wanna join in that fight!!! um, lets ge this vote, then move on I think Tas has the best option lol um me? so how many of you feel it needs to be all MA (other than Taran)? I agree With Tas !!! I do It should be all MA. me? :) not me!!! nor i not me it's an MA channel, anyway... Bottom line: In my opinion we need to go back to our "roots" as it were. Go back to what made this channel great. If you want an MA social club, find a new channel. isn' isn't that good enuff? Gwydion nods, yep, most ppl don't agree with me on that anymore. so this is not #masocial, nor is it#strictlyMAtalkonlynothingelse :) lol happy medium!!! so Taran, when you go to train, you do not talk to the other students ? Gwydion: I agree with you. so it is social have certain time slots for dead serious MA discussion...other random times for random talk If you want to talk non-ma why not take it private? you just go in there, only MA is done and talked about and you get out? Unless people here don't know how to /msg or /dcc chat look how many ppl met here tonight for THIS discussion So, drill, when you go to train, do you JUST talk to the other students? we all forgetting something here I think that this should be a place where ppl can come and ask questions... get oppinions.... talk about the arts... but i dont think it should be strictly MA... This Use to be a place fun to come too... a place where anyone was welcome... whether they studied or not.... I have NO idea what happend DrillMstr: do you talk loud enough for everyone in your class to hear when you socialize at your school? to not disrespect, to openly discuss topics/ideas/questions if they are there....? MA is Part of Everything in Our Lives!! amen, whitiger no i don't. i believe there is a time for serious ma talk and a time for friendship i think there needs to be shades of grey, not black and white DrillMstr: what it comes down to is that people not involved in a social conversation shouldnt' have to put up with listenting to others discuss their sex life:) thank you Mystress!!!! if someone wants to talk ma now all they have to do is begin the conversation Mystress has no sex life, so she's excused!!! ;) sex has no place in the arts and others will follow (snicke snicker) poor myst :) drill:right! I mean, most conversations here aren't too enlightening to most people in the way of MA. Drill: But how often is the conversation here like it was in the Glory Days of #Martial? Tas cheers for drill Most conversation isn't even relevant to most people on the channel. Gwydion: how far back are you thinking? Mystress was here in the "glory days" of #martial gwy:what glory days, wy onyl look to the past mmmm, Mikes Hard Lemonade. heheh. 2 years ago...we still had light-hearted talk, too Mystress: I was on #kungfu back then:) Mystress: efnet #kungfu. Yes, but now we are luck to still have MA talk when we have a lot of ppl here that have been here for a long time ma talk will be down because there is only so much of anything that anyone can talk about continuously isnt MA a way of life????? gotcha...#aikido is another haunt o' mine Gwydion: no doubt..If I want to hear how some stranger's day has been I'll go join #chat. so does that mean all i do is MA all day long all life??? if you want ma talk all the time then we have to start kicking out oldtimers and getting fresh blood in here gauz:in a way, i supose and i don't think that is what anyone wants what about sharing stories about MA? like "A funny thing happened on the way to the dojo...?" is that too unserious??? I agree Drill....... i said that beofore Gauz!!!!!!!!!!!1 Yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mystress: if its related to MA, fine. Mystress: but I see no need for irrelevant useless chatter. Drill, not so, I'm an "Old Timer" and it seems to me some of the new blood needs to be kicked out if you want Serious MA talk when someone new comes in I for one try to talk ma with them who's to decide what's irrelevant and useless? I feel this has reached a conclusion ... anyone got a topic / question Great Point Mys!!! Gwydion: YEAH! All I'm saying is if you are here, you should want to talk about something at least REMOTELY related to MA do we need to establish definite ma talk periods? <[magnum}> We have to be open to talk of our lives, it will always come around to MA, MA is not hockey it is a way of life. when someone new - to me - comes on i always ask what ma they are into no Drill Gwydion: yep, you've got it. i think that talking about blisters on my feet from the rug at the dojo is relevant sometimes...whaddya think about THAT? It is !!! if ma conversation insues there after - great !!! no drill my:i goot terrible blisters when i ffirst started Mag and Gauz and me are the only ones with our heads screwed on right now :P no laws taran we should all be here because of that but there is more to it than MA MA MA seee....convo starter!!! ;) this is a place where contacts can be made no mater what you say, you can't always moderate this channel no definite times, we can't cos of time zones Drill, sure there is more than MA, but for that you have MSG windows and other channels. If this is a MA channel, it should be about MA chat. right on Tim hehehe thanc blak This is a channel about Martial Arts, if you don't want to discuss that, no one is telling you to be here but we can try to keep talk re MA in peak times MA IS A WAY OF LIFE THOU err.thanx taran, then if we only talk ma... I don't come here to hear or chat about non-MA stuff. Theres a thousand other channels I can go to for that. if the only thing we say in channel is MA... i dont; get kciked out of the dojo once class is over What's this talk about times? "All day everyday..#Martial" as I recall <[magnum}> Gwn what is MA chat, how do you narrow it down, I see MA as a way of life, all I do is around MA. do you think all they talk about in the white house is government??? no sometimes they talk about sports, love, etc...or else they would go CRAZY... then nothing will be said after a while because ppl will be in other channels being friendly i though martial arts wa a way to expand your horizns, not dwel on one thing agreed mystr !!! true drill Exactly Mag! BlakEagle Nods at Magnum!! yes drill and if nothing is said for long periods then ppl will begin to leave i agree hmmmmmmmmmm.........isnt the internet one of the last safe havens of freedom of speech????? hey mag ... we are bringing them to our side!! <[magnum}> Gauz, way to go..... mag...MA is a high priority in my life, too...just b/c sometimes i talk about other things doesn't mean i take it less seriously than you i note in the afternoon, me and one other might be hee, the talk is what ever we decid yes it is gauz right on GAuz!!!!! your side blak?.... which was that again? Who said you can't be friendly? Are we not friendly and respectful in the Dojo? DOn't you make friends there and 99% of the time involved in MA lol tas i make freinds everywhere, dojo or not good for you tim! the one that says Ma is a Way of Life! Tas cheers for timO good lord you take away peoples freedom to speak about whatever they want and you've screwed one of your greatest god given freedoms i also have other inturest other then karate, i'm not an otau of martial arts Wahhoooo wow, Gauz...you sound like a made-for-TV movie!!! Gauz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and ppl will leave the channel - for more democratic waters otaku i mean <[magnum}> this is why we can not limit our talk to just forms or any one aspect of MA, there are so many things that involve MA, my job is involved in MA. :P and that will be sad...don't wanna do that if everyone is away in msg land then newcomers come in - are ignored - then leave, never to return :-) true drill GAUZ - u are correct !! good point Drill if they see comeraderie happening then they will want to be a part of it nod drill, good point absolutely Drill This is a good chance to vent frustrations. yep Thats about it, I don't think anything will come of this meeting. nothing worse than a silent channel also, if all you talk is martial arts, that could turn some people of to the arts, thinking all artest ae compulsicve and egotisitcal Tas cheers for drill :) why don't we make an effort to stay on topic (with helpful hints from ops) and see how it goes from there? I have invited friends from other servers to the channel.... and have been sorely dissapointed when they are ignored when I am not around... and critisized for what they study..... Martman: sometimes it is good to vent. this is the first time we have tried this openness if everyone in the channel happens to me easy-going..the mood can do the same..and vice versa Tas cheers for myst All I'm saying is that if you come into channel and you're seeing ppl talk about nothing it's bullsh|t. You come into channel and you see talk about ANYTHING even remotely related to MA it's on the right track I agree With Mys!!!! <[magnum}> As for new comers, often they will feel more like asking questions if weare open to all talk, so they learn, we don't stiffel them..... go mag :) lol The channel is TOO easy going as it is today. There is a HUGE lack of respect compared to a year ago. gee wiz that's why we try to include newcomers into the convo by asking what style and such Mystress stiffens her upper lip i respect you Gwydion :) there is a saying "LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!" Gwydion: indeed!! why is the past such a big thing, it's gone look to the future <[magnum}> maybe they feel a little shy about asking something, if we are so uptight they will never ask, and then never know. Tas: Ditto :) where is this huge lack of respect? and NEVER IN THE PAST Gwydion: I think only users more than 1 or 2 years old can understand these things. lack of respect for whom? confusious was wrong, ok, move on DrillMstr sets mode: +m ok so here is what i see the MAJORITY saying... keep it the way it is but try to talk more about MA but not ALL MA the major lack of respect I've seen isn't in fooling around, but in style bashing, which isn;t always clear to a newcomer whether it's all in joke or not here's what i have to say about the opposing side of that... <[magnum}> Mascotte, well done. if you aren't happy with the way the conversation is going... then turn the convo back towards M a MA now i would like to see everyone who comes here find what they are looking for in #martial but... you get out of it what you put into it if you put MA in you get MA out if you put friendliness in you get friendliness out if you put both in you get both out next subject is management the former owner of the channel who founded the channel left in February. He turned it over to me. He now wants it back. what is everyone' everyone's thoughts on this? <[magnum}> I stand with Drill. are we doing a good job for the most part? how can we make it better ? am i doing a poor job and do i need to turn it back to him or to someone else? X sets mode: +o Gwydion (going unmoderated) DrillMstr sets mode: -m Who was the former owner? I thin the cannel belongs to everyone who is here, no one persn "owns it", cause it's a virtual place, but managment wise, yes, we've donefine, and i think the people high up in managment are doing fine to Drill you're doing fine Gwydion sets mode: -o Gwydion Kyoshi i think u are doing a good jop drill - no one can please all Kyoshi, Guro, Kaijin Kyoshi...hmmm. Oh yeah! I remember him:) Well, I really don't care about it. I think DrillMstr does as good a job as anyone. But we Need a Reg Owner Guys ... undernet Demands it I dont Know the Old One ... Personally, I feel the channel has changed tremendously since Guro left. For the worse, imho Sooooo I say Stick with DrillMstr!!!!!!!!! ... U have done a Good Job Mate ... Congrads! why can't Drill and Rick run the channel??? is this america or what??? Gydion: hmmm.. no it isn't I don't htink the problem is with DrillMstr, its with the other new ops. THe wrong people have gotten ops. This was Guro's channel, aways has been, aways will be. If he wants to come back there should be no arguement That isnt the question he is putting at us thou Martman!!! :) we need a Reg Owner!! when was the last time tis guru was here And I say Leave it as it is!! Tim: Last weekend hands up for drill.... make the old one a high level Op and thats it gwyd:has he been doing as much work as drill i'd rather not see this channel split...like some civil war...we're better than that Tas raises both hands and a foot BlakEagle: well if its his responsibility that these people received ops, so therefore if thats the case maybe we should have Guro back. Tim: Actually, I think he's been doing more work than Drill To true Mys! what about compromise?? gwy:lately? i have neever seen him on Along with other things, I think I would rather have Guro back. This channel ran very, very well with Rick running it. It seems to have backed up since then Yes Tim Then you really don't know what you're talking about do you Tim? gwy:no, i do, and i don't remebr insulting you ether <[magnum}> Gwndion, I belive Tim does, and Drill is doing a very good job, if not we would have such a good MA channel. As soon as you start handing out ops to people who kiss ass, the channel goes down the tubes. i think i need to use a four leter word, stop Rick always did well by this channel. He founded it, he ran it well. Since he left, alot of ppl that should have not been given Opz have been given Opz and the channel is falling apart. gwyd:it's doign fine, i'm here everyday, no problems Mag: We had a far better MA channel before Rick left. This is just a shell of the channel it was. gwyd - and u are all knowing about who should be an op !?!? okay Tim!!! I liek this channel go tim I think drill (altho i admitt i dunno what he does) is doing great I say it stays as it Is!!! i again stand with drill Tas cheers for drill to stay :) Dragon, I'm stating my opinions Gwydion is your problem the fact that you don't have ops? <[magnum}> why do you call it a shell, explain? Dragonfst: stop kissing ass so you can get ops. Wolfen, I am an Op, alright? i dont want ops i thnk somepeopel look to the past, i prefer the future Dragonfst: its because of individuals like you that this channel is like shit.